Who started both World Wars?

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We're talking about Africa now? Who is arguing that Africans started both World Wars?
 
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Regarding WW2 the USA generally is presented as a sort of Global Batman, carting itself off to remote places to fight evil wherever it erupts.

According to this theory, until 1941 America was basically minding it's own business, driving cattle into the coral, until all of a sudden the evil Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, for no discernable reason whatsoever. That caused the Noble Giant to awaken and start slashing heads from the dragon.

Not so fast, not according to the IHR:

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n6p19_Chamberlin.html

They present a list of 14 items stating that the reality was different:

American involvement in war with Germany was preceded by a long series of steps, not one of which could reasonably be represented as conducive to the achievement of the President's professed ideal of keeping the United States out of foreign wars.
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Highlights: Lend-Lease Act, American spying for the British, preparing for American military bases in Ireland, American troops in Ireland as early as half a year before PH, the Atlantic Conference of Roosevelt and Churchill, August 9-12, 1941, the orders to American warships to shoot at sight at German submarines, formally announced on September 11, the freezing of Japanese assets in the United States on July 25, 1941.. mounting to a commercial blockade of Japan, etc., etc.

It is obvious that the US prepared themselves for war and provoked a Japanese attack to free themselves from the blockade.

Involuntary we have to think of PNAC's policy paper that mentioned 'A New Pearl Harbor' that conveniently was followed up by the 9/11 attacks.

Suicide attacks with a backpack, yes, roadside bombs, yes. But that is about it. IQ80 Arabs cannot be expected to have carried out the 9/11 attacks, for that you need IQ115 Jews to do that for them and blame the Arabs in the process, resulting in a strategic reordening of the Middle East, 1 million Iraqis killed, all at the expense of the American taxpayer (3 trillion $), the entire operation to the benefit of Israel. That's multiplying!

IQ106 Japanese can be expected to carry out Pearl Harbor, but were still strategically outmanouvered by the same IQ115 Jewish advisors around Roosevelt.

P.S. figures are group averages.
 
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stilicho said:
We're talking about Africa now? Who is arguing that Africans started both World Wars?
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I was asked what my motivations were for this discussion.
Answer: preserve Europe as a European civilization.

Now that that question has been answered we go back to the actual topic and continue with uncle Pat and Versailles...
 
Churchill, Hitler, and "The Unnecessary War": How Britain Lost Its Empire and the West Lost the World

p.69-111

Chapter 3 – “A Poisonous Spirit of Revenge”

After describing how WW1 came about in the summer of 1914 Buchanan makes an enormous leap and goes straight to Versailles. He almost completely ignores why America joined the war effort (he can’t because he should be forced to mention the Jews and Balfour and Jews are a complete no-no for Buchanan in 2008 America).

p.69 – In the end, the Americans proved decisive. With Yanks moving into the front lines at 250,000 a month, German morale sank and the German lines buckled… There was Prince Max of Baden who had sounded out Wilson on a peace proposal based on 14 points. Wilson responded and began to add conditions. The Kaiser had to go, Allied ‘military supremacy’ had to be garanteed, and a democratic and representative government had to be established. Prince Max agreed and Wilson discussed the offer with his Allies.
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Buchanan confirms that the American war entry was decisive. It were foremost the British and the French who wanted revenge and the Americans pushing for milder terms:

p.70 – The British and French, after four years of bloodletting that had cost them together two million dead and six million wounded, balked at Wilson’s mild terms. France was looking for a complete compensation for all the damage done.
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It is not difficult to understand why Wilson was so mild because he understood very well who had pushed him in the war: the Jews.

We have seen earlier that Churchill pretended in his memoirs that he did not understand it either why America joined. The Balfour deal (Palestine to the Jews in exchange for the Jews pushing America into the war at the expense of Germany) is one of these hidden motivations in world history that you will not learn at school.
 
