• Quick note - the problem with Youtube videos not embedding on the forum appears to have been fixed, thanks to ZiprHead. If you do still see problems let me know.

Why not war against Islam?

Taarkin said:
It may be worth noting that the atrocities in Iraq and Indonesia were carried out with the approval and diplomatic/material support of prominent Christians in the West.
Click to expand...
They had US made weapons and US military training.
The people at the top in the US are not Christian.
 
Dayan81 said:
If Jesus son of Joseph returns to Earth someday and learns about the many horrors committed in his name, he would surely crucify himself out of depression & suicidal desires.
Click to expand...
He might instead pick up a cross and whack a few heads.

bikerdruid:

No, the Emperor Constantine did not invent Christianity. He did seem to be the first to use the labrum, however.

His most significant contribution was to decriminalize Christianity (permit it to be an officially recognized religion) since the sect/cult already in existence in various bits of his empire for around three centuries.

IIRC, it was in 380ish, the edict of Thessalonica, that turned the (Theodosius???) Christian religion into the official religion of his realm. He wished for all of his people to adopt the faith of the bishops of Rome and Alexandria.

That was a Huge Change, given that for about three hundred years, it was a religion/sect out of the mainstream. He looks to have mainstreamed it by imperial fiat.

Of interest, the estimates I've read of about 10% of the population of the Roman Empire at the time being Christian are probably in dispute, but also probably in the right ball park.

In re the 20th century as the sole basis for analysis ... given the loss of the caliphate via WW I, that's a curious question to ask.
 
Last edited:
Dayan81 said:
The fact that the entire Muslim world has not declared a unified war against the West is a remarkable testament to their tolerance of being invaded & colonized and their ability to let the past stay in the past.
Click to expand...

They don't because they can't. With a combined Arab GDP less than Spain their attempt would be pretty pathetic.

Besides they're too busy fighting each other and their own corrupt, incompetent governments.
 
Last edited:
Virus said:
They don't because they can't. With a combined Arab GDP less than Spain their attempt would be pretty pathetic.
Click to expand...


Conversely, the United States can dominate and occupy a country.

But to what end?

As we've seen in both Iraq and Afghanistan, simply being able to defeat an army hasn't solved the social and political problems of those nations.
 
citizenzen said:
Conversely, the United States can dominate and occupy a country.

But to what end?

As we've seen in both Iraq and Afghanistan, simply being able to defeat an army hasn't solved the social and political problems of those nations.
Click to expand...

Because the social and political problems in those countries are rooted in a culture that goes back thousands of years.

They are doing a hell of a lot better than they were under Saddam and the Taliban though.
 
Ethnikos said:
They had US made weapons and US military training.
The people at the top in the US are not Christian.
Click to expand...

By who's definition?

If they regularly go to Church and claim to be Christian, as far as we can humanely tell they are indeed Christians. Only "God" knows what is truly in their hearts and neither I nor you are God.
 
Bill Thompson said:
I don't know, man, there are connected pages from the main page that are well written gold. One can link to those pages. Let me see if I can find an example...

By the way, I had to read your comment twice to see that you were talking about the web site.

Here is a good page there
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Myths-of-Islam.htm

By the way, idiots here on Randi's form have used the "Islam and the Golden Age of Scientific Discovery" bull myth in support of Islam.
Click to expand...

I actually like invoking the Islamic contribution to science as a means to excite interest in science in the Muslim world. Science has a well established tendency to secularize. Over all a more secularized Muslim population is a good thing.
 
One could argue that the West has been waging a war against Islam since 1914. One could also wonder what the economic & political state of the Muslim & Arab world would be had the Christian West not been soo damned greedy, colonialist & interventionalist.

"Now, the Crusades are over" -General Edmund Allenby upon his entering Jerusalem

http://www.lonelyplanet.com/israel-and-the-palestinian-territories/history#277097
 
Last edited:
Ethnikos said:
They had US made weapons and US military training.
The people at the top in the US are not Christian.
Click to expand...

Saddam's main arms supplier was Russia, not the USA. His army was never trained by America. The Indonesian army was also not trained by the US.
 
Dayan81 said:
One could argue that the West has been waging a war against Islam since 1914. One could also wonder what the economic & political state of the Muslim & Arab world would be had the Christian West not been soo damned greedy, colonialist & interventionalist.
Click to expand...

Go back much further to 711 with the Muslim conquest of Spain. If it wasn't for Charles Martel and his "wall of ice" they would have taken France too.



Europe had the Reformation, Renaissance, Enlightenment and the scientific revolution. The Muslims didn't and stagnated. By the time Napoleon invaded Egypt in 1798 it was from a position of absolute, total cultural supremacy.
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.

Back
Top Bottom