Jango
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A necessary question given the lack of specificity.
Who was in on the inside job ?
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A necessary question given the lack of specificity.
Nick Terry
Illuminator
But it's one that conspiracy theorists will never answer. The lack of specificity in their claims is a feature, not a bug.
Animal
Master Poster
I am guilty as well......I designed the office (and am part owner of the building) of the company that did much of the genetic testing.
Don't forget Otis Elevator. Although Ace Elevator had won the Twin Towers contract many years before, Larry Silverstein stuck with Otis with regards to WTC 7 right up until 9/11/2001.
Otis! My man!
Jango
Graduate Poster
Does LIHOP count as an inside job?
LSSBB
Devilish Dictionarian
Yes, however specifics are still needed. Who made the decision, and how was the "Let it happen" promulgated to those doing the letting, whoever that may be?
Athyrio
Hipster Doofus
This is one of my favorite 9/11 denier scenarios and it is hard to believe that the accusation still lives in 2015 but whenever I hear the old "first time in history" yada-yada-yada junk I usually retort with, "Well, it was also the first time in the history of insurance fraud that the culprit went before a camera and admitted to the crime, implicated his accomplices, AND STILL GOT AWAY WITH IT AND PAID OFF TO BOOT!
WilliamSeger
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"Truthers" don't seem to have any problem imagining that the perps were insane enough to concoct such a ridiculously complicated and unnecessarily risky plot, but how would you like to have been assigned the job of going around getting all those other folks to cooperate? "Hey, the Prez needs your help to kill a few thousand people so he can invade Iraq." How fortunate for them that those hundreds or thousands of accomplices apparently didn't include a single person possessed with a shred of human decency -- and not even a single Democrat still PO'ed about the results of the 2000 election -- who could have not only put an end to the scheme before it got off the ground, but sent all the perps to prison for a very long time.
One of the saddest things about the pathological psychology of conspiracism is the level of distrust required to believe this scenario; it must be horrible to live in a such a state of constant fear of virtually everyone else.
sts60
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And what part of working on DSN, or his undergrad degrees in physics and electrical engineering, qualifies him to render an expert opinion? Maybe it's just my impression, but engineers seem susceptible to this assertion of expertise in irrelevant fields when it comes to certain hot-button topics. Yeah, I have a physics degree too, and a masters in EE and one in another engineering field irrelevant to this topic. I also have a little graduate study and actual work experience dealing with materials failure and heat transfer. And I'm a firefighter with some training in building collapse. None of which makes me an expert in skyscraper collapse, and I certainly wouldn't sign a petition implying I was.
The kicker, though, is that he repeats the idiotic claim that the buildings were entirely turned to dust. That is simply false. Starting his "engineering" assessment with such a massively wrong premise is just plain incompetent (and that's the most charitable interpretation).
As far as "in on it", I volunteered (after 2001) with one of the fire depts. mentioned in Gravy's list. Some of the brothers I rode with responded to the Pentagon on 9/11. I literally trusted them with my life. It's not hard at all deciding whether to believe in them or a bunch of mendacious crackpots spouting absurd Rube Goldbergesque conspiracy fantasies.
Jango
Graduate Poster
It has been done before. Nicaragua, El Salvador, Iraq, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Philippines.
The US President killed a few thousand people in those places? By some secret never-before-seen mechanism of uber-thermate or whatever? And it went undiscovered for 15 years? No, that didn't happen. Enjoy your smug rejoinder, but it's meaningless in this discussion.
BStrong
Penultimate Amazing
Funny thing about the bolded.
Their was absolutely no secrecy involved in the military involvement in Salvador, there was press coverage and protests, and it was a budgeted item in the defense budget. and U.S. service members that served in country received an award of the AFE medal - there was nothing covert about it.
In Nicaragua, what little that was covert came out pretty quickly (mining of Corinto harbor, etc) and the 12-1-81 Presidential finding was an on-the-record directive.
How do we get from mobile training teams and training coin troops to 9/11?
Jango
Graduate Poster
Not really. The poster I replied to was making a moral argument.
WilliamSeger
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Clearly, you completely missed my argument.
LSSBB
Devilish Dictionarian
I think we're all ignoring the elephant in the room.
Hint: it starts with a 'J'
Hint: it ends with "ews".
Jersey Crews? That's Soprano territory.
BasqueArch
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You can't ignore the Italian elephant in the room.
Dave Rogers
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Sadly, there is a bug in the human psyche that sees "Let's kill thousands of foreign people" as vastly less of a moral concern than "Let's kill thousands of people from our own country." Hence, wars.
Dave
Jango
Graduate Poster
Even if they're poor? Republicans in Congress push for policies that would kill their fellow Americans or drive them to commit crimes, like stealing food because their food stamps were cut off so more bombs & bullets could be bought. Politicians are not idols of morality.
Jango
Graduate Poster
Okay. If it wasn't a moral argument, then what was it?