Who'll be the Dem's VP nominee?

[Stacyhs]

hmm...who thinks Biden may consider Tulsi Gabbard as VP?

I thought it was incredible that Gabbard endorsed Biden. But apparently she's friends with one of Biden's sons and says Biden has a good heart.

NO way. She isn't popular enough to gain him anything.

 

[fishbob]

It's Kamala Harris for Biden, I'm thinking Warren if Sanders gets it.

Stacey Abrams is too unlikeable, when she wouldn't admit she lost the election, she really turned off a lot of national potential.

Only among Republicans.

I think Abrams would be a good choice for a Biden VP.

 

[Stacyhs]

Only among Republicans.

I think Abrams would be a good choice for a Biden VP.

The fact she almost beat a Republican in Georgia says a lot for her. She received more votes than any other Democrat running for governor in Georgia history. Now, if she would just learn to spell her first name correctly...

 

[Distracted1]

The fact she almost beat a Republican in Georgia says a lot for her. She received more votes than any other Democrat running for governor in Georgia history. Now, if she would just learn to spell her first name correctly...

World has changed dramatically.
She is appealing, but her Statehouse experience does not give her the gravitas needed to be seen leading the Country right now.

 

[Stacyhs]

World has changed dramatically.
She is appealing, but her Statehouse experience does not give her the gravitas needed to be seen leading the Country right now.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

 

[wasapi]

I have been hoping Biden considers Amy. Anyone else think she and Biden would be a good team?

 

[quadraginta]

I have been hoping Biden considers Amy. Anyone else think she and Biden would be a good team?

I'm not sure that Pres and VP operating as a team has a great deal of historical traction anyway. Unless Ribbon Cutter and Substitute Campaigner count. First Ladies seem to have more claim ... and visibility ... for that concept.

Anyone remember this plaintive refrain;

 

[theprestige]

Only among Republicans.

Which makes her a bad choice for a Biden VP, going into the general election.

I think Abrams would be a good choice for a Biden VP.

You lost me.

 

[theprestige]

I have been hoping Biden considers Amy. Anyone else think she and Biden would be a good team?

In the American system, the VP functions as a spare president, not a contributing member of the President's team.

Unless you're envisioning some kind of Bush-Cheney thing, where Biden isn't competent to do the job, and Amy pulls all the strings from behind the scenes, and all of Biden's cabinet goes along with it because they all feel more beholden to Amy than to Biden anyway.

Hrm.

Maybe Obama-Biden is the better comparison. Maybe Amy can do for Biden's team what Biden did for Obama's team... Remind me: What did Biden do for Obama's team?

 

[Stacyhs]

In the American system, the VP functions as a spare president, not a contributing member of the President's team. Unless you're envisioning some kind of Bush-Cheney thing, where Biden isn't competent to do the job, and Amy pulls all the strings from behind the scenes, and all of Biden's cabinet goes along with it because they all feel more beholden to Amy than to Biden anyway.

Hrm.

Maybe Obama-Biden is the better comparison. Maybe Amy can do for Biden's team what Biden did for Obama's team... Remind me: What did Biden do for Obama's team?

The VP's input depends on the president. There are certain things by law only the VP can do but how much the president takes his/her ideas into consideration is up to him/her. The president can also appoint the VP to head certain tasks.

 

[Swordfishtrombone]

Tulsi Gabbard might be a smarter choise than anything else I've heare Biden considering - Amy Klobuchar is the likeliest choise though, I think.

Tulsi Gabbard might actually win over SOME support from the progressives, whereas Amy Klobuchar would not, even if progressives are pissed off that she endorsed Biden with Bernie still in the race. If she got the VP slot soon, at lest that would explain it.

Though there's a petition out there to have Biden pick Nina Turner as her VP. Unlikely? For sure!

But if he wants to win enough of the Bernie voters over to win the presidency, he'll have to do something as dramatic as that. Otherwise, I think that half the progressives that held their noses and voted for Hillary to avoid Trump, won't do it for Biden, this time, and he'll lose worse than Hillary did.

