Who started both World Wars?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I see we're going to have to call Orkin on this one.

 

[9/11-investigator]

I see we're going to have to call Orkin on this one.

Gawdzilla is leaving the realm of discussion and has entered the stage of bullets and poison gas.

Others here will maintain that this is 'humor'. I say the Gawdzilla is losing the battle on the decisive level, namely the moral one. That's why Anglo's lose everywhere.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_generation_warfare

Fourth generation warfare is normally characterized by a violent non-state actor (VNSA) fighting a state. This fighting can be physically done, such as by modern examples Hezbollah or the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE). In this realm the VNSA uses all three levels of fourth generation warfare. These are the physical (actual combat; it is considered the least important), mental (the will to fight, belief in victory, etc) and moral (the most important, this includes cultural norms, etc) levels.

http://www.antiwar.com/lind/index.php?articleid=1702

Gawdzilla personifies the noisy top gun idiot ("enemy at three o'çlock"), the adherent to mindless violence but who never knows why he is fighting. 'Fortunately' his overlords are doing the thinking for him and off GZ goes, to some remote land, sitting in a barack, because outside he will be killed or maimed by a roadside bomb, operated by a lowtech goatkeeper, who knows why he is fighting.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

*pat, pat, pat*

 

[Belz...]

Gawdzilla is leaving the realm of discussion and has entered the stage of bullets and poison gas.

If that gas is as deadly as Zyklon B is to you, we should be in no danger.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

If that gas is as deadly as Zyklon B is to you, we should be in no danger.

We could send knot/11 to the showers to find out?

 

[twinstead]

I don't know about you folks, but i'll tell you if I hear one more horribly biased cult member or conspiracy theorist say "it's because you don't want to see" I'm going to scream.

Yea, MM. It's because we "don't want to see". I mean, why ELSE would basically every rational person on Earth disagree with you?

 

[SanityGap]

Time to kitten up.

 

[CptColumbo]

Would it help to also bring up the sinking of the USS Panay? or does that just complicate matters more?

I realize some people have a problem looking at the big picture and want only simple answers to complicated issues.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Would it help to also bring up the sinking of the USS Panay? or does that just complicate matters more?

I realize some people have a problem looking at the big picture and want only simple answers to complicated issues.

And, of course, Herbert Feis.

Oh wait, he might be Jewish. Can't mention him.

So I won't.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Time to kitten up.

[qimg]http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/poltitical-pictures-nazis-kitten-make-talk.jpg[/qimg]

I collect compilations of private war time photos of German armoured vehicles through Concord Publishing. In every photo compilation there is a least one photo of happy SS officers with a pony, a kitten or a puppy. It simply reinforces in my mind that a mass murderer can be a good father but the person is still a mass murderer and must be charged accordingly. It is yet another annoying aspect of the war in that some of these people may have done great things for earth if the Nazis never arose.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

For your collection, M.E.

 

[dafydd]

I collect compilations of private war time photos of German armoured vehicles through Concord Publishing. In every photo compilation there is a least one photo of happy SS officers with a pony, a kitten or a puppy. It simply reinforces in my mind that a mass murderer can be a good father but the person is still a mass murderer and must be charged accordingly. It is yet another annoying aspect of the war in that some of these people may have done great things for earth if the Nazis never arose.

''The damage that the Nazis did to the art of living will never be fully calculated''-Peter Ustinov.

 

[BaaBaa]

For your collection, M.E.

[qimg]http://random-gif.com/gif/Nazi%20break%20dance.gif[/qimg]

"HALT! Hammerzeit!"

 

[Matthew Ellard]

For your collection, M.E.

[qimg]http://random-gif.com/gif/Nazi%20break%20dance.gif[/qimg]

Thank you Gawdzilla. You seem to have a bottomless drawer of all the things that make me laugh.

 

[LashL]

This thread is being temporarily closed while it is cleaned up and the discussion about the Holocaust is split to its own thread. It will reopen when that task is complete.

ETA: Holocaust denial discussion has been split to a separate thread here.

Thread reopened.

Posted By: LashL

 

[9/11-investigator]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkeCUyMph40

16 part video (German). It took me some time to find this back.

2 present day historians and a militaryman (general staff member) give a different picture about how ww2 came about. Slightly revisionist view points, to put it mildly. All Germans.

Theme: who started WW2.

