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Why Didn't The Allies Back Hitler.

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Even back then, most people knew that the Bolsheviks and Stalin were monsters. So why didn't the allies back Hitler. Well Russia was for the most part an oriental country. In part probably due to them having been ruled by the Mongol Golden Horde for centuries. Did the allies not back Hitler because Germany was more of a civilized, advanced and "Western" country than Russia? That doesn't make any sense.

Also, after WW I, the allies actually sent troops into Russia to help defeat the Bolsheviks. So it seems pretty strange to help them in WW II. Another thing is that Germany invaded Poland on September 1, 1939. (Some say because ethnic Germans in Poland were being slaughtered) It didn't take the allies long to declare war on Germany for doing so. But war wasn't declared on Russia when they did the same two or three weeks later. Neither was war declared on Russia when they invaded Finland on November 30, 1939.

Another thing is that on June 22, 1941, Germany invaded Russia. There was at least one book written that made the point that the reason they did so was that because a few weeks later, Russia was scheduled to invade Germany. And what did the U.S. do when Germany did so? They started sending Russia supplies and munitions! Even though we weren't at war with Germany yet.

Also, after WW I, the allies stole something like 65 billion in gold from Germany as reparations for WW I. But Germany just got sucked into that war like everybody else. Could it be that the Allies didn't back Hitler because he put a stop to those reparations? Another thing is that Hitler made it so Germans didn't literally need a wheelbarrow full of money to buy a loaf of bread with. Could it be that the allies didn't back Hitler because he fixed that problem? Or because he gave most Germans what they desperately needed? Employment?

I will tell you a couple of the real reasons that the allies didn't back Hitler. For one, to most Christians, a good way to prove the power of their imaginary god is to support the jewish people. And Hitler DARED deport 60 to 70% of its jews to Palestine under The Haavara Agreement. Another reason they didn't support Hitler can be shown in a couple pictures I will add. One is an image from the first 'talkie" that the jew Charlie Chaplin ever did. The second picture and quote is of the Russian head of the NKVD. Can you make the connection? Boy have you people been played for saps!
 

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Hitler didn't attack the Soviet Union until after he had declared war on Western Europe. It's kinda hard to be friends with someone who keeps invading and bombing you. And that's just the practical problem with your fantasy. I'm not even going to touch the racist douchebaggery that animates it.
 
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They didn't support Hitler because Charlie Chaplin made a movie?

That makes as much sense as anything you've posted.
 
theprestige said:
Hitler didn't attack the Soviet Union until after he had declared war on Western Europe. It's kinda hard to be friends with someone who keeps invading and bombing you. And that's just the practical problem with your fantasy. I'm not even going to touch the racist douchebaggery that animates it.
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Additionally the Christian support of Jews is a reaction to WWII. Before then Christians had no trouble being anti-Semitic. If anything the argument should be "Why didn't the Allies back Hitler, they hated the Jews too."
 
truthist said:
First, Germany had war declared on them after they invaded Poland. Not the other way around.
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The whole point was that Stalin and the Bolsheviks were far worse than Hitler and the Nazis ever thought of being.
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Really? Germany INVADED Poland and they had war declared on them?

That's some world class cognitive dissonance.

That's like someone complaining they got arrested because they broke into their neighbor's house.
 
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Personally I think it's a dead heat between which were worse: the Nazis or the Communists. Hitler was by far the most toxic single individual in either group, and his personal obsessions were a large part of the driving force behind the Nazi's excesses. The evils of the Communists were a more widely shared ideological poison. Stalin was just the worst of the lot to take power in that terrible regime.

That said, nobody in Europe wanted war, except for Hitler. There was never an offer on the table to ally with Hitler against Stalin, and there was never a desire to go to war with Stalin in the first place.

Not only that, but the opposition to the Soviet Union that existed in the rest of Europe was ideological, along conflicting socio-economic lines. It was not driven by apocalyptic racial bigotry--that was Hitler's thing.
 
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Spindrift said:
Really? Germany INVADED Poland and they had war declared on them?

That's some world class cognitive dissonance.

That's like someone complaining they got arrested because they broke into their neighbor's house.
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There's actually a nuanced debate to be had on this topic. But that's not really going to happen here.
 
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Really? Germany INVADED Poland and they had war declared on them?

That's some world class cognitive dissonance.

That's like someone complaining they got arrested because they broke into their neighbor's house.
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In a way the OP is right:Great Britain and France did declare war on Germany because they had a defensive alliance with Poland. But, as stated, it's like complaining that the cops are after you after you commited a crime knowing full well it was a crime.
 
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I didn't know Charlie Chaplin was Jewish. Except of course he almost certainly was not. Although this myth has been circulating around Neo-Nazi and Anti-Semitic internet sites etc., for quite sometime.

Truthist of course repeats a whole list of nonsense and canards. The stuff about Germany invading to save Germans in Poland from being murdered is nonsense. Hitler had been planning the invasion for months in advance. The alleged atrocities made good propaganda though.

