Who started both World Wars?

[Tolls]

What I want to know is, considering what happened to Czechoslovakia after Hitler was given his way with the Sudetenland, how can anyone be at all surprised that the allies didn't believe a word he said when it came to Poland?

I don't know why I'm surprised, though...

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

What I want to know is, considering what happened to Czechoslovakia after Hitler was given his way with the Sudetenland, how can anyone be at all surprised that the allies didn't believe a word he said when it came to Poland?.

Nobody's surprised. The neo-Nasties are quite content to ignore the history in favor of the "the Nasties weren't really bad, they were being picked on!" school of thought. And you are supposed to play along by being stupid enough to fall for that. Hey, it worked for Adolf.

 

[9/11-investigator]

What I want to know is, considering what happened to Czechoslovakia after Hitler was given his way with the Sudetenland, how can anyone be at all surprised that the allies didn't believe a word he said when it came to Poland?

I don't know why I'm surprised, though...

Tolls pretends that Czechoslowhat was anything else than an artificial creation (like Iraq) made by the Anglos in Versailles in order to criple Germany. The country had no history whatsoever and committed suicide at the first opportunity after the fall of communism (your precious allie).

Europe 1914. Czechoslowhat, Poland... where?

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Tolls pretends that Czechoslowhat was anything else than an artificial creation (like Iraq) made by the Anglos in Versailles in order to criple Germany. The country had no history whatsoever and committed suicide at the first opportunity after the fall of communism (your precious allie).

Snork. With that chain of thought we should give Europe back to the Neanderthals.

Wait, if we do that the neo-Nasties will have the place.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Nobody's surprised. The neo-Nasties are quite content to ignore the history in favor of the "the Nasties weren't really bad, they were being picked on!" school of thought. And you are supposed to play along by being stupid enough to fall for that. Hey, it worked for Adolf.

Gawdzilla wants to sell the idea that I (a 'neo-Nasty') want to put Adolf on a pedestal via the back door. I could not care less about that. Gawdzilla ignores what I have said repeatedly: I am not defending Adolf but attacking Gawdzilla and his fellow Amurrikans and the rest of the commie loving assorted Anglos (and lefty islamophile neo-NSB-ers like ddt).

As we speak, the dummies of the white race, the Anglos, are now on top in the global pecking order as a result of the outcome of WW2, more precise the clash between the Russians and the Germans (not because of their own merit, except for the geostrategic strategizing of the Jewish elite that rules Anglosphere). Because they are the dummies of the white race they are now totally subjugated by the Jews. As a consequence Anglosphere is used by the Jews to subvert European society (both in Europe and America) from within, by opening the borders for hostile elements from elsewhere. The Jews are able to do so because they have historic lies accepted as truth (holocaust; WW2 as the good war; the most talented whites, the Germans portrayed as the devils, and the dummy American sheeple portrayed as saints).

So, if you don't like that situation (like I do), you have to write pamflets, that correct that picture. Not to organize meetings attended by millions on the Malieveld in The Hague and shout 'Heil Kees' to some Fuehrer du jour.

The goal is to rob the Jews of their self-serving dialectical instruments to play on our conscience with historic lies. And the internet unexpectedly gave those, who do not want to see Europe turned into a 3rd world jungle, that excellent opportunity.

And there is nothing you can do about it. And if Gawdzilla really thinks that 180 million obese and childless European Americans can continue their game for many years to come, than they will be in for a really nasty surprise.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I am not defending Adolf but attacking Gawdzilla and his fellow Amurrikans and the rest of the commie loving assorted Anglos (and lefty islamophile neo-NSB-ers like ddt).

Snork. I've killed more Commies that you have.

 

[ddt]

Tolls pretends that Czechoslowhat was anything else than an artificial creation (like Iraq) made by the Anglos in Versailles in order to criple Germany. The country had no history whatsoever and committed suicide at the first opportunity after the fall of communism (your precious allie).

