Who started both World Wars?

[Arisia]

What sort of proof would you accept, you who accepts uncritically the claims that the US and Britain were controlled by the Jews?

There will be no proof good enough for him to change his entrenched views, of course.

 

[dudalb]

Before too long, I think we will have a winner in that betting pool we had as to when 9/11 Investigator will have put everybody at JREF on ignore except for himself.

 

[dudalb]

I never heard of the Open Door Policy and the Nine-Power Treaty before, I am not a historian remember and anything that happens outside Europe and maybe Russia and America hardly interests me. Call me a racist.

You are a racist. And incredibly ignorant as well.

Like it or not, Non European countries are becoming more and more important by the day. My reading list for next year includes a number of books on Chinese and Indian history, on which I really don't know as much as I would like.

Not that you know much about European history and culture, though....

 

[Arisia]

I never heard of the Open Door Policy and the Nine-Power Treaty before, I am not a historian remember and anything that happens outside Europe and maybe Russia and America hardly interests me. Call me a racist.
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Now you are starting to come across as petulant teenager. You brought up Pearl Harbor, no one else on this board. As soon as people show the background behind Japanese and US relations, you wash your hands of it and say, well it is not my area of interest.
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I did not say I do not want to learn about it, just that I do not know. And I gave you the reason as to why I do not know.
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Which is it?

Frankly, international relations mean more than dealing with the other First World white folks in the world, at this point. Besides, how are you going keep track of the full extent of the evil that those nasty Jooz try to spread if you don't look beyond Europe?

 

[9/11-investigator]

Sometimes I wonder if this internet persona of yours isn't some silly game you're playing. No one can be this ignorant.

Or you are not paying attention. It was Chamberlain himself who confided that the Jews were pushing him into the war.

The American Secretary of State, James Forrestal, who later died in mysterious circumstances, wrote in his Forrestal Diaries (Cassel and Co., London 1952):

'Have played golf with Joe Kennedy [US Ambassador in Britain, father of President John Kennedy]. According to him, Chamberlain declared that Zionism and world Jewry have obliged England to enter the war.'

Don't trust me, after all I might be an antisemite for all you know. Trust Kennedy, the father of JFK.
Oh wait, the Kennedy clan was antisemitic as well. That's why JFK had to die...

 

[9/11-investigator]

Before too long, I think we will have a winner in that betting pool we had as to when 9/11 Investigator will have put everybody at JREF on ignore except for himself.

That is what you would like, you keep bringing this up. Unfortunately for you, the subject is simply too interesting. Not a chance in hell. You all love me too much, Stockholm style.

 

[aggle-rithm]

I never said that there is a Jewish hierarchy complete with #001 - #007
There is no hidden Jewish king to whom everybody obeys.

I spoke about the Jewish ruling class. They operate as a collective. The policy is made in think tanks and other Jewish organizations like AIPAC and is enforced via the Jewish controlled media. If a prominent person deviates from the line they are shouted down. Helen Thomas is a recent example. Read Mearsheimer and Walt on how the Iraw war came about.

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/john-mearsheimer/the-israel-lobby

Both parties are for more than 50% financed by Jewish organizations. It is impossible to become a presidential candidate without kosher screening.

Well, the thing is, an organization cannot be Jewish*. A class or a collective cannot be Jewish. Only people can be Jewish.

If the media are controlled by Jewish people, then who are these Jewish people? Give me names.



*Unless, of course, you have a definition for "Jewish organization". Is it an organization that only allows Jewish membership? One that is led by Jews? One that has goals designed to promote the Jewish agenda, whatever that is?

 

[9/11-investigator]

Well, the thing is, an organization cannot be Jewish*. A class or a collective cannot be Jewish. Only people can be Jewish.

If the media are controlled by Jewish people, then who are these Jewish people? Give me names.



*Unless, of course, you have a definition for "Jewish organization". Is it an organization that only allows Jewish membership? One that is led by Jews? One that has goals designed to promote the Jewish agenda, whatever that is?

Try google 'jewish media control'. Here is a start:

http://www.rense.com/general44/sevenjewishamericans.htm

Was in the news recently:
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world...-is-preventing-free-holocaust-debate-1.304108

 

[Corsair 115]

Translation: Corsair and I agree that Japan attacked PH because of the oil embargo imposed by the US on Japan so that the Japanese were forced to go after the Dutch East Indies. As Buchanan said: "no oil, no empire".

