Who started both World Wars?

[dudalb]

That's an insane idea. Can't you see the difference between Europe or America and Africa? Come on now. The difference is race.

A Sub-Saharan IQ of 65 or so will make it clear once and for all that societies will never be able to maintain an industrial society.

Too bad this guy is not an American Citizen. He would have made one hell of a KKK member.

 

[Corsair 115]

I probably missed something but according to me the Germans in 1940 had steam-rolled almost the entire Western-Europe within 6 weeks, including driving the Brits out. The Germans lost basically from Russia. The total war effort was:

USSR - 80%
USA - 15%
UK - 5%

The Russians did the majority of the work destroying German armies in the field. It was not the Russians, however, which pushed the German economy into a state of collapse. That was done by airpower systematically destroying Germany's ability to produce and distribute the arms of war.

The following quotes are from the U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey Summary Report (European War).

Steel production:

During the last half of 1944 both the cities and the transportation system of the Ruhr were the targets of extremely heavy attack, primarily by the RAF. Production of steel in the Ruhr was reduced by 80 percent between June and the end of the year. Loss of production of high-grade steel in the Ruhr was greater than the loss of Bessemer steel and high-grade steel became a bottleneck by the middle of 1944.

Oil production:

The chief source of supply, and the only source for aviation gasoline, was 13 synthetic plants together with a small production from three additional ones that started operations in 1944...

Production from the synthetic plants declined steadily and by July 1944 every major plant had been hit. These plants were producing an average of 316,000 tons per month when the attacks began. Their production fell to 107,000 tons in June and 17,000 tons in September. Output of aviation gasoline from synthetic plants dropped from 175,000 tons in April to 30,000 tons in July and 5,000 tons in September. Production recovered somewhat in November and December, but for the rest of the war was but a fraction of pre-attack output...

Consumption of oil exceeded production from May 1944 on. Accumulated stocks were rapidly used up, and in six months were practically exhausted. The loss of oil production was sharply felt by the armed forces. In August the final run-in-time for aircraft engines was cut from two hours to one-half hour. For lack of fuel, pilot training, previously cut down, was further curtailed. Through the summer, the movement of German Panzer Divisions in the field was hampered more and more seriously as a result of losses in combat and mounting transportation difficulties, together with the fall in fuel production. By December, according to Speer, the fuel shortage had reached catastrophic proportions.

Additional effects from the attacks on oil production:

The attack on the synthetic oil plants was also found to have cost Germany its synthetic nitrogen and methanol supply and a considerable part of its rubber supply.

Germany, like other industrial countries, relied on synthesis for its supply of nitrogen and the synthetic oil plants were by far the largest producers. Sixty percent of the nitrogen production and 40 percent of the methanol production came from two synthetic plants. Monthly output of synthetic nitrogen in early 1944, before the synthetic plants were attacked, was about 75,000 tons. It had been reduced by the end of the year to about 20,000 tons.

Nitrogen, besides being indispensable for explosives, is heavily used in German agriculture. Allocation for the 1943-44 crop year was 54 percent of the total supply; allocation for 1944-45 was first planned at 25 percent and later eliminated altogether. Nitrogen for munitions was maintained by reducing the allocation to agriculture, but by the end of 1944 this cushion had been substantially exhausted. The supply of explosives then declined with the reduction in supply of nitrogen...

Methanol production, necessary among other things for TNT, hexogen and other high explosives, was as severely affected as nitrogen production. Allocations to the principal consumers was heavily cut, and eventually the production of hexogen was abandoned. The loss of methanol coupled with the reduction in nitrogen was followed by a precipitate decline in production of explosives.

Truck production:

In the last half of 1944 German truck production was attacked. Three plants produced most of Germany's truck supply. One of these, Opel at Brandenburg, was knocked out completely in one raid on August 6, 1944, and did not recover. Daimler Benz was similarly eliminated by attacks in September and October. Ford at Cologne, the third large producer, was not attacked but records show that production was sharply curtailed during the same period by destruction of component suppliers and the bombing of its power supply. By December of 1944, production of trucks was only about 35 percent of the average for the first half of 1944.