 

[Trebuchet]

The VP's input depends on the president. There are certain things by law only the VP can do but how much the president takes his/her ideas into consideration is up to him/her. The president can also appoint the VP to head certain tasks.

I think the only things that only the VP can do by law are
1) cast the deciding vote for a tie in the Senate; and
2) succeed the President if he dies, resigns, or is removed.

The Pres CAN, of course, task him/her with lots of stuff, or just let him take it over. US foreign policy was controlled by Dick Cheney for about six years.

You know who I'd have liked to see as the Dem VP candidate? Beto O'Rourke. With Liz Warren as the Presidential candidate.

 

[theprestige]

Lately I've been hearing rumors that it might be Joe Biden.

 

[Distracted1]

I'm not sure that Pres and VP operating as a team has a great deal of historical traction anyway. Unless Ribbon Cutter and Substitute Campaigner count. First Ladies seem to have more claim ... and visibility ... for that concept.

Anyone remember this plaintive refrain;

Pence is "in charge" of the response to the greatest crisis we have faced as a Nation since the 911 crisis (the response to which, Dick Cheney was "in charge of").

Recent history begs to differ.

 

[theprestige]

Pence is "in charge" of the response to the greatest crisis we have faced as a Nation since the 911 crisis (the response to which, Dick Cheney was "in charge of").

Recent history begs to differ.

The 9/11 crisis was handled pretty well, I thought.

Also, "greatest crisis since 9/11" isn't actually such a high bar. If 9/11 was worse than this, then we're in pretty good shape. Hell, this probably isn't even our greatest crisis since that Ebola scare a few years back.

 

[Cabbage]

The 9/11 crisis was handled pretty well, I thought.

Yeah, the invasion of Iraq was well planned and went spectacularly!

Also, "greatest crisis since 9/11" isn't actually such a high bar. If 9/11 was worse than this, then we're in pretty good shape. Hell, this probably isn't even our greatest crisis since that Ebola scare a few years back.

As usual, you are fooling yourself.

 

[Distracted1]

The 9/11 crisis was handled pretty well, I thought.

Also, "greatest crisis since 9/11" isn't actually such a high bar. If 9/11 was worse than this, then we're in pretty good shape. Hell, this probably isn't even our greatest crisis since that Ebola scare a few years back.

The point addressed was that VPs have played a larger role than their Constitutional powers suggest in recent history.

The nature and scope of the crises mentioned is probably a topic for one of the many other threads.

 

[quadraginta]

The point addressed was that VPs have played a larger role than their Constitutional powers suggest in recent history.

The nature and scope of the crises mentioned is probably a topic for one of the many other threads.

There's no question that Darth Cheney had an impact on the Bush presidency, But I think he's something of an anomaly.

I haven't seen any evidence that Pence is anything more than a front man for the Trump administration's lack of policy regarding Covid 19. What initiatives has he personally orchestrated and controlled? He's little more than a mouthpiece that stands next to Trump during the news briefings and reads the prepared statements that have words too big for Trump to be able to read for himself.

 

[DuvalHMFIC]

I think the only things that only the VP can do by law are
1) cast the deciding vote for a tie in the Senate; and
2) succeed the President if he dies, resigns, or is removed.

The Pres CAN, of course, task him/her with lots of stuff, or just let him take it over. US foreign policy was controlled by Dick Cheney for about six years.

You know who I'd have liked to see as the Dem VP candidate? Beto O'Rourke. With Liz Warren as the Presidential candidate.

You forgot "Lead viral pandemic effort" as well.

 

[Distracted1]

There's no question that Darth Cheney had an impact on the Bush presidency, But I think he's something of an anomaly.

I haven't seen any evidence that Pence is anything more than a front man for the Trump administration's lack of policy regarding Covid 19. What initiatives has he personally orchestrated and controlled? He's little more than a mouthpiece that stands next to Trump during the news briefings and reads the prepared statements that have words too big for Trump to be able to read for himself.

You are conflating Pence' efficacy at the role with the role itself.
He is being used as a figurehead (and possibly fall guy) for the Trump response- yet he certainly could be more than that without shocking anyone- because we are accustomed to the VP using powers outside their technical purview.