Europe 1914. Czechoslowhat, Poland... where?

You must really be pleased with your own ignorance that you keep showing it off. Both the Czech part (dating back to the Przemyslid dynasty, from the same time as the Polish Piasts) and the Slovak part had a long history within the historical borders they got in 1919. The desire to make one country out of those two parts is comparable with that of the united Netherlands in 1815, and was agreed upon by prominent Czechs and Slovaks.

And why cripple Germany? Czechoslovakia has shown no aggression towards Germany in its inter-war existence. Moreover, it had been part of Austria-Hungary, not of Germany. The one who made that difference clear was Bismarck.

 

[ddt]

I am not defending Adolf

So why then do you parrot lies perpetrated by the most obscure non-historians?

(and lefty islamophile neo-NSB-ers like ddt).

You win the prize for the most contradictions in the fewest words.

So, if you don't like that situation (like I do), you have to write pamflets, that correct that picture. Not to organize meetings attended by millions on the Malieveld in The Hague and shout 'Heil Kees' to some Fuehrer du jour.

I've been on the Malieveld. And shouted something completely different. Like "Russian in the kitchen? - give him coffee" (at the time of the cruise missile debate). Which goes to show that people here who rip your distortion of history to shreds can come from completely different political backgrounds.

 

[9/11-investigator]

And now for real evidence? Irving is a serial liar. For instance, in Dahlerus' testimony in Nuremberg. From the third page:

So what relevance does it make what Meier says? Hitler is the one in charge.
And on the fourth page, in cross-examination:

So, Dahlerus concedes that whatever Goering might have said before, it was all a sham.


Hitler told his officers in May that Lebensraum was the primary objective.

ETA: waiting for the counterclaim that Dahlerus was tortured before his Nuremberg testimony.

Wait explain to me...

A. Well, before I mention what happened then, I should like to mention that I met Hitler on 1st September, immediately after his Reichstag speech in the Kroll Opera House. He was at that time exceedingly nervous and very agitated. He told me he had all along suspected that England wanted the war. He told me, further, that he would crush Poland and annex the whole country. Goering interrupted, and pointed out that they would advance as far as certain points. But Hitler was in an uncontrollable frame of mind. He began to shout he would fight one year, two years, and ended up in great agitation that he would in fact fight for ten years.

It sounds to me that Hitler is not carrying out a preconceived plan at all. He is in rage, he is frustrated, he is shouting threats. It means that things are not going at all as he wants them to go. I mean, he has the Molotov-Ribbentrop non agression agreement in his pocket. Er kann losschlagen.

So ddt, why do you think Hitler is in this state of mind?

 

[9/11-investigator]

Snork. I've killed more Commies that you have.

I believe you when you admit that you are a state sponsored killer. That was clear all along.

Then why are defending your alliance with the USSR?

Ah wait, you wanted to destroy Europe and divide the lot between yourself and your commie friends. I see.

 

[9/11-investigator]

So why then do you parrot lies perpetrated by the most obscure non-historians?

I told you my motivations. BTW Havel and Walesa were obscure at the time as well. They became presidents.

You win the prize for the most contradictions in the fewest words.

The NSB-ers collaborated with (German) occupiers. They deserved the bullet. You do exactly the same thing with these Islamic invaders. No, you are even worse. The NSB never invited the Germans, as far as I know. But your lot tries to push as many foreign new pvda-voters through our throats as possible. Conducting a policy against your own population is always a very dumm move. Dutch people are no Russian kulaks. You are playing the losing card my friend, as you are going to find out in this decade. Wilders is only a small sign of things to come. We are not going to give our lands away to the Islam.

I've been on the Malieveld. And shouted something completely different. Like "Russian in the kitchen? - give him coffee" (at the time of the cruise missile debate). Which goes to show that people here who rip your distortion of history to shreds can come from completely different political backgrounds.

