Who started both World Wars?

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aggle-rithm said:
Congratulations, you've uncovered the previously unknown fact that Patton was an impetuous hothead. Hundreds of people who never went to high school or never saw the movie Patton will be stunned at this revelation.
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Pointed out to him in #1473 but of course he is not acknowledging that when a spot of quote mining and lack of context can "prove" his point.
 
9/11-investigator said:
About the Rape of Nanking:


Seems rather small as compared to the state sanctioned rape by your noble allie the USSR, who raped almost every German woman they could find:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2002/may/01/news.features11
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Far be it from me to justify rape under any circumstances, but the Russian soldiers were very, very, VERY angry about what the Germans did to their homeland. What had the Chinese done to the Japanese, other than to occupy the land they wanted for themselves?

Eisenhower alone killed 1,000,000 German pows after the war.
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I'm going to have to see some evidence for this.

P.S. Corsair is the guy who earlier advocated the complete extermination of the civilian population because, you see, during the day they could work in weapons factories and hence support the war effort. His appeal to humanitarian values regarding his reference to the rape of Nanking rings hollow.
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It's not just that they worked in weapons factories. Bombing the factories had little effect because a lot of the production (small parts like ball bearings) was actually being carried out in residential areas.

Towards the end of the war, Japan ordered all education shut down so that children aged 6 and up could devote all their time to war production.

There has probably never been a time in history when it was more appropriate to target a civilian population. Certainly, it wasn't the childrens' fault, but nevertheless, war production needed to be stopped.

(Besides, except in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the civilians were warned that their cities were about to be bombed and given plenty of opportunity to vacate.)

There was also a feeling during the war that the enemies in WWI had gotten off too easy, particularly Germany. Since the war never hit the German homeland, the people weren't affected enough by the war to oppose Hitler's military expansion when it occured a few decades later. The bombing of Hamburg and Dresden were the result of this thinking, and I'm sure the firebombing of some of the Japanese cities were influenced by this as well.

It seems to have worked. In general, German and Japanese culture today is strongly pacifistic.
 
I'm going to have to see some evidence for this.
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Numb/11 is referring to that idiot book Other Losses where the author saw a column for "everything else" in the POW disposition report and assumed, totally without support, that those men were dead from starvation. Morons keep quoting it long after it has been debunked by people who can read.
 
9/11-investigator said:
Apparently you are unable to summarize your point in a few sentences. Links are fine, but it is up to you to at least make your point.
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Why do you always respond as though the links I put in my posts are only or primarily for your benefit, or that they are required reading in order to understand what I've written? Anyone who knows what the Open Door Policy and the Nine-Power Treaty are would instantly understand my point, namely, that equal access to Chinese markets had been a longstanding American policy, predating FDR's administration by over 30 years; that Japan had previously agreed to respect that policy; and that Japan's war in China was violating that policy and therefore was in fact hurting US interests. I added the Wikipedia links for any readers who might be unfamiliar with those terms.

Now, let me ask a direct question: please explain, with reference to the Open Door Policy and the Nine-Power Treaty, whether you still believe that Japan's war in China was not harming US interests.
 
aggle-rithm said:
Please name five prominent leaders in America's ruling Jewish class.

If you cannot do so, I will have to assume you are making this up.
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I never said that there is a Jewish hierarchy complete with #001 - #007
There is no hidden Jewish king to whom everybody obeys.

I spoke about the Jewish ruling class. They operate as a collective. The policy is made in think tanks and other Jewish organizations like AIPAC and is enforced via the Jewish controlled media. If a prominent person deviates from the line they are shouted down. Helen Thomas is a recent example. Read Mearsheimer and Walt on how the Iraw war came about.

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/john-mearsheimer/the-israel-lobby

Both parties are for more than 50% financed by Jewish organizations. It is impossible to become a presidential candidate without kosher screening.
 
SpitfireIX said:
Why do you always respond as though the links I put in my posts are only or primarily for your benefit, or that they are required reading in order to understand what I've written? Anyone who knows what the Open Door Policy and the Nine-Power Treaty are would instantly understand my point, namely, that equal access to Chinese markets had been a longstanding American policy, predating FDR's administration by over 30 years; that Japan had previously agreed to respect that policy; and that Japan's war in China was violating that policy and therefore was in fact hurting US interests. I added the Wikipedia links for any readers who might be unfamiliar with those terms.

Now, let me ask a direct question: please explain, with reference to the Open Door Policy and the Nine-Power Treaty, whether you still believe that Japan's war in China was not harming US interests.
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I never heard of the Open Door Policy and the Nine-Power Treaty before, I am not a historian remember and anything that happens outside Europe and maybe Russia and America hardly interests me. Call me a racist.

