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Why not war against Islam?

DC said:
amazing how you know exactly how Islam has to be interpreted, and amazingly it seems you agree with the extremists and only their view is the real view.
it all starts over again, we are back at page one of this thread, and you have learned absolutely nothing at all. you keep your paranoid views upright and just repeat the false claims.

and still, by your definition we are at war with all religions.
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If you want to fight Christianity and NOT fight Islam, go for it. I prefer fighting what is a direct threat to me and my family.

The idea that every religion has extremists is a nice and fuzzy idea. To bad this too is just a little tidbit that has no point. What is your point?

Was Theo Van Gogh killed by a false claim?

Is the death threat on Rushdie a false claim?

And how come you do not answer my questions?

Do you think Islam does more good than harm? Ibn Waraq would disagree. Are you right and he is an uninformed dolt? How many books have YOU written on this subject? How many people on Amazon post comments that he is off his rocker? How many people say he is spot right on?
 
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ANTPogo said:
So, you enjoy coming into threads about topics you know nothing about and want to know nothing about just to toss about random and laughably inaccurate insults at the people who happen to know a hell of a lot more than you about pretty much everything relating to the subject as it applies to both Islam and Christianity alike?

Well, everyone needs a hobby, I suppose.
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As usual, your rote re-statement of my statement is bogus. I'm afraid I must insist that my statement remain my statement, rather than your bogus statement be substituted for my statement. If you don't mind.

In addition, I must insist that my criticisms of some posts have been on the money, from my POV - a POV uncluttered by meaningless, tedious little details of bogus, repeatedly and thoroughly debunked belief systems.
 
Bill Thompson said:
If you want to fight Christianity and NOT fight Islam, go for it. I prefer fighting what is a direct threat to me and my family.

The idea that every religion has extremists is a nice and fuzzy idea. To bad this too is just a little tidbit that has no point. What is your point?

Was Theo Van Gogh killed by a false claim?

Is the death threat on Rushdie a false claim?

And how come you do not answer my questions?

Do you think Islam does more good than harm? Ibn Waraq would disagree. Are you right and he is an uninformed dolt? How many books have YOU written on this subject? How many people on Amazon post comments that he is off his rocker? How many people say he is spot right on?
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Heil Bob,

A guy like you who hated Islam so much and thought it was a danger to his society recently ended up killing 90 Christian children and he thought he was doing the right thing

Bigots and zealots are often dangerous more to their own society than to the object of their hate.

History attest to the fact that people of your ilk are just as much of a clear and present danger as the people you are trying to convince us are.

An example (other than Hitler) in history is British Queen Boudica’s uprising against the Romans.
 
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Bill Thompson said:
Once again, what the hell is your point?

wow. did you read the list of grievances against islam that you posted?
* Critical Thinking
* Logic..................................all four of these points are equally at
* Reason............................danger from christian fundamentalists and
* Understanding Logical Fallacies.......their zeal to **** up education.
* Sagan's Balooney Detection Kit huh?
* Occam's Razor
* Science
* Human Rights......................moral dictating from the christian right
* Homosexual Rights.....................is certainly looking to curtail all rights
* Woman's RIghts........................including the woman's right to control her body.


A good friend of mine lost her niece, the youngest victim of 9-11. Are you saying that the tea party members go around killing babies? Are new American Christian fundamentalists treating to kill you personally for no logical reason?

the post i was commenting upon never talked about killing babies.

Do you support free speech and freedom of expression? Do you support how Muslims expressed themselves towards Theo Van Gogh?

do you support how christians harrass grieving families and queers?

Are these other religious groups threatening to kill you just because you exercise your free speech?

christians whackos are strongly working to do this to queers in africa.

Your world view is not the real world. You would rather be blind than miserable. I would perfer not to be blind.
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wow.

see above.
 
Leumas said:
Heil Bob,

A guy like you who hated Islam so much and thought it was a danger to his society recently ended up killing 90 Christian children and he thought he was doing the right thing

Bigots and zealots are often dangerous more to their own society than to the object of their hate.

History attest to the fact that people of your ilk are just as much of a clear and present danger as the people you are trying to convince us are.

An example (other than Hitler) in history is British Queen Boudica’s uprising against the Romans.
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"Does switching to Gieko save you 15% or more on car insurance? <<Pause>> Does Leumas make non sequitur posts on the Internet?"

I can pick historic examples to support what I think as well. But notice you ignore my questions.

Were Americans bigots to go to war with the Japanese in the 1940's?

Do I advocate violence? We can be at war with, for example, cancer. Does that mean we are gunning down cancer patients?


What you are saying does not follow. Cherry picking similar ideas to paint a picture of what you want to convey does not show you really know what you are talking about. By the way, you still don't answer my questions. Answer a few. Give it a shot.

Let me ask you something new. I wonder if you will ignore this as well. Do you believe that, for the most part, if we are tolerant and forgiving of Muslim, they will respond in kind towards us?
 
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Bill Thompson said:
If you want to fight Christianity and NOT fight Islam, go for it. I prefer fighting what is a direct threat to me and my family.
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If you live anywhere in America, then Christianity is far more of a direct threat to you and your family than Islam will ever be.

Politicians make lots of noise about passing laws to prevent the implementation of shariah, and yet I actually live in a locale that has a number of laws put in place for explicitly Christian reasons. One local politician was even quoted in the paper here saying that he was going to vote down an easing of some of those religious restrictions because local pastors had told him not to after they talked.

