Why Elizabeth Warren doesn't need to take a DNA test

[BobTheCoward]

To take this to reductio ad absurdum, you would be willing to jump through 15 flaming hoops and then swim a mile in manure if your political detractors claimed that you had to to prove you really believed in your stated position?

That assumes I thought highly of myself. I regularly say I hate only one person in this world, and his name is [bobthecoward].

So I wouldn't do that, but I'm also a piece of human garbage, so it is consistent.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

People should never be compelled to take a DNA-test: we might as well bring back Aryan Certificates.
If Warren feels like doing a test, and then feels like sharing the results, that would be entirely up to her.

 

[LSSBB]

If they staked thelr position as that, absolutely.

And what exactly does "staked their position on it" mean? Is Elizabeth Warren in the position she is in because of what her DNA test shows? Or is it because of what her family told her growing up? When she made her claims with regard to her background, was it common to submit DNA test results to achieve whatever it is she benefited from?

 

[LSSBB]

People should never be compelled to take a DNA-test: we might as well bring back Aryan Certificates.
If Warren feels like doing a test, and then feels like sharing the results, that would be entirely up to her.

Welcome to Gattaca. Population: Republican "gotcha" enthusiasts.

 

[Lurch]

Yer gettin' Bobbed, folk!

As to this DNA crap, yeah, a kind of birtherism that doesn't deserve the time of day. The Sturm und Drang fomented by the frothing republiturds is the height of hypocrisy when they let their Dear Leader daily lie like a cheap rug--on crucial matters--with not the slightest sniff of censure.

 

[Fudbucker]

"Warren herself didn’t trumpet this side of her family story. When applying to college and law school, records show that she either identified as white or declined to apply based on minority status."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...behind-elizabeth-warren-and-her-native-ameri/

Doesn't sound like she tried to gain anything by it, and just believed the family stories.

 

[Roger Ramjets]

I think her refusal to do it reflects poorly on her character. I don't care what republicans think.

I also don't care what republicans think. Nobody should be forced to get a DNA test just to refute the slanderous accusations of a pathological liar. I think caving in would reflect poorly on her character.

 

[Roger Ramjets]

I'm also a piece of human garbage,

You say that, but I won't believe you until I see a DNA test.

In the last US census 223,553,265 respondents claimed they were White, the vast majority without a DNA test to back up their claim. Many of them could be hiding their mixed race heritage in order to take advantage of White Privilege. Others may not even realize that they aren't White.

But it gets worse. Without a DNA test we can't even be sure that these people are human! Take BobTheCoward for example. He claims to be human, but also garbage - which is implausible because no human/garbage hybrid has ever been found in the wild. So if BobTheCoward really is garbage as he claims, he almost certainly isn't human. OTOH only humans are known to post messages in online forums, which suggests that BobTheCoward is actually fully human and not garbage.

Of course all this is pure supposition. A DNA test is the only way we can know for sure whether BobTheCoward has any garbage in his bloodline. Things he says that are pure garbage don't count.

 

[lionking]

I’m not aware of any Aboriginal Australian who has been asked for a DNA test to prove aboriginality. Who wants to voluntarily be part of a minority which has a much higher mortality, imprisonment, poverty and unemployment rate?

Here all you need to do is identify as an aborigine, and far more importantly be accepted as an aborigine by your local indigenous community. Grief awaits anyone who falsely declares themselves to be an aborigine. This works quite well without questionable DNA tests.

 

[Norman Alexander]

You say that, but I won't believe you until I see a DNA test.

In the last US census 223,553,265 respondents claimed they were White, the vast majority without a DNA test to back up their claim. Many of them could be hiding their mixed race heritage in order to take advantage of White Privilege. Others may not even realize that they aren't White.

But it gets worse. Without a DNA test we can't even be sure that these people are human! Take BobTheCoward for example. He claims to be human, but also garbage - which is implausible because no human/garbage hybrid has ever been found in the wild. So if BobTheCoward really is garbage as he claims, he almost certainly isn't human. OTOH only humans are known to post messages in online forums, which suggests that BobTheCoward is actually fully human and not garbage.

Of course all this is pure supposition. A DNA test is the only way we can know for sure whether BobTheCoward has any garbage in his bloodline. Things he says that are pure garbage don't count.

So what does garbage DNA look like? Not a double helix but more like torn up train tracks?

 

[ddt]

I think the more pressing issue is if Donald Trump's biological father is not, in fact, an orangutan. Bill Maher had a quite credible point there. Trump's skin color, his shown intelligence, and his incessant flinging of poo all point to that. And you wouldn't even need a DNA test: with a decent microscope you can see how many and which chromosomes he has.