Maybe that these 2 thingies somehow did indeed hurt American interests like reduced availability of sushi or something. But I doubt that it represented a vital interest like the oil was for the Japanese.
 
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I never heard of the Open Door Policy and the Nine-Power Treaty before, I am not a historian remember and anything that happens outside Europe and maybe Russia and America hardly interests me. Call me a racist.
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Not a historian eh? That's pretty bloody clear.

The US blocked oil exports to Japan in 1941, in response to Japan invading southern Indochina. Economic sanctions in an effort to prevent wars are generally seen as a good thing, you know.
 
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dafydd said:
Woonde gij in een beschermde werkplaats,mijn kleine rechtse kaaskop?
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:D :D :D

You live(d) in Belgium?
The Dutch is impeccable, but the idiom is Flemish (in NL, it would be a "sociale werkplaats", and we only use "gij" to address the Lord).
 
9/11-investigator said:
I never heard of the Open Door Policy and the Nine-Power Treaty before, I am not a historian remember and anything that happens outside Europe and maybe Russia and America hardly interests me. Call me a racist.
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Now you are starting to come across as petulant teenager. You brought up Pearl Harbor, no one else on this board. As soon as people show the background behind Japanese and US relations, you wash your hands of it and say, well it is not my area of interest.

When the massacre of Nanking is mentioned, your only response is. Well it is no worse than what Stalin did. Two wrong dont make a right. The further difference in the two cases is secrecy.

The Soviets were amazing at their ability to cover up. The 1936 census showed a 10% drop in population. Stalin had all the census people shot, and all copies of the data destroyed. It is only an accident today we know any of this happened.

When Germany began planning for the invasion of Russia in WW2 - their inteligence suggested the Soviets had 105 divisions operational. By Christmas that year The Germans had destroyed 110 divisions and now the estimate suggested the Soviets were still able to field at least another 115 divisions.

The west knew Stalin was a bastard, it was only in 1953, well after the war, that the world and even most Russians realised just how big a bastard he'd been.

To understand Soviet Russia of that era I would highly recommend reading 1984 by George Orwell - It is actually about conditions in the Soviet Union in 1948, and written by a publically declared socialist. Very eye opening
 
MG1962 said:
Now you are starting to come across as petulant teenager. You brought up Pearl Harbor, no one else on this board. As soon as people show the background behind Japanese and US relations, you wash your hands of it and say, well it is not my area of interest.
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I did not say I do not want to learn about it, just that I do not know. And I gave you the reason as to why I do not know.

When the massacre of Nanking is mentioned, your only response is. Well it is no worse than what Stalin did. Two wrong dont make a right. The further difference in the two cases is secrecy.
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I love this naivite. MG has forgotten that Stalin was his allie but that Japan was not. Yet the Japanese attrocities are marketed as the reason why America, the eternal planetary do-gooder, intervened. Anglo=hypocrite.

The Soviets were amazing at their ability to cover up. The 1936 census showed a 10% drop in population. Stalin had all the census people shot, and all copies of the data destroyed. It is only an accident today we know any of this happened.
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I am amazed that you bring this little fact up about your noble allie.

The west knew Stalin was a bastard, it was only in 1953, well after the war, that the world and even most Russians realised just how big a bastard he'd been.
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Yet there was no problem for the Anglo's fighting a war which handed over half of Europe over to the greatest mass murderer of history. So why was it the good war again? In whose interest was the outcome of the war? I know the answer but cannot say so, otherwise you might think I am an antisemite.

To understand Soviet Russia of that era I would highly recommend reading 1984 by George Orwell - It is actually about conditions in the Soviet Union in 1948, and written by a publically declared socialist. Very eye opening
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Yep. If you want to see an Orwellian society in action why don't you go to Britain or the US.
 
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aggle-rithm said:
Congratulations, you've uncovered the previously unknown fact that Patton was an impetuous hothead. Hundreds of people who never went to high school or never saw the movie Patton will be stunned at this revelation.
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To be fair, those of us not educated in the USA (and Luxemberg - isn't he a hero there or something?) and didn't do modern history at school (Tudors and Stuarts for me) know sod all about Patton; apart from the film. A lot of us haven't seen that either.

Now, back to the scheduled comedy.
 
9/11 said

Yep. If you want to see an Orwellian society in action why don't you go to Britain or the US
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Now that is the statement of completely insane person
 
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9/11-investigator said:
It is a matter of l'histoire se répète. The standard dynamics here is that the Jews infiltrate some society, increase their power due to their networking, until it becomes obvious that they are taking over the place. Than there is usually uhhh, a reaction.
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So much for your theory, then, that the Jews have a master plan. Obviously, since you're aware of it, and they fail each time, we need not worry.
 
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