Why church is so dangerous !!!

Small and limited question for DJJ: do you consider the bible, as published (i.e. the Holy Bible that most Christians agree upon as such) to be true, complete and canonical?
 
Another question: How many members are there in the Church of David Jay Jordan? Seems to me to be the most dangerous church I've encountered in quite some time. Marshall Applewhite v2?
 
Davidjayjordan said:
(( Glen your belief system doesn't change reality. It doesn't negate the Holy Spirit, or any other person's existence. Your belief system is just that a belief, nothing more. If it conforms to the real world and the real spiritual workld, all the better, if not,you lose.... and better get it together and get more scientific)))
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"Real spiritual world": Oxymoron.
Also, as far as the existence of the Holy Spirit goes, the burden of proof is upon you to demonstrate the truth of your claim of an invisible ghost-thing. It is not upon me to disprove it. In this regard, I do not have beliefs, rather I maintain skepticism.

((Great, then you should be agreeing with me and helping in furthering the charges against them and it, rather than opposing what I am writing. Focus, Glen focus..)))
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What you are writing is still religious, meaning that I am against it as well as churches in general.

(((Again your belief system has absolutely no effect on the real world and the reaql judgments of the Lord. Your belief that judgments don;t occur, doesn;t change the fact that real judgments occur. SEE world history and why He sets up one and dethrones another. have you never read history and the cause of the effects..)))
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Please provide evidence of any god causing even one event in world history.

(((Again your belief system has no validity in what really happenned. You just can;t create your own history , current event illusions and non prophecy for the future. It has to concur with what really happennned, is happenning and will happen SEE Prophecy Challenge Thread)))
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Again, any evidence that what is in the bible does in fact concur with any of those?

(((Nah the scripture I was referring to isn;t that devastating at all, no fire and brinmestone just a little smearing of what they are saying back on their faces.... Everybody gets what they deserve, nothing more...Glen..Hope it doesn't happen to you. )))
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It won't, because there is no such thing as god. Enjoy your delusions. I wish there would be a moment of realization when you die and understand that there is nothing, but there won't be, because there is nothing out there. Hope you figure that out someday.
 
Davidjayjordan said:
IE Jack when you come to a conclusion, a truth, then that truth is probably not a mere subjective truth but an objective one that would help others. And when websites are FREE, and it only takes 20 minutes to make a PAGE, then it is inexcusable for true skeptics not to have one or have some other outlet of expression to share what they know or have learned. false skeptics balk at putting anything in print or on-line as they believe in nothingness, and nothingness does not make a good web-site. Although you could try.
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I still don't see how not having a website makes one somehow unable to think, which is what you're implying. Perhaps not being ABLE to create something like that might have some implications, but I do not see an automatic correlation between having no particular desire to create a separate website and not being able to do so. Plus, people who post here are creating Web content, even if it is not on their own hosted site. So it's not as if the people here have no ability to create Web content.

And you haven't answered my other, very important question, which is this: is it possible for people to post misinformation, either intentionally or unintentionally, on their own websites? Does the fact that the Vatican, Scientology, and the House of Netjer all have websites prove anything insofar as to the truth of their information?
 
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Small and limited question for DJJ: do you consider the bible, as published (i.e. the Holy Bible that most Christians agree upon as such) to be true, complete and canonical?
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Obviously The Word of God is not silent as the Lord is speaking today more than ever in the End Time

Amos 3...

Obviously the patriarchy changed a few parts of the Bible to better help them control their congregations

Obviously the Lord of ALL left enough to get any truth seeker connected up with Him and the Holy Spirit to get CONNECTED and go on and on and on.

You can not limit the oly One of Israel..

Besides the Word of God is prophecy and the direct words of JESUS.

SEE http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/WhatisScripture.html

For the churchies say they believe in scripture and the whole Bible but don't, yet worship their own worship of scriptures

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/WorshippingScriptures.html


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Jackalgirl said:
I still don't see how not having a website makes one somehow unable to think, which is what you're implying. Perhaps not being ABLE to create something like that might have some implications, but I do not see an automatic correlation between having no particular desire to create a separate website and not being able to do so.(((You don;t have to have a website, but the PROBABILITY remains that those that have something POSITIVE to say are more likely to have some way or means of passing that information on if they consider positive information of value to others. For sharing what we know helps others and helps us go further. But some just waste hours after hours after hours, chatting and defaming and getting no where, having no conclusions, no truths, nothing but false skepticism and doubts and FEARS. When it only takes about 20 minutes to start a FREE website..))) Plus, people who post here are creating Web content, even if it is not on their own hosted site. ((Very few are as the ones I maninly see are extremely foolish and negative and come to no conclusions but to further incite more foolishness. But then again, I have seen some good math and science threads that some have started that do have value.... as a starting point.))) So it's not as if the people here have no ability to create Web content. (((Any one can have the ability to start a website, my teenage daughter taught me....)))

