Who started both World Wars?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

They fought the largest battle in history, against an enemy that overwhelmingly outnumbered them and they lost.

Losers, then.

 

[9/11-investigator]

No, they wanted to be the most murderous regime that ever existed.

No they did not. Before the beginning of WW2 the Soviets had killed millions of their own people, the Nazis hundreds.

... who treacherously honored their commitment to the Poles when the Nazi regime invaded them without justification.

That is the old baloney that is so easy to dismiss. The British did not honor anything to the Poles. Chamberlain blundered himself into a Phoney war, were nothing much happened. The real agression started due to the actions of Churchill, who had basically hijacked Britain to fight for Jewish interests. At the end of the day Poland was handed over to the Soviets on a silver platter in Teheran/Yalta without a peep.

But the Nazi's still would have lost, because the actual most treacherous people in Europe, the Nazi's, broke faith with their own allies, the Soviet Union, and thereby forced the Soviets to switch sides and guarantee that the Nazis would be overwhelmingly outnumbered.

The Germans could have had the USSR if they had not been forced to open a second front, namely the western front in May 1940.

So, basically, the Nazis lost because they had neither military, economic, nor diplomatic ability.

They lost because they did not expect the British to act against their own interest. Again, their colossal mistake: they overestimated the British. British are no Europeans. The British got their chance to destroy Europe and they acted upon it. When America will vanish from the page of time somewhere in this decade the Europe (incl. the post-Soviet Russians) needs to deal with Britain.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

If logic were added to the above it would just vanish in a puff of smoke.

 

[Hans]

Sheesh the Dutch guy does really live in a fantasy land

 

[Arisia]

Is there _anything_ about your opinions that doesn't hinge on race or nationality ?

C'mon, Belz..., you gotta know by now... 'If it's nae Dutch, it's crrrap!'

 

[TSR]

The Germans could have had the USSR if they had not been forced to open a second front, namely the western front in May 1940.

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The *second* front was the Eastern Front, since that front didn't open until Germany broke the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact in mid-'41. In fact, far from "having" the Soviets, Germany had invited the Soviets into the Axis back in '40

Seriously, learn some history.
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[Gawdzilla Sama]

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The *second* front was the Eastern Front, since that front didn't open until Germany broke the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact in mid-'41. In fact, far from "having" the Soviets, Germany had invited the Soviets into the Axis back in '40

Seriously, learn some history.
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You should have given him a Youtube link. I don't think READING is in the cards.

 

[JimBenArm]

You should have given him a Youtube link. I don't think READING is in the cards.

At least not reading for comprehension.

 

[abenja1]

No they did not. Before the beginning of WW2 the Soviets had killed millions of their own people, the Nazis hundreds.



That is the old baloney that is so easy to dismiss. The British did not honor anything to the Poles. Chamberlain blundered himself into a Phoney war, were nothing much happened. The real agression started due to the actions of Churchill, who had basically hijacked Britain to fight for Jewish interests. At the end of the day Poland was handed over to the Soviets on a silver platter in Teheran/Yalta without a peep.



The Germans could have had the USSR if they had not been forced to open a second front, namely the western front in May 1940.



They lost because they did not expect the British to act against their own interest. Again, their colossal mistake: they overestimated the British. British are no Europeans. The British got their chance to destroy Europe and they acted upon it. When America will vanish from the page of time somewhere in this decade the Europe (incl. the post-Soviet Russians) needs to deal with Britain.

You seriously wish you knew history.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Nine/11, give me a mailing address, please, I have something for you.

 

[ddt]

Awww and you are so cute - you think the Germans fought the big bully Russians all by themselves?

Zhukov didn't mind that the armies to the flanks of Paulus' 6th army were Romanian and Italian.

 

[MG1962]

Zhukov didn't mind that the armies to the flanks of Paulus' 6th army were Romanian and Italian.

Or that Hitler kept sticking his rubber neck in everyting either

And as a matter of honour, lets not forget the Hungarians and Croats who also enjoyed Zhukovs hospitality on the banks of the Volga

 

[Shangrila]

They are, but they where outnumbered 7:1, too much even for them. Again, the Soviets defeated the Nazies while you were drinking tea at the safe side of the Channel and postponed joining the party until it was almost over. Once the Amis are on their own they are Clouseau's.

The Germans could have had the USSR if they had not been forced to open a second front, namely the western front in May 1940.