Railways:

Although prior to September 1944, there had been sporadic attacks on the German transportation system, no serious deterioration in its ability to handle traffic was identified by the Survey. The vastly heavier attacks in September and October 1944 on marshalling yards, bridges, lines, and on train movements, produced a serious disruption in traffic over all of western Germany. Freight car loadings, which were approximately 900,000 cars for the Reich as a whole in the week ending August 19 fell to 700,000 cars in the last week of October. There was some recovery in early November, but thereafter they declined erratically to 550,000 cars in the week ending December 23 and to 214,000 cars during the week ending March 3. Thereafter the disorganization was so great that no useful statistics were kept.

Waterways:

The attack on the waterways paralleled that on the railways; the investigation shows that it was even more successful. On September 23, 1944, the Dortmund-Ems and Mittelland canals were interdicted stopping all through water traffic between the Ruhr and points on the north coast and in central Germany. By October 14, traffic on the Rhine had been interdicted by a bomb that detonated a German demolition charge on a bridge at Cologne. Traffic in the Ruhr dropped sharply and all water movement of coal to south Germany ceased.

Effect of the attacks on the transporation network:

The attack on transportation was the decisive blow that completely disorganized the German economy. It reduced war production in all categories and made it difficult to move what was produced to the front. The attack also limited the tactical mobility of the German army...

The effect of this progressive traffic tie-up was found, as might be expected, to have first affected commodities normally shipped in less-than-trainload lots -- finished and semi-finished manufactured goods, components, perishable consumer goods and the less bulky raw materials. Cars loaded with these commodities had to be handled through the marshalling yards and after the September and October attacks this became increasingly difficult or impossible. Although output of many industries reached a peak in late summer and declined thereafter, total output of the economy was on the whole well- maintained through November. Beginning in December there was a sharp fall in production in nearly all industries; week by week the decline continued until the end of the war.

Although coal traffic (about 40 percent of all the traffic carried by the German railways) held up better than miscellaneous commercial traffic, the decline was both more easily traceable and more dramatic. The September raids reduced coal-car placements in the Essen Division of the Reichsbahn (the originator of most of the coal traffic of the Ruhr) to an average of 12,000 cars daily as compared with 21,400 at the beginning of the year. Most of this was for consumption within the Ruhr. By January, placements in the Ruhr were down to 9,000 cars a day and in February virtually complete interdiction of the Ruhr District was achieved. Such coal as was loaded was subject to confiscation by the railroads to fuel their locomotives; even with this supply, coal stocks of the Reichsbahn itself were reduced from 18 days' supply in October 1944 to 4½ days' supply in February 1945. By March some divisions in southern Germany had less than a day's supply on hand, and locomotives were idle because of lack of coal.

The German economy was powered by coal; except in limited areas, the coal supply had been eliminated.

The report has this to say about the RAF's area bombing efforts:

In the latter half of 1944, aided by new navigational techniques, the RAF returned with part of its force to an attack on industrial targets. These attacks were notably successful but it is with the attacks on urban areas that the RAF is most prominently identified.

The city attacks of the RAF prior to the autumn of 1944, did not substantially affect the course of German war production. German war production as a whole continued to increase. This in itself is not conclusive, but the Survey has made detailed analysis of the course of production and trade in 10 German cities that were attacked during this period and has made more general analyses in others. These show that while production received a moderate setback after a raid, it recovered substantially within a relatively few weeks. As a rule the industrial plants were located around the perimeter of German cities and characteristically these were relatively undamaged.

Commencing in the autumn of 1944, the tonnage dropped on city areas, plus spill-overs from attacks on transportation and other specific targets, mounted greatly. In the course of these raids, Germany's steel industry was knocked out, its electric power industry was substantially impaired and industry generally in the areas attacked was disorganized. There were so many forces making for the collapse of production during this period, however, that it is not possible separately to assess the effect of these later area raids on war production. There is no doubt, however, that they were significant...

The city area raids have left their mark on the German people as well as on their cities. Far more than any other military action that preceded the actual occupation of Germany itself, these attacks left the German people with a solid lesson in the disadvantages of war. It was a terrible lesson; conceivably that lesson, both in Germany and abroad, could be the most lasting single effect of the air war.