 

[BobTheCoward]

And what exactly does "staked their position on it" mean? Is Elizabeth Warren in the position she is in because of what her DNA test shows? Or is it because of what her family told her growing up? When she made her claims with regard to her background, was it common to submit DNA test results to achieve whatever it is she benefited from?

I don't think she has benefited. Because she said it was what her family said is reason enough to do it.

 

[Porpoise of Life]

I don't think she has benefited. Because she said it was what her family said is reason enough to do it.

Even if I were to agree with you, you'd only be right if the kind of test she'd be taking could reliably answer the question of whether one of her ancestors centuries ago belonged to a certain ethnic group. Otherwise it's just as intellectually honest as dunking witches.

And I doubt you'll be providing evidence for that necessary step, because 'you're just arguing a principle'/' you don't care'.

 

[BobTheCoward]

Even if I were to agree with you, you'd only be right if the kind of test she'd be taking could reliably answer the question of whether one of her ancestors centuries ago belonged to a certain ethnic group. Otherwise it's just as intellectually honest as dunking witches.

And I doubt you'll be providing evidence for that necessary step, because 'you're just arguing a principle'/' you don't care'.

Correct.i don't care about the accuracy of the test.

 

[fuelair]

She doesn't need to take a DNA test because the only people who claim she needs to take a DNA test are worthless subhuman pathological lying scum a/k/a Republiscum.

Now that makes sense!!!!! Any time, anywhere!!!!!!!

 

[fuelair]

I think the more pressing issue is if Donald Trump's biological father is not, in fact, an orangutan. Bill Maher had a quite credible point there. Trump's skin color, his shown intelligence, and his incessant flinging of poo all point to that. And you wouldn't even need a DNA test: with a decent microscope you can see how many and which chromosomes he has.

Excellent and true point!!! I am sad to say I had forgotten that!!!!

 

[fuelair]

To take this to reductio ad absurdum, you would be willing to jump through 15 flaming hoops and then swim a mile in manure if your political detractors claimed that you had to to prove you really believed in your stated position?

I have faith that Bob would bravely take up that challenge!!!!!

 

[BobTheCoward]

I have faith that Bob would bravely take up that challenge!!!!!

I already said I wouldn't. Does anyone bother to read my full name?

 

[pgwenthold]

There is a current commercial for one of the DNA test companies that has a guy saying how he was always told his heritage was German. But when he took the DNA test, he found out that it was actually largely Scottish.

OK, let's consider that situation.

1) Was he wrong he wrong to think he had German heritage before the DNA test? That's what he was told, so why shouldn't he think that?
2) Did the fact that he had a DNA test that showed him to be wrong change the answer to #1? All the DNA test result means is that, in the future, he won't be saying he has German heritage and will say it is Scottish.

This is the case with Warren. If she was told she had Native American heritage, why would she be wrong to believe it? And even IF she took a DNA test and it showed she didn't, it wouldn't change the fact that she was told she did, and therefore that's what she believed.

This DNA test is a red herring. It will do nothing. If it comes up negative, it just shows that she has been told wrong, just like the guy in the commercial.

OK, in that case, change your lederhosen to a kilt and move on. It means nothing else.

 

[ddt]

There is a current commercial for one of the DNA test companies that has a guy saying how he was always told his heritage was German. But when he took the DNA test, he found out that it was actually largely Scottish.

OK, let's consider that situation.

1) Was he wrong he wrong to think he had German heritage before the DNA test? That's what he was told, so why shouldn't he think that?
2) Did the fact that he had a DNA test that showed him to be wrong change the answer to #1? All the DNA test result means is that, in the future, he won't be saying he has German heritage and will say it is Scottish.

This is the case with Warren. If she was told she had Native American heritage, why would she be wrong to believe it? And even IF she took a DNA test and it showed she didn't, it wouldn't change the fact that she was told she did, and therefore that's what she believed.

This DNA test is a red herring. It will do nothing. If it comes up negative, it just shows that she has been told wrong, just like the guy in the commercial.
OK, in that case, change your lederhosen to a kilt and move on. It means nothing else.

And not even that. Those commercial DNA tests are imperfect to say it politely, as has been discussed in the other thread. There are no conclusive markers in your DNA that say "German" or "Scottish" or "Native American".

They're no replacement for actual genealogical research, you know: track down birth certificates, marriage certificates etc. from your ancestors. And even that's not perfect: while your legal father is the husband of your legal (and biological) mother, your biological father may, in fact, have been the milkman, or a Native American your mother had an affair with and told no-one about.