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Why do conservatives lie so much?

I am still trying to wrap my head around the "challenge" here.....
 
sunmaster14 said:
Actually, this was the "death panel lie" that Politifact cited as lie of the year in 2009 (by Sarah Palin):



Can you find an actual lie in there?
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The lie is that such panels were not already in use by private insurance companies. The lie is that Obamacare will introduce these panels.
 
Ladewig said:
The lie is that such panels were not already in use by private insurance companies. The lie is that Obamacare will introduce these panels.
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Who claimed that private insurance companies didn't already make decisions about whether to cover a life-saving drug based on cost and effectiveness by patient type? Perhaps the claim was that there was competition between insurers, and you in theory could choose a more expensive insurer which covered more expensive or experimental treatments. A government run system doesn't leave room for any choice, at least for people who aren't rich. In any case, Sarah Palin certainly doesn't make any claims that I disagree with in her "lie of the year." Perhaps her statement implies something about what Obama intended that seems over-the-top, but Democrats have been accusing health insurance companies of murder for as long as I can remember. In fact, didn't Obama's campaign imply that Mitt Romney was guilty of murder because Bain Capital took over some company and laid off a worker whose wife subsequently died of cancer?
 
Ladewig said:
The lie is that such panels were not already in use by private insurance companies. The lie is that Obamacare will introduce these panels.
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I think the issue was far simpler.... The actual material in the law had to do with counseling on living wills and the like. The claims on the death panels were based on said counseling being mandatory, among other things but as far as I recall they were either not implemented, or not mandatory to begin with.... maybe both.
 
Travis said:
First off I'm a bit shocked that so many of you claim to have not heard of the Conservative Tribune. It shows up in my facebook feed with such regularity I can set my clock by it.

"Travis you think all the Muslims shouldn't be killed but read this!"
"Last week you argued Obama hadn't banned the Bible from the White House, well check this out!"
Travis, still don't think atheists are rapists? Well here's an article for you!"

and so on
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Haven't I told you before that you need to find a better class of friends?
 
sunmaster14 said:
[Death Panels]
Not a lie so much as a prediction. The law clearly creates an unelected committee of bureaucrats with the power to make cost-benefit decisions about what Medicare will cover, which can only be overridden by a supermajority in Congress. Personally, I think it's a necessary feature of government-paid health care. I would prefer that it not be insulated from Congress as much as it is, but ultimately, some bureaucrat will have to say "no, extending that person's life is not worth the cost." Calling that process a death panel, may be somewhat overheated rhetoric, but it is not a lie. If you decline coverage for a necessary treatment to extend a person's life, then you are condemning that person to an earlier death.
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This defense of the death panel lie as if it ever had a semblance of truth explains why the right wing promotes this propaganda. It's so easy to lead the flock.

The rest of your post is more of the same. There's no benefit in revisiting the specific lies, there are threads on all of them.

Reality is not a matter of opinion.
 
Grizzly Bear said:
I think the issue was far simpler.... The actual material in the law had to do with counseling on living wills and the like. The claims on the death panels were based on said counseling being mandatory, among other things but as far as I recall they were either not implemented, or not mandatory to begin with.... maybe both.
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This ^

That is where the death panel lie originated, and it wasn't even mandating the counseling that was the problem. Physicians rightly complained that they couldn't get insurers to reimburse for this important medical intervention.

The goal of the mandates in the ACA wasn't to control your healthcare, it was intended to stop short-sighted insurance coverage that cost the whole system more in the long run.

And I should add, the free market created and did not solve the problem.

And, notice how easily that 'fact' about the end of life counseling reimbursement was replaced with the dishonest claim one's health care was being mandated?
 
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Ziggurat said:
Haven't I told you before that you need to find a better class of friends?
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Slowly but surely I'm weeding them out. I blocked someone on facebook recently who was openly calling for a genocide of all Muslims in America. I let him hang around for awhile only because he is the uncle of a treasured friend of mine.
 
Denver said:
So Conservative Tribune is a liftable media site: Liftable.com says its goal is to find the most Liftable stories and share them with you. It defines that as funny, interesting, inspiring, etc. It has a few other sites besides Conservative Tribune, such as thoughtfulwomen.org and westernjournalism.com. Liftable seems to be a corporation of the Brown family, who also founded Citizens UnitedWP, and is about a year old.

Also from the Brown family we have Exellentia, which is described as:
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i.e. **** all over the shingles!!!!!:jaw-dropp:jaw-dropp:jaw-dropp:jaw-dropp
 
Ziggurat said:
He does seem to spend a lot of time hanging out with people he hates. That really can't be good for him.
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The Art of War:
First know your enemy better than he knows himself.
Then use that knowledge to guide your plans as you work against him.
Make him devour feces and expire.
Exult and move to the next enemy.
Wash, rinse, repeat ad infinitum..............
 
Travis said:
First off I'm a bit shocked that so many of you claim to have not heard of the Conservative Tribune. It shows up in my facebook feed with such regularity I can set my clock by it.
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This is getting funny!
 
Travis, the Conservative Tribune is not a Conservative rag that is lying to advance it's ideology, it is a click bait "satirical"* paper that generates revenue by lying to conservatives.

That so many conservatives pass this website around uncritically is itself concerning, since I think it's a sign that the Tea Party is most definitely the tail that is now wagging the dog, but this isn't the National Review. It's not a case of conservatives lying, in this one example specifically, it's about conservatives being lied to and being uncritical enough to believe it. Go ahead, follow any of the links in one of their articles--chances are that they will link to random Tribune articles that have nothing to do with the topic of the link. They're not pushing any ideology, they're just delivering eyeballs to advertisers, and putting in the bare minimum effort to fool the uncritical into sharing it.



*note the quotation marks around the term "satirical".
 
Just compare the number of entries on Snopes: Lies about Bush vs. lies about either Clinton or Obama. I just did a quick count of the stories Snopes labeled as "False." 110 for Obama, 18 for Bush II.

There were multiple false stories about Michelle Obama in that 110. There were none about Mrs. Bush.
 
Myron Proudfoot said:
Just compare the number of entries on Snopes: Lies about Bush vs. lies about either Clinton or Obama. I just did a quick count of the stories Snopes labeled as "False." 110 for Obama, 18 for Bush II.

There were multiple false stories about Michelle Obama in that 110. There were none about Mrs. Bush.
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Again, this means nothing. There are no controls on Snopes' sampling methods.

Oh, and don't forget: the birther lies started with Democrats.
 
Travis said:
Why do conservatives lie so much?
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Why do people lie so much ?

First off I'm a bit shocked that so many of you claim to have not heard of the Conservative Tribune.
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Oh, so you don't even believe them ? Seriously, this is getting ridiculous.

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Gawdzilla Sama said:
You're right! We heard absolutely nothing like that from the right.
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The poster's point is that conservatives aren't the only ones to lie, not that only liberals lie.


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Republicus said:
Travis, the Conservative Tribune is not a Conservative rag that is lying to advance it's ideology, it is a click bait "satirical"* paper that generates revenue by lying to conservatives.
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IOW, Conservatives are stupid, not necessarily dishonest....
 
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