Why not war against Islam?

[Virus]

Why not a war on Islam? How about because of this. There should be no war against Islam because they already lost the war almost 10 years ago on 9-11.

Taking the long view of history, I would argue they lost the clash of civilizations at Vienna. Post-9/11 was a slap for drawing us into their tribal conflicts. If the West wanted to, we could just cut off their handouts, recall our technocrats and their society would utterly collapse. Wouldn't even have to fire a shot.

 

[Ethnikos]

A fantastic point.
So a five year old should be able to tell that it is wrong to wage war on a group of people simply because one thinks they might be planning to wage war on your own group.

According to the rationale of the US for its wars, NAZI Germany was right to go into Poland. Then, later, to go into Russia.

 

[caniswalensis]

According to the rationale of the US for its wars, NAZI Germany was right to go into Poland. Then, later, to go into Russia.

Hi Ethnikos,

Cool name & avatar.

I don't see how this is connected to what I have said in the post you quoted, but if you are serious about what you are saying, please take the time to provide an explanation for it.

You have made a bare assertion there, which is fine and we all do it, but I tend to disagree and your rather broad assertion does not convince me by itself.

For one thing, I am not aware of a single rationale for all U.S. wars.

Regards, Canis

 

[Ethnikos]

For one thing, I am not aware of a single rationale for all U.S. wars.

Fight them over there instead of waiting for them to come here.

 

[Dayan81]

Fight them over there instead of waiting for them to come here.

And this logic should be used to justify declaring war against all Muslim nations?

The fact is that throughout the last century Christian nations have been invading Muslim nations for treasure, resources & global influence. These actions have changed & shaped the Muslim world and are in many ways responsible for the Muslim world that exists today & many of the threats that we not face from them.

So the real question isn't "Why not war against Islam?" but "Why not war against Christianity?"

The fact that the entire Muslim world has not declared a unified war against the West is a remarkable testament to their tolerance of being invaded & colonized and their ability to let the past stay in the past.

 

[Ethnikos]

And this logic should be used to justify declaring war against all Muslim nations?

I am against every single foreign adventure the US is currently involved in or are planning.
I was quoting the US rationale for war.

 

[Arcade22]

ABB's actions don't count because he's "not excessively religious", but the Ottomans in charge of the genocide were?

Yes, because apparently if a Muslim or Muslims kill, rape, pillage, commit terrorist attacks, invade countries, commit genocide and so on they are apparently doing it explicitly because they are Muslims and the fact that they are Muslims is always relevant information. However when Christians kill, rape, pillage, commit terrorist attacks, invade countries and commit genocide the fact that they are Christian is totally unimportant and superfluous information that is only used 'by bigots who want bash the poor Christians'.

 

[caniswalensis]

Fight them over there instead of waiting for them to come here.

I think it is fair to say this is a vast oversimplfication of the rational behind the various wars that the U.S. has fought.

Also, I am not really interested in debating the east vs. west bug that is going on in this thread. All my comments have been about the moralaity of waging war against a group of people based on their mode of thinking.

 

[I Ratant]

I don't know, man, there are connected pages from the main page that are well written gold. One can link to those pages. Let me see if I can find an example...

By the way, I had to read your comment twice to see that you were talking about the web site.

Here is a good page there
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Myths-of-Islam.htm

By the way, idiots here on Randi's form have used the "Islam and the Golden Age of Scientific Discovery" bull myth in support of Islam.

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Bernard Lewis "What Went Wrong" is the acclaimed history of Islam, and its successes and failures when confronting the West.
And Islam scholars were (there are no more) were the leaders in thinking at Islam's greatest power.
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(The message numbers here are in -Arabic- numbers!)

 

[Leumas]

The fact that the entire Muslim world has not declared a unified war against the West is a remarkable testament to their tolerance of being invaded & colonized and their ability to let the past stay in the past.

I think it is more of a testament to how NON-COHESIVE they are and that invading one moslim country is no skin of the back of another and that they are no longer (or ever were in my opinion) a homogenous force that would in any way be able to mount a united front.

They are incapable of being any threat as one entity nor as a military or economic force.

The fundamentalist christians are creating a BOOGEY MAN for their agendas.

Also why is it that fundamentalist christians are so worried about the so-called islamic threat. Isn't that what they are hoping for...the Antichrist to rule the world so as to usher in the second coming. Should they not be welcoming the antichrist?

Read this moronic document....it explains it all from the fundamentalist christians’ point of view.

ETA: here is a short summary of the above rubbish.

