Why are you all pretending?

[-Fran-]

We've invented plasma TV, think humans will evolve screens on our abdomens to stream movies?

We'd all turn into Teletubbies? What a nightmare

 

[thaiboxerken]

Brendy, do you not realize that most people use telephones to talk to people they know? Why do they even bother if they can just use their brain-radio?

 

[NeilC]

The problem is, there is no way for anyone to convince me what I believe is not real....

There is no way to prove that my delusions are not real because one of my delusions is that most people are pretending out loud that that telepathy isnt real. A definite catch-22....

Well, ok, if a medicine could make all the voices and thoughts i believe are being transmitted to me go away then it would be proven to me. I haven't found that yet.

Yes that does seem very much to be the basis of the problem. Clearly what is happening to you is convincing. Of course since it is your own mind creating these things it is going to be convincing - utterly convincing I'm sure.

Your self-created medicine test is not a valid test. Firstly it's quite possible there is a medicine that will stop it all but you have not found it yet. Secondly even if there wasn't it would not prove that the telepathy was real but only that psych medicine isn't perfect.

I think the main thing to bear in mind is that telepathy simply is not real. Every single test of a supposedly telepath has drawn a blank and there is no reason to suppose it has ever occurred.. Schizophrenia and other mental illnesses are however very real and you appear to have these sort of symptoms.

I'm also concerned that discussing this in such a way as to include experiments and proofs etc is not a good idea. It seems to me that it just offers a platform for your rationalising mind to come up with more and better arguments to support the delusions.

 

[technoextreme]

Because I believe one thing, I have to believe all conspiracy theories and everything that has ever been said? I don't understand your logic there.

I said I can fight somewhat. That is not a contradiction to anything I have said.

I did not say I could fool anyone. I just said if they are gonna pretend they can't read my mind, I'll just lie and they have to go along with it or admit that they can read my mind.

I want to prove telepathy is real! Then maybe people who are hurting me would be forced to stop. I have not said i didnt want to, I said I don't really want to meet any new people. Can you blame me? Even if they are delusions, meeting new people only make the delusions worse.

Self answering questions? I don't really know what you mean there. I have been struggling with this for over a year now so don't you think I'd have ask myself questions and answered them over this time?

How would textbook symptoms of schizophrenia make me a troll? They are textbook symptoms for a reason. By your logic all textbook cases of schizophrenia are fakers and therefore not be given medication.

How would doctor's not helping me, be a sign I was making this all up? Do you think every thing can be cured with a few trips to a doctor. I'm sorry to break it to you but there are not cures or treatments for everything.

Well it sure as hell ain't telepathy. If humans could comunicate using electromagnetic radiation we would have figured it long ago. We've got equipment that detects that sort of thing. Go get help now.

 

[Brendy]

It's not possible with our physical make-up. Of course, you're not talking about telepathy anymore, but radio.

Do you not understand the difference between brain waves and EMF?

I only guessed it was emf because of its speed. I don't know how it'd done right now. I'm not a neuroscientist.

So you think humans will evolve to fly? How about shooting bullets out of our butts? We've invented plasma TV, think humans will evolve screens on our abdomens to stream movies?

You seem to be implying evolution only applies to humans. Flight was developed in some animals. There is no reason why there has to be flying animals. The world would be different but life would have lived on with no flying animals.

You are exaggerated to try to prove your point. If you have to exaggerate to prove your point then usually your arguement is weak to begin with.

Spiders have venom, does that mean human's have to develop venom? No. Just like we don't have to fly.

Not just random. Different stresses can drive evolution in one way or another.

Like the inability to communicate with someone not in earshot? Before our technologies we didnt have this power. Telepathy could have filled that void. Your stress arguement only helps my theory.

WHAT?! Are you nuts? You don't think you can be tricked over the phone?

I meant you can't be tricked as easily. You know I meant that; you are just trying to be confrontational by saying that.

Our bodies just aren't built that way, we have no transmitters.