Lastly, the report offers this as part of its conclusions:

The German experience suggests that even a first class military power -- rugged and resilient as Germany was -- cannot live long under full-scale and free exploitation of air weapons over the heart of its territory. By the beginning of 1945, before the invasion of the homeland itself, Germany was reaching a state of helplessness. Her armament production was falling irretrievably, orderliness in effort was disappearing, and total disruption and disintegration were well along. Her armies were still in the field. But with the impending collapse of the supporting economy, the indications are convincing that they would have had to cease fighting -- any effective fighting -- within a few months. Germany was mortally wounded.

Those interested in reading the complete text of the Survey's summary report can find it here. (The text of the Survey's summary report of the Pacific War can be read here.)


All of the foregoing can perhaps be summarized by this comment made by Albert Speer to Hitler on March 16, 1945: "The German economy is heading for inevitable collapse within 4-8 weeks."

The British were merely walking in the way. They tried to make themselves useful in killing a few hundred thousand children and women from 10 km altitude and had some fun in the desert, but that was about it.

See reply in regards to the Survey's assessment of the RAF's area bombing campaign.

 

[9/11-investigator]

The Russians did the majority of the work destroying German armies in the field. It was not the Russians, however, which pushed the German economy into a state of collapse. That was done by airpower systematically destroying Germany's ability to produce and distribute the arms of war.

The Germans gave up when the Russians were a few hundred meters from Hitler's headquarters, not because of the 'state of the economy' or the non-existing demoralizing effect of the terror bombing.

For every American 50 Russians died. It is true that Anglo's love to destroy things from high in the sky, but on the ground they are hopeless. They will lose combat in the field against any 3rd rate power, be it Vietnam, Somalia, Lebanon, Iraq or Afghanistan. If they are so foolish to start attacking Iran, they will even lose their army in Iraq with these hopeless long supply lines and a hermetically sealed off Persian Gulf.

 

[dudalb]

I note it is the countries that were centrail to the creation of modern Democracy..The UK and The US....that our little investigator seems to hate. I don't think that is a coincidence.

The more I think about it, the more I think his remark about "Sub Saharans' having inferior intelligence is a kind of new low for the Lying Dutchman.

 

[dafydd]

Too bad this guy is not an American Citizen. He would have made one hell of a KKK member.

The Lying Dutchman is low enough on the evolutionary ladder to qualify for membership.

 

[9/11-investigator]

I note it is the countries that were centrail to the creation of modern Democracy..The UK and The US....that our little investigator seems to hate. I don't think that is a coincidence.

My dedain has nothing to do with democratic history but is based on the knowledge that the Anglo's both in the UK and the US are sugjugated to the youknowwho's and are nothing but instruments for them. The Americans fared well by their rule in the past decades but the fortunes are now drastically going to change.

The more I think about it, the more I think his remark about "Sub Saharans' having inferior intelligence is a kind of new low for the Lying Dutchman.

Why don't you read the very kosher "The Bell Curve" or the work of Lynn. They will tell you precisely what the relationship is between 'national intelligence' and wealth generation. But I realise very well that this kind of knowledge is contrary to that neobolshevik egalitarian NWO of yours with which you aspire to tyranize the rest of the world Soviet style. Another world revolution, now not originating from Mowcow but from Washington. Which is not going to work btw, you will be on the move again in a biblical manner before the end of this decade.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Why don't you read the very kosher "The Bell Curve" or the work of Lynn.

Gee, any other thoroughly discredited works going to be trotted out by Nope/11?

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Russia opposed releasing Hess, Britain and the USA wanted to let him go.

Absolutely. By keeping Spandau open to keep Hess imprisoned, the Russians had an excuse to drive through West Berlin. I don't knock the Russians for doing this.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Shows Matthew's sloppiness: he says that Hess committed suicide and than posts a link that says the opposite.

Not in the slightest. Hess states into a tape recorder that Hitler did not know. The man who made the recording has a hypothesis that Hess was murdered, however as the British agreed that Hess should be released, it is impossible that they would simultaneously try to kill him.

Hess could have told his Russian, French or American interrogators about Hitler's knowledge but never did because it did not happen. You are pretending the British did not want secrets to come out in 1987 that Russia, Britain's cold war enemy, would have known and made public, if true, since 1945!