Still no mention of China, I see. I guess it didn't exist at the time and Japanese troops weren't engaged in the subjugation of the country?

About the Rape of Nanking:


Seems rather small as compared to the state sanctioned rape by your noble allie the USSR, who raped almost every German woman they could find:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2002/may/01/news.features11

Ah, you're back to your old "But the Allies did it worse!" defence. As if somehow that cleanses the sins committed by Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany.

Eisenhower alone killed 1,000,000 German pows after the war.

Utterly and totally false, as has been shown to you already. Your insistence upon repeating false and disproven claims will not magically make them true.

P.S. Corsair is the guy who earlier advocated the complete extermination of the civilian population because, you see, during the day they could work in weapons factories and hence support the war effort. His appeal to humanitarian values regarding his reference to the rape of Nanking rings hollow.

First, feel free to cite the line where I was explicitly "advocated the complete extermination of the civilian population". I do recall correcting your misconception that civilians are unimportant to the war effort of an industrialized nation-state. Since civilians are indispensable to the functioning of an industrialized nation-state, and since an industrialized nation-state is indispensable to the creation and maintaining of a large, well-equipped, mechanized military, it stands to reason that civilians are going to be a target. Or, more precisely, not the civilians themselves, but rather the work they do and where they do it. Wreck that, and you wreck the economy; wreck the economy and the nation must inevitably surrender as it can no longer sustain its fighting forces.

What I did was to show you what the strategic bombing offensive was, how it worked, and why it was conducted the way it was.

And I notice, you have still failed to address the fundamental point I made: no civilians, no economy; no economy, no military; no military, no war. Might you actually address this salient point someday? You can do so by demonstrating, for example, that German military production was all done by German military personnel. And how all the supporting production tasks were similarly done by military personnel and not by civilians or slave labour.

I note too you also still have yet to acknowledge the fact that the bombing campaign destroyed the German economy which in turn destroyed Germany's ability to wage war. I've provided links to relevant documents that conclusively demonstrate the pronounced effects of the bombing offensive on the German economy; the survey therein was conducted by direct examination of the Germans' own records and interviews with key German personnel. That is how the U.S. was able to conclude what worked and what didn't.

Or do 1,200 tanks without fuel somehow magically become effective and deadly fighting vehicles in your fantasy world? Do German soldiers push the tanks into battle? Maybe they used horses? Horse-drawn tanks, perhaps?

Second, I mentioned Nanking as an example of the brutality of the Japanese occupation of China, the reason the U.S. put an embargo on Japan. You left out this justification and reason for U.S. actions in your analysis. And when this was pointed out to you, more obfuscation on your part involving a great deal of hand-waving. Indeed, with the amount of hand-waving you're doing, it's amazing you haven't taken flight.

 

[Mirrorglass]

That is what you would like, you keep bringing this up. Unfortunately for you, the subject is simply too interesting. Not a chance in hell. You all love me too much, Stockholm style.

I'd say Bozo the Clown-style myself.

 

[aggle-rithm]

First, feel free to cite the line where I was explicitly "advocated the complete extermination of the civilian population". I do recall correcting your misconception that civilians are unimportant to the war effort of an industrialized nation-state. Since civilians are indispensable to the functioning of an industrialized nation-state, and since an industrialized nation-state is indispensable to the creation and maintaining of a large, well-equipped, mechanized military, it stands to reason that civilians are going to be a target. Or, more precisely, not the civilians themselves, but rather the work they do and where they do it. Wreck that, and you wreck the economy; wreck the economy and the nation must inevitably surrender as it can no longer sustain its fighting forces.

Absolutely. As I mentioned earlier, the US dropped propaganda pamphlets over Japanese towns saying, in effect, "we are going to be bombing your town at 3:00 PM next Thursday. Your government will be powerless to protect you. Get out now!"

Although the first few towns thought it was an empty threat, the rest figured out pretty quickly that they'd better pay attention to the pamphlets.

While the primary purpose was propaganda, it also saved many civilian lives. (Propaganda is wasted on dead civilians.)



If we really wanted to wipe out the civilians, why do this?