Hmm, there is only one way to logically hold both of the above to be true. Namely, the WAllies postponed joining the party until it was almost over, almost over as in Germany winning. However, the Anglos were so awesome that they didn't need any help at all, and crushed Germany at the cusp of its victory in the timespan between almost over and over.

Strange, I never would have thought 9/11 to be such a fan of the Anglos. He must truly admire and seek to emulate that great patron of Anglo unity and strength, Winston Churchill.

 

[Corsair 115]

It's pretty much a religious devotion at this point. His friends can do no wrong, while us 'anglos' are evil incarnate.

What's ironic about that is that it was 'anglo' forces (largely Canadian) which liberated Holland from the German occupation, an occupation that had caused considerable starvation amongst the population. I guess in our intrepid 9-11 investigator's eyes the Nazis left the country in fine condition and it was those nasty, nasty 'anglo' types which came in, wrecked the country, and caused all that misery.

I wonder if 9/11-investigator actually tells any of his fellow Dutch citizens about his views. I'd have to think any of them who were around at the time the Germans were running the country would quickly smack him in the face.

 

[Corsair 115]

They are, but they where outnumbered 7:1, too much even for them. Again, the Soviets defeated the Nazies while you were drinking tea at the safe side of the Channel and postponed joining the party until it was almost over.

And once again you ignore the fact that it was Allied air power which crippled Germany's ability to wage war by wrecking the economy which supported it. You can have the greatest military in the world, but without food, fuel, and ammunition, it won't be fighting effectively for very long.

I'll quote yet again from the U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey Summary Report (European War), to illustrate the degree to which the progessive destruction of the German oil industry affected its military capabilities:

When the Germans launched their counter-offensive on December 16, 1944, their reserves of fuel were insufficient to support the operation. They counted on capturing Allied stocks. Failing in this, many panzer units were lost when they ran out of gasoline. In February and March of 1945 the Germans massed 1,200 tanks on the Baranov bridgehead at the Vistula to check the Russians. They were immobilized for lack of gasoline and overrun.

Compared to an economically unhindered enemy, it's an considerably easier task to beat the enemy when his military operations depend on capturing fuel supplies in order to succeed, and an even easier task to beat the enemy when his armoured forces are unable to function due to a lack of fuel.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

British are no Europeans..

That's right. Everyone knows the Normans who invaded Britain were Chinese and not from Normandy at all. The Angles, Jutes and Saxons that the Normans conquered didn't come from Saxony or north europe at all but were really from the Nile Delta. Her Majesty, Elizabeth Battenberg ( aka Mountbatten, Windsor) and her hubby Phil "the Greek" from the Danish Royal Family are actually Pakistani.

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

What's ironic about that is that it was 'anglo' forces (largely Canadian) which liberated Holland from the German occupation, an occupation that had caused considerable starvation amongst the population. I guess in our intrepid 9-11 investigator's eyes the Nazis left the country in fine condition and it was those nasty, nasty 'anglo' types which came in, wrecked the country, and caused all that misery.

I wonder if 9/11-investigator actually tells any of his fellow Dutch citizens about his views. I'd have to think any of them who were around at the time the Germans were running the country would quickly smack him in the face.

Ah but there's the thing. There aren't so many around any more, which is why that kind of thinking seems to take root now. After all its easier to deny everything when most eyewitnesses are dead. Three of my grandparents lived trough the hunger winter by walking to farms daily about 40-50 kms because the nazi occupiers didn't care about what happened to the civilian population and distribute what food there was. The fourth was slightly better off because he got to work in germany. And by got to work I mean he was carted off at gunpoint and put on a german farm with a 'work here or die' choice.

But hey, they made it all up eh?

 

[9/11-investigator]

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The *second* front was the Eastern Front, since that front didn't open until Germany broke the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact in mid-'41. In fact, far from "having" the Soviets, Germany had invited the Soviets into the Axis back in '40

Seriously, learn some history.
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TSR tries to score some nitpicking points. The war started in 1939 in the east. The other one in the west in 1940. Hence the name 'second front' for the western front. I am aware of the MR-Pact.

 

[9/11-investigator]

You seriously wish you knew history.

Content free smear.

Note that abenja1 does not even attempt to correct the picture. He has nothing to say about the subject.

 

[TSR]

TSR tries to score some nitpicking points. The war started in 1939 in the east. The other one in the west in 1940. Hence the name 'second front' for the western front. I am aware of the MR-Pact.

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Ah, so the war began when Germany invaded Poland, then.

We can count on you not trying to blame the "Anglos" for starting the war anymore, then?
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