Do you think Islam does more good than harm? Ibn Waraq would disagree.
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If Ibn Warraq's laughably execrable "critique" of Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf is in any way typical of his work, he's either the worst researcher ever, or not above twisting, distorting, or even outright lying about things in order to suit his claims.

Are you right and he is an uninformed dolt? How many books have YOU written on this subject?
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How many have you read on this subject is a better question. Though I can tell you that I've written far fewer books than, say, Jerome Corsi. He even has a PhD! And yet that doesn't stop him from being a kooky loon whose entire output of written work on the subject of Birtherism is so facepalmingly stupid that to call it "retarded" would be a severe insult to the mentally disabled.

So I'd be careful about touting the number of books written by people who seem to have trouble getting their facts accurate as any kind of guide to the correctness (or lack thereof) of their theses.

How many people on Amazon post comments that he is off his rocker? How many people say he is spot right on?
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Yes, you can always tell how right a person is by how many people post internet comments supporting him. Sheesh.
 
Toontown said:
As usual, your rote re-statement of my statement is bogus. I'm afraid I must insist that my statement remain my statement, rather than your bogus statement be substituted for my statement. If you don't mind.
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People reading this thread are always more than welcome to click the little icon next to your name in the quoted bit in my post.

In addition, I must insist that my criticisms of some posts have been on the money, from my POV - a POV uncluttered by meaningless, tedious little details of bogus, repeatedly and thoroughly debunked belief systems.
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"I know my criticisms are dead on because I don't know a single dang thing about the topic and I flat-out refuse to remedy my ignorance!"

Certainly a unique debating technique, I must say.
 
ANTPogo said:
If you live anywhere in America, then Christianity is far more of a direct threat to you and your family than Islam will ever be.
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Uh Huh.

I never had a christian threaten to kill me and rape my family just for questioning their religion. I have had several muslims online do this directly towards me personally. "clearninghouse.infovlad" was a web forum that the web master had to shut down because of the rage I and my cousin sturred up just by asking questions.

So, anyway, your post here is a lie.

I am sure I have angered a lot of Mormons. None ever threatened to kill me.
 
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Bill Thompson said:
Uh Huh.

I never had a christian threaten to kill me and rape my family just for questioning their religion.
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You must just be lucky, since threats and wishes of death and other terrible fates are fairly common from Christians online. There's even an entire website dedicated to archiving the things they post, including those threats.

I have had several muslims online do this directly towards me personally.
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Oh, I totally believe you when you say this.

Really.

EDIT: Clearinghouse.infovlad, huh? You wouldn't be the "Bill" talked about in this blog entry, would you? Because if so, that would be hilarious.

EDIT AGAIN: Darn, possibly not, since it seems you mentioned here once that there was another poster there named Bill who wasn't you.
 
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You people post a lot of crazy assumptions about me.

http://clearinghouse.infovlad.net/ was a forum were people discussed Islam. It was shut down because of all the violent death threads I and my relatives were getting just for questioning islam.

They were not responding to like minded posts from me either.
 
ANTPogo said:
You must just be lucky, since threats and wishes of death and other terrible fates are fairly common from Christians online. There's even an entire website dedicated to archiving the things they post, including those threats.
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OK, show me.

But what is YOUR point that you can say similar things about christianity? Does this make Islam good?
 
Bill Thompson said:
Uh Huh.

I never had a christian threaten to kill me and rape my family just for questioning their religion. I have had several muslims online do this directly towards me personally. "clearninghouse.infovlad" was a web forum that the web master had to shut down because of the rage I and my cousin sturred up just by asking questions.

So, anyway, your post here is a lie.

I am sure I have angered a lot of Mormons. None ever threatened to kill me.
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Yup, your christian charity for ya Bill
 
ANTPogo said:
Yo
EDIT: Clearinghouse.infovlad, huh? You wouldn't be the "Bill" talked about in this blog entry, would you? Because if so, that would be hilarious.

EDIT AGAIN: Darn, possibly not, since it seems you mentioned here once that there was another poster there named Bill who wasn't you.
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No, I did not make any posts with the name "Bill".
 
Lowpro said:
Yup, your christian charity for ya Bill
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Do you think Muslism would be compassionate and understanding of abortion rights?

What is your point?

So what if there are is a group called "Army Of God" do you think they are part of mainstream Christianity?

Wait a second. Do you think mainstream christian churches fund these guys?

Do you think mainstream islamic masques do NOT fund terrorism?

And what is your point? Are you saying since Christianity is bad Islam is good? A child knows two wrongs do not make a right.

Is it too much to hope that you will answer my questions?

Something else: the post your responded to does not mention charities.
 
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ANTPogo said:
People reading this thread are always more than welcome to click the little icon next to your name in the quoted bit in my post..
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Good. Then we agree that my posts are a less bogus representation of my posts than your re-statements of my posts.

ANTPogo said:
"I know my criticisms are dead on because I don't know a single dang thing about the topic and I flat-out refuse to remedy my ignorance!"

Certainly a unique debating technique, I must say.
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None of my criticisms were even remotely related to any of the meaningless, tedious details of a belief system of which I may not know each and every tedious detail - which is impossible in any case, since various believers believe differently on various tedious details. So, once again, your re-statement of my statement is bogus.
 
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No no no we got something here Bill:

I never had a christian threaten to kill me and rape my family just for questioning their religion. I have had several muslims online do this directly towards me personally. "clearninghouse.infovlad" was a web forum that the web master had to shut down because of the rage I and my cousin sturred up just by asking questions.
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Oh this is nice here's Christian Charity to atheists in Twitter:



 
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