And you haven't answered my other, very important question, which is this: is it possible for people to post misinformation, either intentionally or unintentionally, on their own websites? (((The government does it all the time, and through all the media outlets and people do it all the time when they write HERE and elsewhere on the web and even in person. We just have to discern truths, false skeptics do not have this ability because they have no basis or foundation )))

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So Jack if you have a truth, don;t waste time, gather one, connect another and start a website with two truths.... precept upon precept, line upon line as the prophjet Isaiah said... as the Lord dictated..
 
You guys truly do love the church system and its indocrinations even if most of you go to the MOST HIGH CHURCH OF LUCK AND CHANCE AND RANDOM MUTATIONS.
 
Davidjayjordan said:
You guys truly do love the church system and its indocrinations even if most of you go to the MOST HIGH CHURCH OF LUCK AND CHANCE AND RANDOM MUTATIONS.
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Isn't that a quarter of a mile down from the CHURCH OF MARY, MOTHER OF GOD, QUEEN OF THE UNIVERSE*, in south central Florida?










*an actual church, visible from the Interstate, somewhere between Tampa and Orlando...

Davy ol' bean, you're a hoot.

I'm in a church, by the way. We're not allowed to be dangerous, not even to ourselves. And we like sex, too. Sometimes... a little too much.

Of course, we also realize that any divine being who loves us enough to create us and an entire universe for our benefit, isn't going to cause us eternal suffering, or destroy our world just for the heck of it. We also recognize that the divine being fashioned all things - good AND evil - so no appeals to 'the debil', 'kay?
 
Z said:
Davy ol' bean, you're a hoot. (((Thanks bro, but I prefer looking at them)))

I'm in a church, by the way. We're not allowed to be dangerous, not even to ourselves. (((I'd differ there as they promote almost all wars, especially those fundamentalists ones. You know God and country and nationalism and shoot the other unbelievers for oil type morality))) And we like sex, too. Sometimes... a little too much. (((Hmmm too much, that's hard to do, because usually the equipment needs recharging, and tells our minds that, to quench our too persistent desires of the Lord. Isn't HE amazing. Or if you like isn't SHE amazing as the Holy Spirit is female )))

Of course, we also realize that any divine being who loves us enough to create us and an entire universe for our benefit, isn't going to cause us eternal suffering, (((AMEN !!!)))or destroy our world just for the heck of it.(((Amen that's why He creates another one and rules it in LOVE !!! Amen !!!)))
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PS Z, but seriously Z if you are in a church building, do consider fleeing it is dangerous for your soul, mind and even body. Get out before its doctrines get into you. Take a drive in the country, to the beach, to the mountains and to the Lord's open air church.... Much much more inspiring and thrilling..
 
Davidjayjordan said:
Obviously The Word of God is not silent as the Lord is speaking today more than ever in the End Time

Amos 3...

Obviously the patriarchy changed a few parts of the Bible to better help them control their congregations

Obviously the Lord of ALL left enough to get any truth seeker connected up with Him and the Holy Spirit to get CONNECTED and go on and on and on.

You can not limit the oly One of Israel..

Besides the Word of God is prophecy and the direct words of JESUS.

SEE http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/WhatisScripture.html

For the churchies say they believe in scripture and the whole Bible but don't, yet worship their own worship of scriptures

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/WorshippingScriptures.html


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That's not a very informative answer, really, and seems to contradict itself. I really did not ask for more links to your web page, but for a reasonably direct answer to the question of whether the bible as currently configured is true and canonical. You seem in your answer to suggest that it is except when it isn't, which leaves the question as open as before, except of course that you have found the opportunity to spam the thread with a couple more links to your web page. I'm not going to complain or report it, since after the first viewing I have no inclination to revisit your web pages anyway, but having been suspended already, shouldn't you be a little more sparing of links?
 
Davidjayjordan said:
PS Z, but seriously Z if you are in a church building, do consider fleeing it is dangerous for your soul, mind and even body. Get out before its doctrines get into you. Take a drive in the country, to the beach, to the mountains and to the Lord's open air church.... Much much more inspiring and thrilling..
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A building is not a church. The world is our church. Our ceremonies are in the country, in the forests, by the babbling brooks...

Very refreshing.
 
Davidjayjordan said:
You guys truly do love the church system and its indocrinations even if most of you go to the MOST HIGH CHURCH OF LUCK AND CHANCE AND RANDOM MUTATIONS.
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For real? There is such thing as this church? Cool! Where do I sign up?
 
Church system and indoctrinations? You mean science?

"Science" is about as much a "church" as a human is an ant.
 
Davidjayjordan said:
So Jack if you have a truth, don;t waste time, gather one, connect another and start a website with two truths.... precept upon precept, line upon line as the prophjet Isaiah said... as the Lord dictated..
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That is not what I was asking about. Here are my questions, simplified:

1) The Vatican, Scientology, and the House of Netjer all have websites. Are their messages truth?

2) Is it possible for someone to post untruth, either willfully or unintentionally?

These questions have direct bearing to the theme of this thread, since I am asking about specific Churchs' websites (and you maintain that Churches are evil) and also because you use the lack of websites as a means to dismiss people who criticize your ideas (without, I hasten to add, actually addressing the criticisms themselves). Please answer these questions.
 
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