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Captain_Swoop said:
How about the Pyramids and various Egyptian Cities and Temple complexes?
All the Carthaginian cities.
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Carthage was a colony of Phonicia (in what is now Lebanon) so it does not count as indigneous to Africa.
I am sure that our little investigator means "Black" when he says "African", and would use the dodge that the Egyptians were not really Black........
 
excaza said:
I would think there's a very strong inverse relation between the advance of technology and the amount of hunter-gathering necessary to sustain life. A lot of the African population has been pretty much nomadic throughout history, I can't see how being constantly changing location would be advantageous to technological advancement in areas that aren't directly related to hunting and mobility. Yes, there have been some very powerful kingdoms in Africa throughout history, but it seems like most of the technological innovation has come from kingdoms with established agriculture, especially around the Mediterranean. You can see evidence of this in South and Central Americas as well. I'm assuming the same would apply to the steppes of Asia.

Just my opinion.
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And that certainly applied to Native Americans in North America as well. Hunting Gathering Civilizations do not have the need for technology like
Agricultural based cultures do.
 
9/11-investigator said:
I was asked what my motivations were for this discussion.
Answer: preserve Europe as a European civilization.

Now that that question has been answered we go back to the actual topic and continue with uncle Pat and Versailles...
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Oh, Nazi Germany is such a wonderful argument for the Superority of European Civilization.....
 
dudalb said:
And that certainly applied to Native Americans in North America as well. Hunting Gathering Civilizations do not have the need for technology like
Agricultural based cultures do.
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Is it a matter of need or opportunity?
 
dudalb said:
Carthage was a colony of Phonicia (in what is now Lebanon) so it does not count as indigneous to Africa.
I am sure that our little investigator means "Black" when he says "African", and would use the dodge that the Egyptians were not really Black........
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Dudalb please,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carthage

Yes Carthage was a Phoenician colony, meaning it is not Phoenicia itself.

Carthage is located in (northern) Africa.

Americans and geography. :rolleyes:

Yes I did mean Black Africa. You obviously have not followed the discussion, because if you had you would have noticed that we arrived on this point via the topic of slavery. Somebody made the point that black African cultural achievements were on par with European achievements at the time.

I have shown that that lefty fable is... well a fable.
 
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dudalb said:
Oh, Nazi Germany is such a wonderful argument for the Superority of European Civilization.....
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According to neo-bolshevik theory as supported by dudalb there is no difference between European Civilization and Nazi Germany.

Europe=White=Evil

There is only one Godlike people on this earth, namely the Jews, the Jewbermensch so to speak.

So far the views of dudalb.

BTW, dudalb opines that he is of Irish descent. :rolleyes:
 
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9/11-investigator said:
According to this theory, until 1941 America was basically minding it's own business, driving cattle into the coral, until all of a sudden the evil Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, for no discernable reason whatsoever. That caused the Noble Giant to awaken and start slashing heads from the dragon.
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You must the only dupe who thinks that 'theory' is held by anyone. I'm not aware of any actual thinking person who's read a bit of actual history who does.

Do remind me: What exactly were the U.S. trade embargoes against Japan in response to? Might it have something to do with Japan's brutal invasion and occupation of China? Does the 'Rape of Nanking' ring a bell? Or was that another event concocted by this vast evil Jewish world-dominating conspiracy of yours?
 
9/11-investigator said:
According to neo-bolshevik theory as supported by dudalb there is no difference between European Civilization and Nazi Germany.

Europe=White=Evil

There is only one Godlike people on this earth, namely the Jews.

So far the views of dudalb.

BTW, dudalb opines that he is of Irish descent. :rolleyes:
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As usual, the master of the straw man. Nice
 
elbe said:
Did you just "correct" dudalb by repeating what he'd already said?
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dudalb says:

Carthage was a colony of Phonicia (in what is now Lebanon) so it does not count as indigneous to Africa.
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I read this as: Carthage was (a colony of Phonicia) in what is now Lebanon.

Alternatively, if he meant that Phonicia itself was in Lebanon and it's colony Carthage was not, but indeed in northen Africa, then the 'colony of' qualifier does not alter it's geographical location. South-Africa was founded but Dutch settlers but that does not mean that South-Africa is situated in Europe.

Whatever.
 
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IQ80 Arabs cannot be expected to have carried out the 9/11 attacks,
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This is where your racism lets you down.
Everything you see is through the filter of race.
 
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