Why Didn't The Allies Back Hitler.

[truthist]

Tell me anything in the thread that you are skeptical about.

 

[Border Reiver]

I remember seeing something about Poles who fought for the allies, including Russia, against Germany. What "class A" treasonous suckers they turned out to be!

The Independent Polish Armoured Brigade fought valiantly and well with First Canadian Army and assisted with the liberation of The Netherlands. They remained loyal to the Polish government in exile, and generally settled in the UK, including .

 

[truthist]

There is one thing that I am willing to believe about the Nazis. Which is that they wanted most of their jews to leave. If they had the money to spare, they probably would have PAID them to leave. Not say, "If you don't come up with the money, you have to stay." As for The Haavara Agreement and the 60 to 70% thing, it doesn't seem that hard to believe to me. And where I got those percentages was from "Yahoo, answers." Just type into your browser, "How many jews were deported to Palestine under The Haavara Agreement." In yahoo answers, look at "The Best Answer." Even if you don't believe it, at the very least it proves that the Germans were interested in deportation. Not genocide.

 

[truthist]

I will start out with ethnic Germans being slaughtered in Poland. It did happen. But how many needed to be murdered for Germany to intercede isn't your call to make. Though it is true that after Germany invaded, many more ethnic Germans were killed. Next, prior to Hitler coming to power reparations did stop. But obviously not because they dropped the idea of Germany making reparations. Germany just didn't have the money. It was Hitler who stopped the reparations. Regardless of money.

As to the rest, you say "were allowed to leave." If anything was true about the Nazis, it is that they wanted to get rid of most of their jews. And The Haavara Agreement itself wasn't about holding any of them back. As to how many were deported, you probably prefer your own version of BS history. But enter into your browser, "How many jews were deported under the haavara agreement." You will see a site by "Yahoo, answers." Look at their "Best Answer."

 

[truthist]

You can have any opinion of Hitler that you like. But I said what i said. One of those things WASN'T that Hitler was perfect. He was just slandered all to hell.

 

[truthist]

Maybe Yogoda was out before Stalin was in. Who knows. As for how truthful the saying is, I couldn't say. I didn't look that deeply into it. It is what it is. Genrikh Yagoda was at least jewish.

 

[TubbaBlubba]

I was curious, since the history of the USSR is a bit of an interest of mine. Oddly, I can't find any reputable source for the Yagoda quote. I'm disinclined to think it genuine, because Jews in the Communist Party tended to be extremely secular - especially once Stalin took power, as he was not particularly fond of the Tribe himself.

Yeah, Iagoda being Jewish is often listed as one of the possible reasons for Stalin getting rid of him (more recently it has also been suggested that it was actually Menzhinsky who had Stalin's trust, contrary to previous thought). I would think that quote would be frequently mentioned in that context were it genuine.

 

[Ranb]

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Get this. Just about everything you heard and continue to hear about Hitler and WW II in general is an utter lie!

So what links do we need to read that are not lies then? got any?

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With perfect 20/20 hindsight, it is clear as day that Stalin was far worse than Hitler ever thought of being.

Okay so what? What does that mean to those who lacked hindsight during WWII?

I will give you one example out of zillions of others. After Germany and Russia both defeated Poland, both side took many Polish prisoners. The Russians executed something around 22,000 Poles in the Katyn massacre. The Nazis didn't do that.

I remember seeing something about Poles who fought for the allies, including Russia, against Germany. What "class A" treasonous suckers they turned out to be!

From what I read the nazis did much worse during the course of the war. Why isn't your hindsight working for you now?

 

[Loss Leader]

But enter into your browser, "How many jews were deported under the haavara agreement." You will see a site by "Yahoo, answers." Look at their "Best Answer."

That's your source? The "Best Answer" on Yahoo Answers?

Like this best answer:

Is the hunger games based on a true story?"

Best Answer: Yes. This actually happened shortly after the Pilgrims came to America. They took over the land and forced the Native Americans to participate in the Hunger Games. The reason why Pocahontas is so famous is because she was the winner of the first Hunger Games.

Your sources are exceptionally poor.

 

[Aber]

There is one thing that I am willing to believe about the Nazis. Which is that they wanted most of their jews to leave. If they had the money to spare, they probably would have PAID them to leave. Not say, "If you don't come up with the money, you have to stay." As for The Haavara Agreement and the 60 to 70% thing, it doesn't seem that hard to believe to me. And where I got those percentages was from "Yahoo, answers." Just type into your browser, "How many jews were deported to Palestine under The Haavara Agreement." In yahoo answers, look at "The Best Answer." Even if you don't believe it, at the very least it proves that the Germans were interested in deportation. Not genocide.

You base your whole argument on one answer on Yahoo answers?

How much have you actually read or studied on the Third Reich?

 

[Border Reiver]

I will start out with ethnic Germans being slaughtered in Poland.

The "slaughter" started after the invasion.

It did happen. But how many needed to be murdered for Germany to intercede isn't your call to make.

Using it as an after the fact justification though is not honest either.

Next, prior to Hitler coming to power reparations did stop. But obviously not because they dropped the idea of Germany making reparations. Germany just didn't have the money. It was Hitler who stopped the reparations. Regardless of money.

Except for that pesky reality thing.

As to the rest, you say "were allowed to leave." If anything was true about the Nazis, it is that they wanted to get rid of most of their jews. And The Haavara Agreement itself wasn't about holding any of them back. As to how many were deported, you probably prefer your own version of BS history. But enter into your browser, "How many jews were deported under the haavara agreement." You will see a site by "Yahoo, answers." Look at their "Best Answer."

allowed to leave after selling off their assets and then "donating" most of it to the state.