Video #2 Wer wollte den Krieg? (2 von 16) 1:20 talk about essential forgery committed in Nuremberg in alleged Hitler speech that justifies Poland attack... there were several attemps by the Germans to get third parties to mediate in order to avoid the clash. This comment describes the forgery:

22.8.1939 -- sog. Schweinehund-Rede Von dieser Besprechung existierten nicht weniger als sechs Fassungen, die mitunter erheblich voneinander abweichen. Dokument L-3 über die Besprechung vom 22. August 1939 schließt mit den Worten: „Die Rede wurde mit Begeisterung aufgenommen. Göring stieg auf den Tisch. Blutrünstiger Dank und blutrünstiges Versprechen. Er tanzte wie ein Wilder herum. Die wenigen Bedenklichen schwiegen." Schon der gesunde Menschenverstand sagt uns, daß hier etwas nicht stimmen kann. Dieser Bericht ist so offenkundig unglaubhaft, daß jede ins einzelne gehende Quellenkritik reine Zeitverschwendung wäre. Selbst die alliierte Anklagevertretung hat es nicht gewagt, das Dokument besonders herauszustellen. Zwei weitere, ebenfalls in Nürnberg vorgelegte Berichte 798-PS und 1014-PS tragen kein Datum, keine Unterschrift, sind ohne Kopf und ohne Geheimvermerk. Wir haben also nicht mehr als einige zusammengeheftete Schreibmaschinenseiten, von denen nicht einmal sicher ist, wo sie aufgefunden wurden. Dafür ist ihr Inhalt um so markiger. Aus einer dieser anonymen Quellen stammt der berühmt-berüchtigte Ausspruch Hitlers: „Ich habe nur Angst, daß mir noch im letzten Moment irgendein Schweinehund einen Vermittlungsplan vorlegt." Dieser Satz ist eine reine Erfindung. Daß Hitler sich nicht so ausgedrückt hat, haben übereinstimmend die Zeugen RAEDER, VON MANSTEIN und BOEHM bekundet. In den übrigen drei Fassungen fehlt dann auch eine solche Bemerkung

 

[TSR]

This comment describes the forgery

.
No, that comment implies a forgery, without a speck of evidence to support such an accusation.

Are you going to continue dodging the questions put to you in this thread?
.

 

[Corsair 115]

Are you going to continue dodging the questions put to you in this thread?

Well, let's be fair, it's the only move he's got left. Certainly the facts aren't on his side.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Later today I will give a summary of these videos. Here some additional material about the General-Major, Gerd Schultze-Rhonhof:

This is his book: http://www.amazon.de/1939-Krieg-Anlauf-Zweiten-Weltkrieg/dp/3789281174

This is the author:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerd_Schultze-Rhonhof
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerd_Schultze-Rhonhof

Reviews:
http://www.inkultura-online.de/rhonhof.html

Here Gerd Schultze-Rhonhof's speech from 2006 in 1 video (55 min.):
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=319478826869706304#docid=4269536375438116428

Negative reviews from the system media:
Frankfurter Algemeine Zeitung

Interesting, no references in the 2 big German media: Spiegel and Zeit. This is a General-Major who is writing here. He is a Christian and no 'right-wing extremist'. One could suspect that the Spiegel and Zeit don't really have an answer.

Support for the thesis of Schulze:
http://www.ifz-muenchen.de/heftarchiv/1966_4.pdf

Am 21. Juli 1939 flog Wohlthat nach Berlin zurück
130. Er unterrichtete Göring über seine Gespräche in London und fertigte für seinen Chef einen Bericht („Vermerk") an über seine Unterredung mit Wilson, Hudson und Ball131. Göring war von dem Bericht „sehr beeindruckt"132; er erklärte Gritzbach gegenüber, „daß
er mit Hitler darüber sprechen" werde, vorher wolle er sich aber vielleicht noch einmal mit dem britischen Botschafter Henderson, mit dem er einen „guten Kontakt" hatte, unterhalten133. Einen Tag nach Wohlthats Abreise aus London, am 22. Juli, erschienen in der
britischen Presse „phantastische und absurde Berichte" über den Inhalt der Besprechungen Wohlthats mit Hudson und Wilson134. Damit war gerade das eingetreten, was besonders die englische Seite hatte vermeiden wollen.

Here is the autors site with a summary of his views: http://www.vorkriegsgeschichte.de/

Here the wiki entry for the second speaker Stefan Scheil: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Scheil
He is in agreement with David Irving about the corruption of Churchill financed by 'certain circles' in London.
Personal page: http://www.stefanscheil.gmxhome.de/Editorial.htm
FAZ on Scheil
Here Scheil's revisionist site: http://www.vernichtungskrieg.de/editorial.htm

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]