Nah, we don't have neural transmitters of any kind. We don't even communicate with our own bodies. God just has us on puppet strings and does all the work. There now i'm being rude.

 

[Lothian]

I already beat you to this joke, but thanks for your patronizing post!

I don't think you did. Perhaps someone made you think you said it.

Don't thank me for being patronising, it was a free package that came with my 'Being a tosser' kit.

 

[thaiboxerken]

I only guessed it was emf because of its speed. I don't know how it'd done right now. I'm not a neuroscientist.

Obviously. Think you can find one to talk to about telepathy? I'd think they would know something about it, if it were real. Which it is, because I'm the Dark Ox.

You seem to be implying evolution only applies to humans. Flight was developed in some animals. There is no reason why there has to be flying animals. The world would be different but life would have lived on with no flying animals.

Maybe, but I doubt it. The flying animals are a large part of the circle of life on earth. They help to distribute pollen and seeds to keep the world from being stagnant.

You are exaggerated to try to prove your point. If you have to exaggerate to prove your point then usually your arguement is weak to begin with.

Bull-snot. The exaggeration shows the weakness of your argument. You've said that if we can develop the technology, then we can evolve the trait as well biologically. This is wrong and backwards. We wouldn't invent the technology if we had the biological trait.

Like the inability to communicate with someone not in earshot? Before our technologies we didnt have this power. Telepathy could have filled that void. Your stress arguement only helps my theory.

We used written language to communicate outside of earshot. There really is no need for telephones and the WWW for our species, these are luxuries which we've come to depend on, but our species was hardly on the brink of extinction prior to these inventions.

Nah, we don't have neural transmitters of any kind.

We don't have EMF transmitters, there is a difference.

We don't even communicate with our own bodies. God just has us on puppet strings and does all the work. There now i'm being rude.

You're trying to equate our biology with technology that our physical make-up doesn't resemble.

 

[Brendy]

Let her decide. After all, I'm only offering her the opportunity to prove her assertions. If her assertions are provable, then we can determine if they are repeatable. Then we can determine how to block the (alleged) telepathy, perhaps with something a little more effective than the average tinfoil hat, eh?

There will be nothing to lose on her part or mine -- no risks involved. All she has to do is prove that her assertions are valid, and then we proceed to doing something about it.

If her assertions remain unproven, then nothing is lost.

If her assertions are proven, then I'll know whom to not play poker with, eh?

I don't play live poker anymore . Only online poker once in awhile. But eventually computer programs i think will dominate online poker and no human will be able to beat them. Just like no human can beat Deep Blue. All the top poker players know a computer program could be programed to play poker perfectly according to the odds and bluff optimally with game theory. I hope it was a guy I lost ten bucks to last night and not some computer!

 

[Brendy]

I don't think you did. Perhaps someone made you think you said it.

Don't thank me for being patronising, it was a free package that came with my 'Being a tosser' kit.

If you read the post where I state a lead room might be able to stop it and that a tin foil would not be enough, you'll see I did.

But we are being pedantic.

I'd have to agree with one of the posters though. If it was EMF it would have been easily detected. So i'm off to search for another answer for it. I got nothing else to do today.

 

[Locknar]

Because I believe one thing, I have to believe all conspiracy theories and everything that has ever been said? I don't understand your logic there.

I said I can fight somewhat. That is not a contradiction to anything I have said.

I did not say I could fool anyone. I just said if they are gonna pretend they can't read my mind, I'll just lie and they have to go along with it or admit that they can read my mind.

I want to prove telepathy is real! Then maybe people who are hurting me would be forced to stop. I have not said i didnt want to, I said I don't really want to meet any new people. Can you blame me? Even if they are delusions, meeting new people only make the delusions worse.

Self answering questions? I don't really know what you mean there. I have been struggling with this for over a year now so don't you think I'd have ask myself questions and answered them over this time?

How would textbook symptoms of schizophrenia make me a troll? They are textbook symptoms for a reason. By your logic all textbook cases of schizophrenia are fakers and therefore not be given medication.