 

[bikerdruid]

By the way, idiots here on Randi's form have used the "Islam and the Golden Age of Scientific Discovery" bull myth in support of Islam.

bull.
muslims have named the vast majority of visible stars in the sky.
do you use arabic numbers in your math?........yes, you do.

 

[Taarkin]

It may be worth noting that the atrocities in Iraq and Indonesia were carried out with the approval and diplomatic/material support of prominent Christians in the West.

 

[Dayan81]

...The fundamentalist christians are creating a BOOGEY MAN for their agendas....

Constantly railing against the imaginary threat of the Islamization of North America is a fabulous way to divert attention from the sexual-abuse scandal in the RCC and the almost monthly revelation of another homophobic preacher or GOP politician turning out to be gay.

And even if there were no crisis within Christendom, creating a common-enemy is a sure-fire way to unite the people. It worked quite well for Hitler.

 

[Leumas]

Constantly railing against the imaginary threat of the Islamization of North America is a fabulous way to divert attention from the sexual-abuse scandal in the RCC and the almost monthly revelation of another homophobic preacher or GOP politician turning out to be gay.

And even if there were no crisis within Christendom, creating a common-enemy is a sure-fire way to unite the people. It worked quite well for Hitler.

Instilling fear has been the modus operandi of Christianity from its inception (hell etc.).

Sometimes self-fulfilling "prophecies" have worked for them.

It is a testament to their PAGAN origins. In Greek mythology there are ENDLESS stories of how the foretelling of an Oracle "prophecy" actually LEAD TO the fulfilling of the foretold events and had it not been for the PREEMPTIVE actions taken to FORESTALL the foretold disaster the disaster would have never taken place.

So maybe that is what they are doing...... foretelling and hoping that the frightened preemptive reactions taken to stave off the boogey man would in fact provoke the man to become a boogie even though he was never one….then they would jump up and say…”see we told you we were right all along”.

 

[bikerdruid]

It may be worth noting that the atrocities in Iraq and Indonesia were carried out with the approval and diplomatic/material support of prominent Christians in the West.

it is also worth mentioning that christians are the original anti-semites.
getting the world to believe that it was the jews killed jesu,s and not the romans, is one of the early church's greatest coups.

 

[Leumas]

bull.
muslims have named the vast majority of visible stars in the sky.
do you use arabic numbers in your math?........yes, you do.

Ah…But from the Christian fundamentalist viewpoint they also gave us the DARNED ALGEBRA..... if it were not for that damned moslim Al-Gebra most fundamentalist christians might have been able to pass math....it is a moslim conspiracy I tell you.

And don't forget AL-Chemistry he was the reason we now have good medicine that rescinds holy water.

 

[DC]

Instilling fear has been the modus operandi of Christianity from its inception (hell etc.).

Sometimes self-fulfilling "prophecies" have worked for them.

It is a testament to their PAGAN origins. In Greek mythology there are ENDLESS stories of how the foretelling of an Oracle "prophecy" actually LEAD TO the fulfilling of the foretold events and had it not been for the PREEMPTIVE actions taken to FORESTALL the foretold disaster the disaster would have never taken place.

So maybe that is what they are doing...... foretelling and hoping that the frightened preemptive reactions taken to stave off the boogey man would in fact provoke the man to become a boogie even though he was never one….then they would jump up and say…”see we told you we were right all along”.

i would say of all Abrahamic fairytales.

 

[bikerdruid]

Ah…But from the Christian fundamentalist viewpoint they also gave us the DARNED ALGEBRA..... if it were not for that damned moslim Al-Gebra most fundamentalist christians might have been able to pass math....it is a moslim conspiracy I tell you.

And don't forget AL-Chemistry he was the reason we now have good medicine that rescinds holy water.

thanks for further clarification.

 

[Taarkin]

Ah…But from the Christian fundamentalist viewpoint they also gave us the DARNED ALGEBRA..... if it were not for that damned moslim Al-Gebra most fundamentalist christians might have been able to pass math....it is a moslim conspiracy I tell you.

And don't forget AL-Chemistry he was the reason we now have good medicine that rescinds holy water.

Al-Quaeda + Al-Jazeera = Al-I need to know.
(this equation composed with the help of al-gebra. I took the joke from someone else, so I suppose I owe him al-imony)

 

[tsig]

Constantly railing against the imaginary threat of the Islamization of North America is a fabulous way to divert attention from the sexual-abuse scandal in the RCC and the almost monthly revelation of another homophobic preacher or GOP politician turning out to be gay.

And even if there were no crisis within Christendom, creating a common-enemy is a sure-fire way to unite the people. It worked quite well for Hitler.

Oh noes, he didn't.