Further Truthist brings up the utter rot that Russia was planning to invade a few weeks after the date of Barbarossa. Given the utter state of disorganization of the Red Army after the purges and the Red army's disgraceful showing in Finland such a plan would have been idiotic and was not in fact implemented in any way. Instead the evidence is quite categorical that Stalin was terrified about a German attack and tried to give the Germans no excuse for attacking. Further Hitler had been preparing the attack since July 1940. Stalin was so fearful of a German attack that he allowed German planes to a myriad of reconnaissance flights over the territory of the Soviet Union.

Oh and the allies did indeed come close to war with Russia over Finland.

Reparation payments stopped before Hitler assumed power and further Truthist is repeating guff about Reparations. The actual payments the Germans made were a good deal less and further the Americans gave huge loans to the Germans that more than balanced reparation payments. Hitler's government than screwed the American investors out. Also a large part of the reason why the German economy suffered from hyper inflation after the war was deliberate policy by the German government. Germany in the end suffered very little from the reparations. Oh and the hyper inflation ended in 1924 more than 8 years before Hitler took power, so Hitler had nothing to do with ending it.

Hitler did not deport 60-70% of the German Jewish population to Palestine. Only a minority of German Jews leaving Germany went to Palestine. But of course the German regime of Hitler did in fact steal the great majority of the wealth of German Jews before letting them leave. Including after Crystal Night confiscation the insurance money for all those wreaked businesses and other property.

Truthist then repeats an Anti-Semitic piece of tripe complete with fake quote. I note Truthist probably doesn't have the foggiest notion of the suppression of Jewish religious life in the Soviet Union starting during Lenin's time.
 
theprestige said:
Personally I think it's a dead heat between which were worse: the Nazis or the Communists. Hitler was by far the most toxic single individual in either group, and his personal obsessions were a large part of the driving force behind the Nazi's excesses. The evils of the Communists were a more widely shared ideological poison. Stalin was just the worst of the lot to take power in that terrible regime.

That said, nobody in Europe wanted war, except for Hitler. There was never an offer on the table to ally with Hitler against Stalin, and there was never a desire to go to war with Stalin in the first place.

Not only that, but the opposition to the Soviet Union that existed in the rest of Europe was ideological, along conflicting socio-economic lines. It was not driven by apocalyptic racial bigotry--that was Hitler's thing.
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The other thing to keep in mind is the Nazis didn't get to carry out their "Demographic Revolution", in full because of the war. Unlike Stalin and his murderous cohorts. Before launching operation Barbarossa Hitler had prepared Plan East. A blueprint for the demographic reorganizing of Eastern Europe. The plan called for deliberate mass starvation, mass expulsions / deportations. The plan envisioned has a minimum 20 million deaths during the first few years, excluding "Special Operations, like murdering Jews. The eventual deportation, which almost certainly have resulted in 10s of millions of deaths, of the rest to Siberia. The remnant of this population left would be serf / slave labour for the millions of Germans settled on the now empty land.

The above excludes what was planned for the Poles and Czechs, which was a certain percentage would be aryanized, but most would be deported or killed.

There was also plans to eliminate "hereditary defects" among the Germans it was thought this would require the "Special treatment" of between 5 -10% of the German population.

If Hitler had won his war the Holocaust would only have been the first of a whole series of mass murders which would have put Stalin and his cohorts in the shade.
 
truthist said:
Even back then, most people knew that the Bolsheviks and Stalin were monsters. So why didn't the allies back Hitler. [...]
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Because Hitler had already made war on Europe. In fact, Hitler declared war on the USA 4 days after Pearl Harbor. If I'm not mistaken, that was the only formal declaration of war the Nazis ever made.

Quoting (or perhaps misquoting) Churchill: "If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons."
 
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Pacal said:
I didn't know Charlie Chaplin was Jewish. Except of course he almost certainly was not. Although this myth has been circulating around Neo-Nazi and Anti-Semitic internet sites etc., for quite sometime.

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But the Three Stooges were. And their You Nazty Spy! was released before Chaplan's The Great Dictator.
 
truthist said:
But Germany just got sucked into that war like everybody else.
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Sucked into it you say? I'm sure the Kaiser and the others were actually big boys who did whatever they pleased.

And Hitler DARED deport 60 to 70% of its jews to Palestine under The Haavara Agreement.
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Deport? It seems to me that those people got the hell out while the gettin was good.

truthist said:
The jews control everything you think and do.
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Why are you letting them do this to you? Be your own man instead dude!

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truthist said:
... Another reason they didn't support Hitler can be shown in a couple pictures I will add. One is an image from the first 'talkie" that the jew Charlie Chaplin ever did. The second picture and quote is of the Russian head of the NKVD. Can you make the connection?...
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That Charlie Chaplin, Adolph Hitler and this NKVD chap all have the same style of moustache?
 
the funny thing (really the funny thing!) was that actual Jews the three stooges totally humiliated hitler long before Charlie Chaplin!

You should change your second photo to Moe as the president of moronica!

The three stooges inspired the allies to curb stomp your one ball hero.

Hee hee!
 
bruto said:
I was never a big fan of the Stooges but I up my opinion a little for this one.

Here's a shrunken but watchable version:

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I am pretty sure I can guess which!!! I love me some funny looking dead nazis!!!!
 
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