Who started both World Wars?

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aggle-rithm said:
This may have been true in ancient Egyptian or Assyrian times, when writing was rare and there was usually only one official account of historical events.

WWII is probably the most heavily documented event in history. Even before the internet, there were thousands of eyewitness accounts published; now, there are many more as anyone who participated in the conflict can record their memories for posterity.

In a sense, history is indeed determined by vote, because if there are a few anomalous accounts from crackpots among the many that are consistent with one another, it is reasonable to reject them as being erroneous.
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9/11-investigator wasn't there; therefore it didn't happen.
 
ddt said:
See Netherlands/Belgium 1830.
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You prove my point. Netherlands + Belgium was a monstrum created on the design table of Vienna. It fell apart after 15 years. CS same story.

Germans? They were residents of Bohemia who happened to speak German.
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And were treated accordingly by their Czech rulers:

The cruel persecution of the "Sudetendeutsche" ( = German speaking citizens of non-German speaking Eastern European countries) is reported in letters by Bruno Haase, a Jewish bank manager and chairman of the German music club and choral society "The Friends of Song" (Ger. "Liederfreunde") in Znaim. (Cat. Nr. 1520) In 1938, the musical life of German speaking citizens in Znaim had become "meschugge", the so-called "Repression Officer" (Ger. "Stillhaltekommissar") refused permission for the German speaking music societies to give concerts. The societies' financial capital was confiscated and "all these societies were now facing the drawn sword." In Haase's opinion, Hitler meant redemption from such misery. No wonder therefore that even this Jewish citizen of Znaim signed his letters with an enthusiastic "Heil Hitler!".
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Keep the arguments coming, ddt!

Do you mean the Czech republic or Czechoslovakia? CS means the latter.
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Probably, whatever.

The Czechs never threw foreign government officials out of the window in your worldview, I guess.
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I don't think that these 'defenestrations' had anything to do with foreign officials, it was religeous/local politics. But I don't really care about that subject now in this context.

The successor states to Austria-Hungary were carved out according to already existing borders - often existing for centuries. The current borders of the Czech republic go back to 986 at least.
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I never denied the existence of a Czech ethnicity, only that they were never very successful in gaining independence.
 
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aggle-rithm said:
Well, somebody's got to do it.
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What, killing? That seems to be your attitude indeed. Spending more on weapons than the rest of the world combined. Wonder where you guys are up to. Ah, I know, removing Saddam from power and handing Iraq over to Iran to the tune of 3 trillion $. Keep up the good work, guys! :D

Having military bases all around the globe and still whining about that evil Hitler who merely wanted his city back.
 
9/11-investigator said:
What, killing? That seems to be your attitude indeed. Spending more on weapons than the rest of the world combined. Wonder where you guys are up to. Ah, I know, removing Saddam from power and handing Iraq over to Iran to the tune of 3 trillion $. Keep up the good work, guys! :D

Having military bases all around the globe and still whining about that evil Hitler who merely wanted his city back.
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FYI, the topic is "Who Started WWII".

In my opinion, this is a meaningless question. It's like saying "who invented the laptop computer?" So many different people, organizations, and accidents of fortune went into developing the laptop as we know it today, it just doesn't make sense to ask someone to pick out an inventor.

The same is true of the question of who started WWII. There are many historical threads starting as early as the mid-19th century that led to the hostilities that sparked the war. If any one of them had happened a little differently, then the war might have fizzled out or never happened at all. More likely, it would have just taken on a different form.

Also, since targeting the moment that the war started is a completely subjective judgement, we can't even say for sure WHEN it started, which makes the question of WHO started it sort of moot.

So the REAL question is...what is the hidden agenda behind the question?

Are you trying to assert that the Jews started WWII? If that is your assertion, then perhaps you can stop trying to re-interpret well-understood events and instead state your evidence. If your case is as strong as you appear to believe it is, then this should not be a problem.
 
Oh, and about Hitler "merely wanting his city back"...

How could it be his city when he wasn't even a native of Germany?
 
9/11-investigator said:
You prove my point. Netherlands + Belgium was a monstrum created on the design table of Vienna. It fell apart after 15 years. CS same story.
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That was neither your point, nor that of your Führer.

9/11-investigator said:
And were treated accordingly by their Czech rulers:
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In, of all places, a collection of musical letters. The treatment of the Sudenten-Germans wasn't stellar. So what?

9/11-investigator said:
I don't think that these 'defenestrations' had anything to do with foreign officials, it was religeous/local politics. But I don't really care about that subject now in this context.
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The one of 1618 certainly had to do with Austrian officials wanting to impose RC on a protestant population.

9/11-investigator said:
I never denied the existence of a Czech ethnicity, only that they were never very successful in gaining independence.
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They were in 1918. Who would have stopped them? Austria-Hungary was disintegrated before the end of the war.
 
Lebensraum an "Anglo" lie.Here is a quote from 911's pinup boy

''Without consideration of "traditions" and prejudices, it [Germany] must find the courage to gather our people and their strength for an advance along the road that will lead this people from its present restricted living space to new land and soil, and hence also free it from the danger of vanishing from the earth or of serving others as a slave nation."
--- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

911,you know nothing at all about this subject but please keep flaunting your ignorance here,it is fun watching you make a dick of yourself time and time again.
 
aggle-rithm said:
Yeah, I know...but by then the city in question was no longer part of Germany.
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We're still talking about Bohumín, aka Oderberg?
After defeating Maria Theresa of Austria during the Silesian Wars, King Frederick II of Prussia annexed most of Silesia, although Oderberg remained in Austrian Silesia. The town successively became part of the Austrian Empire (1804) and Austria-Hungary (1867).
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It never was German in the first place.
 
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