Operaider
Muse
- Joined
- Apr 4, 2004
- Messages
- 913
as I see it you are lucky to have the one life.
You're just getting greedy and hoping for an eternity.
ou should be happy with what you have, and enjoy it. Instead wasting it by spending all of your limited time trying to get into some fictional nirvana.
You're just getting greedy and hoping for an eternity.
ou should be happy with what you have, and enjoy it. Instead wasting it by spending all of your limited time trying to get into some fictional nirvana.
Re: Re: Re: Why don't you believe in Hell?
It's "drivel" not "dribble" and you have no idea of what anyone believes.
Your notion of "hell" is a largely medieval construction which is fine as far as it goes. I don't believe that hell is specifically mentioned by Jesus, the references were by later christo-polititions attempting to solidify their position. Jesus refers to "being with him in heaven" the notion being, clearly, that that eventuality is highly desireable. If you think about it, that is a fairly elegant construction, one that is supremely self assured and actually, somewhat attractive. The b/w,heaven/hell dicotomy is the work of lesser minds more concerned with mammon.
1inChrist said:
It's "drivel" not "dribble" and you have no idea of what anyone believes.
Your notion of "hell" is a largely medieval construction which is fine as far as it goes. I don't believe that hell is specifically mentioned by Jesus, the references were by later christo-polititions attempting to solidify their position. Jesus refers to "being with him in heaven" the notion being, clearly, that that eventuality is highly desireable. If you think about it, that is a fairly elegant construction, one that is supremely self assured and actually, somewhat attractive. The b/w,heaven/hell dicotomy is the work of lesser minds more concerned with mammon.
RebeccaBradley
Critical Thinker
- Joined
- Feb 27, 2002
- Messages
- 449
1inChrist said:
Debatable, even if you believe in Hell. (Which I don't.) Refer to Daniel 22:2 - And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Or perhaps John 5:28-29 - Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice. And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
This is the "long sleep after the first death" school of interpretation, which holds that nobody will be cast into the lake of fire until after Armageddon. Any comment?
And I'm waiting to hear how (if Hell is the lake of fire), hell itself will be cast into the lake of fire...? (Rev. 20:14)
(Hint for 1inC - it has to do with mistranslations in the KJV.)
Operaider
Muse
- Joined
- Apr 4, 2004
- Messages
- 913
THIS CANNOT BE, THE KING JAMES TRANSLATION IS IRREFUTABLE. THERE ARE NO MISTRANSLATIONS/INCONSISTENCY'S. IT'S JUST MISUNDERSTOOD BY PEOPLE WITH WHOM HE HAS NOT REVELED HIMSELF. THE KING JAMES BIBLE IS THE ONE TRUE WORD OF GOD.RebeccaBradley said:
Figured I’d save ol’ 1 in C the time and answer it for him
RebeccaBradley
Critical Thinker
- Joined
- Feb 27, 2002
- Messages
- 449
Operaider said:
Aww, that is way way nice of you, Operaider. I hope 1inC is properly grateful.
(BTW, great pastiche.
)Correa Neto
Philosopher
- Joined
- Aug 4, 2003
- Messages
- 8,548
Allah will lay His anger upon 1n´xst.
How can you be sure that salvation is not written in the pages of the Koran?
Or any other sacred text?
The concepts of Hell and Christian salvation are flawed and silly.
How can you be sure that salvation is not written in the pages of the Koran?
Or any other sacred text?
The concepts of Hell and Christian salvation are flawed and silly.
Operaider said:
Yes. And the fact the the words shake and spear occupy the 46th from the top and 46th place from the bottom in the 46 psalm when the Bard was 46 (1611) certainly does proove that the KJV and Shakespeare himself were divine.
If, in fact, WS did translate this psalm and, puckishly, inserted his name one must wonder to how inerrent the translation is. In fairness most academics scoff. Damn sceptics!
PS: I think it is probably the bard having a joke, academics be damned.
Checkmite
Skepticifimisticalationist
I don't believe in Hell for the same reason I don't believe in Hogwart's School of Witchcraft and Wizardry. Sure, people talk about it a lot, it's had a few appearances in movies, and it's been written about extensively; but that doesn't make it real.
Unlike some theists who can claim to have had what they perceive as direct personal contact with their god (which reasonably justifies their belief, I suppose), we have yet to hear from anyone who's actually made a hike to Hell, taken some photos, and come back to warn us. Even the most outspoken of proponents refuse to submit any evidence more tangible than a "dream".
Unlike some theists who can claim to have had what they perceive as direct personal contact with their god (which reasonably justifies their belief, I suppose), we have yet to hear from anyone who's actually made a hike to Hell, taken some photos, and come back to warn us. Even the most outspoken of proponents refuse to submit any evidence more tangible than a "dream".
RebeccaBradley
Critical Thinker
- Joined
- Feb 27, 2002
- Messages
- 449
So 1inChrist has abandoned this thread and started another? Sigh. 
What abour all our lovely questions?
What abour all our lovely questions?[Edited to add: I'm not an atheist but this question would apply to people with my religious views also.]1inChrist said:
I do not believe in Hell because I consider it immoral to send someone to Hell to be tortured by its fires for eternity. All humans should be allowed to go to Heaven for eternity after they die.