Tony Stark
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This election proves beyond question that Republicans are not reasonable people.
Who Won the Debate?
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Do you think your Fuhrer won the debate?She's 90/10 in this poll atm. This isn't a sane world.
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It's Führer, Tony. I think I'm going to report you for implying that I am a Nazi. Nah, that would be acting like a Nazi. Lucky you.
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Yeah, I don't have that symbol on the keyboard on my phone.
Didn't answer the question.
I don't care if you report me.
No they didn't. The CNN poll (which is Democratic Party leaning) gave it to Hillary but many of the others had Trump winning:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3809204/Most-snap-polls-Trump-winning-debate-landslide.html
By any rational objective measure Hillary wiped the floor with Trump but a large section, possibly the majority, of the US electorate is neither rational nor objective and so they perceived that Trump won the debate.
I expect him now to start establishing a lead in the national polls and start to edge the swing states.
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If you count online polls where Trump's minions can go vote as many times as they want. Which no rational person should.
And the Daily Mail? Really? Aren't you from the UK?
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It's an Umlaut. You can correctly write a word with an Umlaut by adding an e after the symbol close to what you fail to make available to you. Next time you want to imply that I'm a Nazi without getting reported, take the time to remember and write "Fuehrer".
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Nah, bro, I'm cool.
And so could have Hillary's and she is supposed to have the support of the young and tech-savvy. Old angry white dude only uses his PC to watch interracial porn, hipster uses her iPhone for everything.......
Really, you're starting to sound like Trump, claiming that the polls are fixed
Yes I am but they are referring to polls carried out by other organisations and channels. If their information is factually incorrect then please feel free to point it out but Trump was winning the snap polls conducted by:
- Time
- CBS New York
- Fox
- The San Diego Tribune
- Slate
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Online polls are completely useless and it is amazing you are arguing otherwise. They favor the side that has the most fanatical base, which Trump does. But in reality, while you can vote a hundred times on an online poll, you can only vote once in real life.And so could have Hillary's and she is supposed to have the support of the young and tech-savvy. Old angry white dude only uses his PC to watch interracial porn, hipster uses her iPhone for everything.......
Really, you're starting to sound like Trump, claiming that the polls are fixed
Yes I am but they are referring to polls carried out by other organisations and channels. If their information is factually incorrect then please feel free to point it out but Trump was winning the snap polls conducted by:
- Time
- CBS New York
- Fox
- The San Diego Tribune
- Slate
I saw online polls that said Bernie Sanders won debates like 90-10. How did that work out for him?
As poor as they are, they're the objective measure that we have. Over the next few days we'll see how the debate plays out in the "real" opinion polls.
You're claiming a Hillary win based on what ? Your own (highly partisan) impression ? A few talking heads in Washington and the media ?
If the Brexit vote taught me anything it's that the media and pundits have become detached from the electorate. The media and pundits, the comparatively impartial ones at lest, are making their judgement based on facts and logic. Large parts of the electorate do not do that any more (if they ever did).
Well Bernie never had the level of support in the polls that Trump has. Going into the debates he was within the margin of error. A perceived "win" in the debates could tip him into the lead.
Here's a short quote from a fivethirtyeight commentator:
http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/first-presidential-debate-election-2016/
In essence that may be all he needs. A third term for a party is comparatively unusual in recent times - moreso for the Democratic Party - so the deck is already stacked against them. After 8 years people typically want change and Trump has done just about enough to allow those who want change to vote for him
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I'm saying that most people thought that Hillary won based not only on my opinion but on real polls done by CNN and PPP, not garbage online polls where Trump fanatics could vote as many times as they wanted.As poor as they are, they're the objective measure that we have. Over the next few days we'll see how the debate plays out in the "real" opinion polls.
You're claiming a Hillary win based on what ? Your own (highly partisan) impression ? A few talking heads in Washington and the media ?
If the Brexit vote taught me anything it's that the media and pundits have become detached from the electorate. The media and pundits, the comparatively impartial ones at lest, are making their judgement based on facts and logic. Large parts of the electorate do not do that any more (if they ever did).
Well Bernie never had the level of support in the polls that Trump has. Going into the debates he was within the margin of error. A perceived "win" in the debates could tip him into the lead.
Here's a short quote from a fivethirtyeight commentator:
http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/first-presidential-debate-election-2016/
In essence that may be all he needs. A third term for a party is comparatively unusual in recent times - moreso for the Democratic Party - so the deck is already stacked against them. After 8 years people typically want change and Trump has done just about enough to allow those who want change to vote for him
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People make this comment often, but I think you have to look at it more closely. I agree that it's going to be a pretty rare individual who hasn't formed a predilection for one or the other at this point, but "pretty rare" is what? Say two in a hundred people? Maybe up to 3 or 4 per hundred?
That's not "impossible to find". In Florida? I'd say there are Jeb fans and Rubio fans and there are Cuban-Americans who think it's their historic duty to vote Republican.... and any/all of those could very well still be undecided. Finding twenty of them really wouldn't be impossible.
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And so could have Hillary's and she is supposed to have the support of the young and tech-savvy. Old angry white dude only uses his PC to watch interracial porn, hipster uses her iPhone for everything.......
Really, you're starting to sound like Trump, claiming that the polls are fixed
Yes I am but they are referring to polls carried out by other organisations and channels. If their information is factually incorrect then please feel free to point it out but Trump was winning the snap polls conducted by:
- Time
- CBS New York
- Fox
- The San Diego Tribune
- Slate
There was a concerted effort by the right to get out the "Spin Vote". I linked to one site that didn't quite say "vote early vote often" but they linked to about twenty sites that were having on-line polls as to who won.
On-line polls are meaningless. Just ask President Ron Paul or Nominee Bernie Sanders.
The PPP poll was heavily skewed in favour of Democratic Party supporters 41/32
That the "who won" question "only" split 51/40 in favour of Hillary means that Trump did a better job of persuading swing voters on this one.
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You don't know what you're talking about. Polling companies don't skew results by party, they report what the people who answered said their party was. Probably what happened is that lots of Republicans were embarrassed by Donald and told the pollster that they were independents. A common phenomenal. Especially among Republicans.
Fact remains that the real polls (the total garbage online polls are meaningless) say that Hillary won thus far. You're talking out your ass.
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Carry on believing what you want. It's only a few weeks ago that Hillary supporters were gleefully reporting that Trump had a 10% or 15% chance of winning - now that's close to 50% (and yesterday was over 50% on the "nowcast").
There seems to be a large number of people out there desperately looking for a reason to voter for Trump (or against Hillary). Every time Trump fails to say something outrageously racist, illegal or doesn't throw a hissy-fit at the smallest thing then those people's resolve is strengthened. This debate was a perfect example of what Hillary is up against. By any rational and objective measure she wiped the floor with Trump but even polls where there is a Democratic Party bias in the poll group had her "only" winning well.
OTOH an online poll where any and all could vote has Trump in the lead. Again echoes of Brexit where we were told to disregard these things because the real opinion polls were far more accurate.....