 

[aggle-rithm]

Was in the news recently:
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world...-is-preventing-free-holocaust-debate-1.304108

The provided link doesn't include this part:

Stone has since apologized for his statements.

Now, before you jump in and claim that this is another example of the Jewish "ruling class" keepin' a man down, like your earlier example Helen Thomas*, think for a moment about the many times a prominent figure has said something mind-bogglingly stupid to a reporter.

(By "mind-bogglingly stupid", I don't necessarily mean wrong. I mean a statement that is so controversial that it will clearly do nothing but bring disdain and ridicule upon the person saying it.)

Now, think of all the times that a prominent person has said something stupid that had nothing to do with the Jews. For instance, Jimmy the Greek saying a black man could never be a head coach in the NFL because black men were bred by slave owners for strength, not intelligence.**

Despite the fact that this had nothing to do with Judaism, his career was over just the same. What mysterious shadow group was responsible this time?

Or, could it be that saying stupid things in public might be detrimental to one's own best interests, with our without a Jewish-controlled media?

*Helen Thomas made the completely unreasonable demand, "Israel needs to get the hell out of Palestine", which is kind of like saying "the United States needs to get the hell out of North America".

**Although Jimmy may have been right about the breeding practices of slave owners, he was dead wrong about black coaches not being able to make it in the NFL. Black coaches have won several super bowls since then. In one Super Bowl a few years ago, both teams were coached by black men.

 

[abenja1]

That makes you a serial killer.

Nope that makes you the serial killer Mr. "I don't believe that Jews should have no rights of any kind."

You're a hypocrite CLAP CLAP You're a hypocrite CLAP CLAP

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Nope that makes you the serial killer Mr. "I don't believe that Jews should have no rights of any kind."

You're a hypocrite CLAP CLAP You're a hypocrite CLAP CLAP

Yeah, and he doesn't even know the difference between a serial killer, a spree killer and a professional killer.

 

[HawksFan]

And just think, if that admissions person at that art school had just accepted that short, dark haired, non-aryan, part jew, syphillys-suffering, couldn't make it over the rank of Corporal but thought he knew better than career military people how to wage war, third rate street artist from Austria none of this ever would have happened.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

And just think, if that admissions person at that art school had just accepted that short, dark haired, non-aryan, part jew, syphillys-suffering, couldn't make it over the rank of Corporal but thought he knew better than career military people how to wage war, third rate street artist from Austria none of this ever would have happened.

Or some other short, dark haired, non-aryan, part jew, syphillys-suffering, couldn't make it over the rank of Corporal but thought he knew better than career military people how to wage war, third rate street artist from Austria would have done the same thing. He didn't work alone.

 

[MG1962]

I am amazed that you bring this little fact up about your noble allie.

They only became an allie after germany attacked them. before that they were an allie of Germany

Yet there was no problem for the Anglo's fighting a war which handed over half of Europe over to the greatest mass murderer of history. So why was it the good war again? In whose interest was the outcome of the war? I know the answer but cannot say so, otherwise you might think I am an antisemite.

And who exactly was going to stop them. The world was pretty lucky Stalin didn't decide to go all the way to the French coast cause nothing the allies in Europe had was was going to stop them

Yep. If you want to see an Orwellian society in action why don't you go to Britain or the US.

I am in the US. You clearly know nothing about the United States, Great Britian or Stalin's Soviet Union to make that comment

 

[MG1962]

Or some other short, dark haired, non-aryan, part jew, syphillys-suffering, couldn't make it over the rank of Corporal but thought he knew better than career military people how to wage war, third rate street artist from Austria would have done the same thing. He didn't work alone.

Which is why by late 43' Both Britian and the US abandoned plans to kill Hitler, they felt that keeping him in power would shorten the war. And at least one sniper team was in place close enough to Eagle's Nest to take the shot

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Which is why by late 43' Both Britian and the US abandoned plans to kill Hitler, they felt that keeping him in power would shorten the war. And at least one sniper team was in place close enough to Eagle's Nest to take the shot

Concur. He was getting sicker and crazier, so replacing him with someone less sick and crazy would have been counter-productive.

 

[MG1962]

Concur. He was getting sicker and crazier, so replacing him with someone less sick and crazy would have been counter-productive.

Yeah his stella tactical decisions leading up to and including the battle of Stalingrad branded him as the second rater he really was.