Hess left a suicide note. End of story. Abdallah Melaouhi made money putting out a book. ( David Irving makes up facts....ask any judge)

 

[BaaBaa]

Hess’s mysterious death in 1987 fed the myths. “It must have been murder,” Mr Zwar says. According to the official version, Hess, 93, blind in one eye and unable to feed himself, hid from the sentries in the prison towers, wrapped an electric flex around his neck and hanged himself. “He could not even raise his arms above shoulder level,” Mr Zwar says. “To hang yourself you have to be able to do that.”

This is not true: people have been known to hang themselves from doorknobs.

 

[dudalb]

My dedain has nothing to do with democratic history but is based on the knowledge that the Anglo's both in the UK and the US are sugjugated to the youknowwho's and are nothing but instruments for them. The Americans fared well by their rule in the past decades but the fortunes are now drastically going to change.




Why don't you read the very kosher "The Bell Curve" or the work of Lynn. They will tell you precisely what the relationship is between 'national intelligence' and wealth generation. But I realise very well that this kind of knowledge is contrary to that neobolshevik egalitarian NWO of yours with which you aspire to tyranize the rest of the world Soviet style. Another world revolution, now not originating from Mowcow but from Washington. Which is not going to work btw, you will be on the move again in a biblical manner before the end of this decade.

Still obssesed with the idea that anybody who does not like your bigotry is a Jew, eh?

 

[Corsair 115]

The Germans gave up when the Russians were a few hundred meters from Hitler's headquarters, not because of the 'state of the economy' or the non-existing demoralizing effect of the terror bombing.

Rather than ignoring it, I suggest you actually read the cited reference material I quoted in my post.

For every American 50 Russians died. It is true that Anglo's love to destroy things from high in the sky, but on the ground they are hopeless.

To repeat: Rather than ignoring it, I suggest you actually read the cited reference material I quoted in my post.


Steel production: greatly reduced. Oil production: all but destroyed, with the consequent effect on the ability of the German military to fly its aircraft and move its armoured forces. Transportation: all but destroyed, with the consequent effect on the ability of the economy to function and the German military to move men and material. Armaments production: greatly reduced.

Had all of those things not happened, the Russians would have had a hell of a lot harder time fighting their way to Berlin than they did. Why? Because Germany could have made good its losses in combat with the Russians. But with its economy crippled, it could not—and it's a considerably harder task to repel the oncoming enemy when you can't fly your air force nor move your tanks due a lack of fuel, nor can your soldiers, artillery, and tanks fire due to a lack of ammunition.


By the way, the idea that "demoralizing effect of the terror bombing" was its only goal and impact is wrong (which I point out yet again). Had the RAF been able to repeat what it did to Hamburg in July of 1943 to another half-dozen or so German cities within a short time, it may well have knocked Germany out of the war.

Quoting from The Crucible of War 1939-1945 (emphasis added):

Such were the scale of suffering and the length of the casualty lists on this single night that it was known immediately as Die Katastrophe, and the psychological impact on all of Germany was enormous...

The industrial damage, too, seemed spectacular. Production at several chemical works, engineering firms, and shipyards was halted altogether; 'the entire tram and Underground system was brought to a standstill'; all the large gas works were put of out action; electrical supplies were interrupted; and some 250,000 of the city's 450,000 flats and apartments had been 'completely destroyed.' Indeed, Albert Speer informed the Fuher that raids of a similar intensity on six other cities 'would bring Germany's armaments production to a total halt.'

Quoting from Reap the Whirlwind (emphasis added):

Five hundred public buildings destroyed. More than two thousand commercial enterprises wrecked. Half the residences in the city eliminated; most of the rest damaged. Some 45,000 people dead. Nearly a million made homeless. Four big shipbuilding yards heavily damaged. Dock installations a shambles. Approximately 180,000 tons of shipping sunk in the harbour. General of the Air Force Erhard Milch, state secretary at the German Air Ministry, wailed: "If we get just five or six more attacks like these on Hamburg, the German people will just lay down their tools, however great their willpower... What the home front is suffering now cannot be suffered much longer." Albert Speer, Hitler's armaments minister, wrote that the Hamburg disaster put the "fear of God" into him; like Milch, he believed that the same treatment meted out to half a dozen more cities would put an end to the war...