How would doctor's not helping me, be a sign I was making this all up? Do you think every thing can be cured with a few trips to a doctor. I'm sorry to break it to you but there are not cures or treatments for everything.

BOLD added by Locknar

Holy lack of comprehension Batman!

I think the part in bold says it all; you are right, they are textbook symptoms for a reason....get help. Of course, by your reasoning (and I use that term lightly) I suppose all schizophrenics are being mind controlled?

 

[Fnord]

I don't play live poker anymore . Only online poker once in awhile. But eventually computer programs i think will dominate online poker and no human will be able to beat them. Just like no human can beat Deep Blue. All the top poker players know a computer program could be programed to play poker perfectly according to the odds and bluff optimally with game theory. I hope it was a guy I lost ten bucks to last night and not some computer!

But ... do you accept my offer to act as agent on behalf of those who (allegedly) can read your mind?

 

[EyeOn]

Well, as I said, if you can't be convinced that it's not real then you've made your mind up. No one can convince you that what you are describing isn't the way the real world works so you may want to move on to a "psychic support forum" where you will find others who see the world the way that you do. However, I think you've accidentally found a good resource if you are willing to listen. Think logically about a test that should be possible if these powers you believe in existed. One should be able to transmit information using those powers. That would be easy enough to test, and if by some slim chance you are right there is even a million dollar prize in it for you.

Now, the other option, you are "seriously schizophrenic." The symptoms you are describing match almost every criteria for this, also the age in which these symptoms began are in line with that diagnosis. You are now building stops in your mind to support your delusions, such as a mass conspiracy to just make you feel crazy, this is not healthy.



I think this guy is suffering from a mental illness, he hasn't shown any hostility so can we spare him ridicule?

Though I agree with the caution displayed here...I'd be short to call this 'mental illness' in the terms we define mental illness for the moment.

The OP evidently has misinterpreted what the OP senses around them. This lack of understanding causes confusion and when things happen that have less than adequate explanations, it can cause panic in some. Without any real knowledge into the life sciences, certain things that happen in the brain could make one seem mentally ill. This is perhaps due to the vocabulary chosen for description. Critics are too harsh when it comes to expression verses definition. What this person lacks to find is a definition to what this person is sensing in expression.

Brendy, the conspiracies you express are creative to what you think and can be exaggerated, but I'll say those expressions do have their skeletal definitions. You need to realize what is rational compared to what is irrational and it is irrational to think everyone around you is out to control you. This almost sounds like adolescent feelings emerging here. People who actually care about you will respond whether it makes you feel good or feel upset...they care enough to say something in the first place. You may well be mistaking their intentions to help you as ways to inhibit you. It helps to turn your own train of thought to what is rational and then seek answers to your perceptions.

 

[Tirdun]

If you read the post where I state a lead room might be able to stop it and that a tin foil would not be enough, you'll see I did.
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Let's take a step back, Brendy, and look at the issue here.

You've posted a long claim on a skeptical board claiming some inner knowledge of some kind of ESP. We, the resident skeptics, do not believe what you believe for two reasons: ONE: We've never seen any kind of real telepathy demonstrated to any degree that even hopes to approach scientific methodology and TWO: We did not share your experiences in this.

So, assuming you are serious, we're left in the same position we are always left in: asking for evidence. Just recently we had someone claiming bigfoot is not only REAL, it/they are in fact invisible energy creatures from another dimension. Before that was the Corn God guy who had been given secret knowledge from UFOs/God as to how to convert words and phrases into other words and phrases for all sorts of secret meanings. These are extreme cases, but they follow the same pattern: Big Grandiose Claim followed by ignoring demands for support followed by further claims and long discussion on the theory of why such things must be true.

I can't prove that you aren't in some sort of receiver of mental data. Even if we put you in a Faraday cage inside a lead vault inside a granite cave under 100 fathoms of water, we haven't eliminated every theoretical (and /or paranormal) system to beam things into your skull. We also have no real way to test your claims as you don't have a sender available who's willing to test out this transmission. So ultimately it comes down to your claims versus our skepticism of your claims. We believe you are wrong (for whatever reason) or lying (for whatever reason) because we can look back at a history of frauds, deluded people and other very pedestrian reasons as to why you might say what you're saying.