So was I (I was a lefty at the time myself). I was against Europe being used as a military playground again for US and SU forces (although they now were hostile to each other for the simple reason that in the mean time the Jews had lost control of the USSR).

 

[9/11-investigator]

You must really be pleased with your own ignorance that you keep showing it off. Both the Czech part (dating back to the Przemyslid dynasty, from the same time as the Polish Piasts) and the Slovak part had a long history within the historical borders they got in 1919. The desire to make one country out of those two parts is comparable with that of the united Netherlands in 1815, and was agreed upon by prominent Czechs and Slovaks.

So why did this 'country' then fall apart at the first opportunity?

And why cripple Germany? Czechoslovakia has shown no aggression towards Germany in its inter-war existence. Moreover, it had been part of Austria-Hungary, not of Germany. The one who made that difference clear was Bismarck.

Cripple in the sense that millions of Germans were placed in foreign countries (like CZ), reducing the strength of Germany.

I never said that CZ was part of Germany, just that is was a country created out of thin air on the design table of Versailles, in stead of through historic struggle.

 

[aggle-rithm]

Tolls pretends that Czechoslowhat was anything else than an artificial creation

Unlike all those other, naturally-occurring countries.

 

[aggle-rithm]

So why did this 'country' then fall apart at the first opportunity?

The Jews weren't in charge?

 

[aggle-rithm]

I never said that CZ was part of Germany, just that is was a country created out of thin air on the design table of Versailles, in stead of through historic struggle.

I'd like to hear your rationale behind the idea that "historic struggle" is a prerequisite for being a country.

None of the former British colonies in the Middle East became nations through historic struggle. Do you think they should go back to the British? After all, they do have a historic claim.

 

[ddt]

Wait explain to me...

It sounds to me that Hitler is not carrying out a preconceived plan at all. He is in rage, he is frustrated, he is shouting threats. It means that things are not going at all as he wants them to go. I mean, he has the Molotov-Ribbentrop non agression agreement in his pocket. Er kann losschlagen.

So ddt, why do you think Hitler is in this state of mind?

Agitated? He finally got the war he wanted and that he had been cheated out of at the Munich conference.
Nervous? (1) The Polish army was not a walk-over, the tales of cavalry charges against tanks are a myth; (2) He still hadn't managed to keep England out of the war; (3) How would the reception at the home front be? There are many reasons why he'd been nervous.
Shouting threats? That was par of the course for him, wasn't it?

 

[ddt]

So why did this 'country' then fall apart at the first opportunity?

See Netherlands/Belgium 1830.

Cripple in the sense that millions of Germans were placed in foreign countries (like CZ), reducing the strength of Germany.

Germans? They were residents of Bohemia who happened to speak German.

I never said that CZ was part of Germany, just that is was a country created out of thin air on the design table of Versailles, in stead of through historic struggle.

Do you mean the Czech republic or Czechoslovakia? CS means the latter.

The Czechs never threw foreign government officials out of the window in your worldview, I guess.

The successor states to Austria-Hungary were carved out according to already existing borders - often existing for centuries. The current borders of the Czech republic go back to 986 at least.

 

[MortFurd]

Snip...

So, if you don't like that situation (like I do), you have to write pamflets, that correct that picture. Not to organize meetings attended by millions on the Malieveld in The Hague and shout 'Heil Kees' to some Fuehrer du jour.

I'd be quite willing to shout "Heil Kees" to Kees Flodder. NNSFW (Not Necessarily Safe For Work.)

 

[ddt]

Wins the thread.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I believe you when you admit that you are a state sponsored killer. That was clear all along.

Yep, raking in the cash at $250/month. I did it for the lols.

Then why are defending your alliance with the USSR?

Why didn't you complete school?

Ah wait, you wanted to destroy Europe and divide the lot between yourself and your commie friends. I see.

Yep. I want the Cote d'Azure. The commies can have all the shithholes. Where do you live again?