You enjoy your "alternate facts."

 

[bruto]

I know it's a small thing, and in many ways it does not matter, but I am curious why you find it necessary to declare that Charlie Chaplin was Jewish. Of course it should not matter, and it would not diminish my esteem for Chaplin any either way. A few Jewish writers and organizations have suggested that they wish he had been. But I do not see any evidence that Chaplin was actually Jewish, except for the repeated lies of persons and groups for which no name can be found without slandering the good name of feces and pond scum. So I'm just wondering why you find it so important to make that dubious assertion.

 

[Degeneve]

I wish there were some intelligent people at this forum. Get this. Just about everything you heard and continue to hear about Hitler and WW II in general is an utter lie! Did you not read my thread? With perfect 20/20 hindsight, it is clear as day that Stalin was far worse than Hitler ever thought of being. I will give you one example out of zillions of others. After Germany and Russia both defeated Poland, both side took many Polish prisoners. The Russians executed something around 22,000 Poles in the Katyn massacre. The Nazis didn't do that. I remember seeing something about Poles who fought for the allies, including Russia, against Germany. What "class A" treasonous suckers they turned out to be!

While the nazis "only" killed 5 millions of Polish citizens, including 3 millions Jews.

Nazi repression in occupied Poland was particularly brutal and did not only concern Jews. In fact it was much worse than what Stalin did to the Poles during the same span of time. This being said the exceptional brutality shown by the nazis towards the Poles does in no way excuse or justify what Stalin did to the Poles during and after the war.

 

[Crossbow]

You can have any opinion of Hitler that you like. But I said what i said. One of those things WASN'T that Hitler was perfect. He was just slandered all to hell.

You may want to check the actual meaning of the word 'slander' because I can assure you that Hitler has not been "slandered all to hell".

Instead, Hitler was sent to hell as a result of his own actions that he was quite proud of. Over the years there have been numerous people who have simply told the truth about Hitler, and it is the truth about Hitler which has so effectively sent Hitler to hell.

 

[dudalb]

You may want to check the actual meaning of the word 'slander' because I can assure you that Hitler has not been "slandered all to hell".

Instead, Hitler was sent to hell as a result of his own actions that he was quite proud of. Over the years there have been numerous people who have simply told the truth about Hitler, and it is the truth about Hitler which has so effectively sent Hitler to hell.

There are excellent reasons why Comparing a Politican to Hitler is the most unflattering,damaging comparasion you can make....
With Stalin a close second.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Even back then, most people knew that the Bolsheviks and Stalin were monsters. So why didn't the allies back Hitler. Well Russia was for the most part an oriental country. In part probably due to them having been ruled by the Mongol Golden Horde for centuries. Did the allies not back Hitler because Germany was more of a civilized, advanced and "Western" country than Russia? That doesn't make any sense.

The only worthwhile part of that is "That doesn't make any sense".

The allies had generally supported the White Russians against the Reds and were certainly no friends of the Soviet Union. At exactly what point "back then" do you think they should have decided to back Germany against Russia? Can't have been while Germany had a non-aggression pact with the Soviet Union. Hitler was officially Stalin's pal right up until he invaded, by which time Britain had been at war with him for nearly two years precisely because they too had a treaty, with Poland.

The Mongol hordes of five hundred years ago didn't make Russia oriental. Quite the reverse - the Mongols' collapse and the following eastward expansion of the Tsar's domains made the orient Russian. It's a remarkable statistic that, after the defeat of the Mongols, the Tsar's domain increased by an average 50 square miles per day for the next four hundred years.

... Also, after WW I, the allies stole something like 65 billion in gold from Germany as reparations for WW I. But Germany just got sucked into that war like everybody else.

No. The Kaiser wanted war, thinking he could win. He pushed Austria/Hungary to punish Serbia, knowing it would provoke the Tsar but believing he could crush France in a repeat of 1870 and still take on Russia. He misread Britain's intentions thinking they would not come to France's aid.

 

[TubbaBlubba]

There are excellent reasons why Comparing a Politican to Hitler is the most unflattering,damaging comparasion you can make....
With Stalin a close second.

Well, it depends a bit. Domestic policy? I'd prefer Hitler unless I was one of the targeted groups (there weren't many in Germany proper). Foreign policy? Well, unless I'm a subsistence farmer in a heavily agrarian neighbouring country, I'd go with Stalin.

 

[Tolls]

Well, it depends a bit. Domestic policy? I'd prefer Hitler unless I was one of the targeted groups (there weren't many in Germany proper).

Well, maybe domestically for a few years before the financial ruin eventually struck. The Nazi economy was a con of epic proportions.

ETA: And there were quite a few targeted groups in Germany prior to the war. Beyond Jews, if you were in any way considered "defective" you were potentially in big trub. Of course, being Nazi Germany, it was all pretty random.

 

[TubbaBlubba]

Well, maybe domestically for a few years before the financial ruin eventually struck. The Nazi economy was a con of epic proportions.

ETA: And there were quite a few targeted groups in Germany prior to the war. Beyond Jews, if you were in any way considered "defective" you were potentially in big trub. Of course, being Nazi Germany, it was all pretty random.

Yeah, a fairly small portion of the population, though (a percent at most?). Comparatively speaking, the typical German had it all right under the Nazis.

 

[fuelair]

Yeah, a fairly small portion of the population, though (a percent at most?). Comparatively speaking, the typical German had it all right under the Nazis.

Gays, Gypsies, Mentally disabled were for certain (as addition to Jews )