Without something to back up your fantastic claims you won't progress very far in convincing skeptics. Without a real system to test you we are forced to conclude things based on what we know and understand, and that knowledge and understanding of biology, information theory and human nature strongly suggests that ESP is impossible.

At this point the only reason to continue this discussion is to explore ways to test this claimed phenomena. As I said, that's going to be very difficult given only your descriptions of one end of it and your obvious belief that it is truly a paranormal event.

 

[blutoski]

I would say that the second reason I, specifially, am not accepting the claim is my familiarity with the delusion of control, aka the delusion of passivity. It's actually one of the more common delusions because it's associated with both mood disorders and psychotic episodes.

In my opinion, the most likely explanation is a mania with psychotic features. Only a psychiatrist is qualified to confirm, of course.

 

[bruto]

Well I have kinda misrepresented myself. I have some control. At least I hope so. . I can stop them from making me walk across a room. They can make me want to cross the room, but I can stop things which are not quick motions.
The problem is my mind is weaker when it comes to pain and pleasure. Some people can make voice impressions right? The have more control over their vocal cords than the rest of us. Same with memory recall. Some people have photographic memories, some don't.(actually it would be video memories, because when you think about it even I, who has a poor memory, see my memories as my video like than just a snapshot like a photo)
I can't stop these people from making me feel pain or giving me feelings of annoyance and such.

The voices are nothing. They don't even compare.


The thing that scares me is this story.

I was painting a shelf outside in my driveway in front of my car. The hood was about 4 feet away facing the shelf. I was painting white paint and my car is green. Awhile later, I moved my car and I noticed white specks all over the back of the car on the trunk. One of the voices in my head said they made me do this. I ran all the possibitilies of how this could have happened and I did not see how the wind could have made paint get on the back of the car but no where near the hood which was four feet away.

I have had episodes where my short term memory has been messed with. These people can make me forget memories (which mri studies have shown the brain is capable of doing to itself) . I'm very afraid that they completely controlled me for a short period, and I have no recollection of the events during this "painting of the car".

It's been proven to me that telepathy is real many times. I have fought them in thumb war, one of my thumbs vs the other! funny huh? But its true.

So i guess this conversation is gonna go nowhere because I came to the wrong forum to find someone who has had a similar experience. That's what I am looking for. I'm looking for someone, as you say, my own delusions.

No offense meant, but I think you have indeed come to the wrong forum if you want people to lie to you and reinforce your delusions. People here are trying, in various ways and degrees, to impress upon you that people who are not mentally ill do not share those delusions, and that help does not lie in finding birds of a feather here.

I can offer no better advice than those who have said "get help," except to try, within whatever framework you're working in here, to try to puzzle out why anyone who is not also stark raving mad would use the telepathic powers you claim others have to do such stupid, trivial and unrewarding things as splattering your car with paint. I am not trying to be facetious here. Use your imagination a little bit. If you could control other people, what would you have them do?

 

[Ron_Tomkins]

Doctor Sandman!

Paging Doctor Sandman!

Doctor Sandman to Ward Eight, please.

Doctor Sandman to Ward Eight!

Nominated.

 

[ferj]

Telepathy exists. Your posts prove that you have no personal knowledge or understanding of telepathy. You are a troll. Case solved. Have fun.

 

[kosai]

Telepathy exists. Your posts prove that you have no personal knowledge or understanding of telepathy. You are a troll. Case solved. Have fun.

Someone sounds jealous.

 

[Locknar]

Telepathy exists. Your posts prove that you have no personal knowledge or understanding of telepathy. You are a troll. Case solved. Have fun.

The irony, it burns......

 

[Blackwell]

Someone sounds jealous.

I agree.

It's quite sad. Telepathetic, even.