These quotes from senior people in the Reich make it clear that the Hamburg raid had a major effect, and if its results could be duplicated in relatively short order Germany would be forced out of the war. But the RAF could not quickly duplicate the results it achieved at Hamburg. Firestorms were rare and unpredictable events, and could not be created on command. Indeed, only two more were to occur during the rest of the war in the European theatre: Kassel in October of 1943 and Dresden in February of 1945.

They will lose combat in the field against any 3rd rate power, be it Vietnam, Somalia, Lebanon, Iraq or Afghanistan. If they are so foolish to start attacking Iran, they will even lose their army in Iraq with these hopeless long supply lines and a hermetically sealed off Persian Gulf.

Once more you're wandering off into an irrelevant and immaterial political rant. Do try to stay on topic, okay?

 

[Andy_Ross]

As has already been pointed out, huge ammounts of men, vehicles, fuel, ammunition, guns, aircraft and the manufacturing to build them all were tied up in AA. All this would have been available for fighting on the front line without air raids.

Also one again 9/11 misses out he Far East. British and American armies were fighting across South East Asia and the Pacific at the same time.

 

[Belz...]

That's an insane idea. Can't you see the difference between Europe or America and Africa? Come on now. The difference is race.

Tell that to an African American. He lives in America. The difference you cite is Geography.

You dodged my question, also. What race are YOU ? Or Me ? Or anyone ? Lots of people have mixed heritage. How do you even begin to categorise so many permutations is beyond me. There are ethnic lineages but they are often far too complex to draw definitive conclusions. And even if you could, it wouldn't tell you anything about a person's personality or capacities. Race is a useless term because it gives you no real information.

A Sub-Saharan IQ of 65 or so will make it clear once and for all that societies will never be able to maintain an industrial society.

I know a few Caucasians with terrible IQ. And I know some people with good IQ who are still idiots. What are you trying to prove ?

 

[Belz...]

I have said it several times before: I don't like it that my country and civilization are being destroyed using a false interpretation of history.

Your country ? What does all this have to do with the Netherlands ?

 

[Arisia]

Your country ? What does all this have to do with the Netherlands ?

C'mon, don't you know by now... the Joos are destroying everything right-thinking white folk hold dear, from secret bases near the so-called 'death camps' (those secret bases are where they've been living since they all survived the 'holohoax', you know)... gotta begrudgingly admire them Joos for playing the long game pretty well, even though they've been out to get right-thinking white folk for centuries, they let us build up entire empires and become superpowers to lull us into a false sense of security before attacking us and fooling us into blaming it on Islamic extremists, so the right-thinking white folk and the Muslims (another group the Joos hate) destroy each other, while the Joos look on with glee, their long game finally played out.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Tell that to an African American. He lives in America. The difference you cite is Geography.

Makes me curious for your explanation as to why the European world isdeveloped and Africa is nowhere?

I know a few Caucasians with terrible IQ.

Me too.

But this remark of yours clearly shows that you have no grasp of the concept of statistical distribution. Here is some reading material to get you started.

And I know some people with good IQ who are still idiots. What are you trying to prove ?

That it is worthwhile to prevent Europe from turning into another jungle.

 

[Chaos]

Makes me curious for your explanation as to why the European world isdeveloped and Africa is nowhere?

Jared Diamond explained this long ago in "Guns, Germs and Steel". Not that any Nazi-worshipping racist scumbags ever let that get in the way of their bigotry, of course.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Makes me curious for your explanation as to why the European world isdeveloped and Africa is nowhere?

How about a couple of hundred years of Colonial exploitation?
Wouldn't that be a good stick to beat the hated 'Anglos' with? apart from the fact that the most destructive and repressive Colonies were the ones operated by Germany and Belgium.

 

[dafydd]

Makes me curious for your explanation as to why the European world isdeveloped and Africa is nowhere?




Me too.

But this remark of yours clearly shows that you have no grasp of the concept of statistical distribution. Here is some reading material to get you started.




That it is worthwhile to prevent Europe from turning into another jungle.

So we can add geography to the list of subjects you know nothing about.Most of Africa is not jungle.Heil Hinkel!