I have honestly never seen that attitude amongst any of my right-wing friends.
Which Tory Is The Biggest Moron?
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I have honestly never seen that attitude amongst any of my right-wing friends.
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Rolfe
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Where's the poll?
And if you mean "moron" literally, David Mundell, by a metric mile. He's a moron, and we fervently wish he wasn't our moron.
But he is.
Rolfe.
And if you mean "moron" literally, David Mundell, by a metric mile. He's a moron, and we fervently wish he wasn't our moron.
But he is.
Rolfe.
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Said friend is also a cousin.....not pickable.
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I was going to then was too lazy to put it in
Re Giz - if we are going to generalise about definitions, here is mine:
Right wingers are either:
a) motivated by simple selfish self-interest - they're already well off and want to keep as much of it as possible. They use private schools and private health, have no need of the welfare safety net and thus have no interest in how the state provides for these services.
b) motivated by "anti" social issues - eg anti abortion, anti immigration, anti Europe, anti foreigners etc
The rich and the powerful right wingers who control society (ie politicians, media, businessmen ) are all motivated by (a) - and then use social issues to get the large group of (b) to vote against their own economic interests. They are simply manipulated by the rich to ensure the rich keep as much money as they can.
Really, that's right wing membership in a nutshell.
commandlinegamer
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I wondered (well actually no, I didn't, until he was on the radio the other day) what he had been up to. He certainly didn't come across as the sharpest tool in the box when he was a minister.
But anyhoo, the OP missed one out. Tony Blair. Now, he was/is a ****.
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Right... yet Cameron sends his children to public school and uses the NHS (Thus needs the welfare safety net). Is he therefore not right wing?
I wouldn't say the coalition have no interest in how the state provides for these services, they have certainly spent plenty of time thinking about how to reform welfare. They've certainly cocked up many of their welfare changes though, no doubt about it.
I have heard little of any mention of any of these attitudes since the coalition began.
It's hyperbole like this that destroyed Labour and is seeping back in to the party.
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Umm what PR man Cameron does hardly disproves a generalisation - in case you didn't read what I wrote I prefaced it by saying it was a generalisation..... Guess it didn't stop the disproof with an annecdote though
You've not heard any anti Europe anti immigrant sentiment from the coalition? Really?
Labour was destroyed by being hollowed out by neo liberals - the hyperbole is all your own work.
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I know, and read many people on the left and right who can perfectly understand opposing points of view and their motivations.
The OP is not among them. It is the latest in a series of obnoxious opening posts by this member.
Ummm - so I don't like the Tories - but I can hardly remember starting any threads which you would describe as "obnoxious" - I've hardly posted on Jref over the past year. Rather than you being unpleasant perhaps you could join in the discussion.....surely you cant think all the Tories are doing a good job? if you don't want to then don't bother posting in the thread. Much obliged
Additionally I'd be interested in knowing which OPs you regard as obnoxious - scroll through my posting history over the past year. If you can't find a "series" it might be nice to apologise. Cheers.
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Tory Belleci - one day he's going to do himself a serious injury.
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lol - OK I might have to take back the "have hardly posted on JREF in the past year" These are the last 50 OPs started over the past 8 months...
Apart from showing quite eclectic interests, not sure which ones form your series of obnoxious OPs..... the only one a Tory fan might dislike was " An Arse - A despicable Creature Without Any Redeeming Features" - which was a quote about Cameron, by another right winger
These are the last 50 OPs started over the past 8 months...Apart from showing quite eclectic interests, not sure which ones form your series of obnoxious OPs..... the only one a Tory fan might dislike was " An Arse - A despicable Creature Without Any Redeeming Features" - which was a quote about Cameron, by another right winger
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Anyway, back to the list:
I can't remember Hague doing too badly - he got a bit of a hammering over Libya initially, but emerged pretty much OK....
Andrew Mitchell has stuck to the pledge for 0.7% ODI - which is impressive (even if he wants to make aid more political....)
What has Lady Warsi's done - Question Time?
Spelman got hung out to dry over the forestry sell off - and seems to have disappeared into a hole since....
Ian Duncan Smith - well, trying to get his universal credit through amidst much doubt as to whether it's feasible. Is he the architect of the current benefits cuts or is that from above?
I can't remember Hague doing too badly - he got a bit of a hammering over Libya initially, but emerged pretty much OK....
Andrew Mitchell has stuck to the pledge for 0.7% ODI - which is impressive (even if he wants to make aid more political....)
What has Lady Warsi's done - Question Time?
Spelman got hung out to dry over the forestry sell off - and seems to have disappeared into a hole since....
Ian Duncan Smith - well, trying to get his universal credit through amidst much doubt as to whether it's feasible. Is he the architect of the current benefits cuts or is that from above?
Rolfe
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Not playing until you add Mundell. He is as thick as mince.
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Andyandy,
I understand you prefaced that view of the right with 'this is my generalisation' but I've read enough of your posts to know that is what you believe!
3 general election victories with a decade of low unemployment and continuous economic growth? I don't think that counts as being destroyed.
I understand you prefaced that view of the right with 'this is my generalisation' but I've read enough of your posts to know that is what you believe!
3 general election victories with a decade of low unemployment and continuous economic growth? I don't think that counts as being destroyed.
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Almost certianly some back bencher you've never heard of. Anyone who can make it to cabinet level will have an operational brain.
It's more likely a back door attempt to centeralise power.
But thats not stupidity.
So coldly rational.
He's very qualified. Under no circumstances is he likely to produce a Blair/Brown style cold war.
I think the rest of the party may have something to do with it.
Should probably be an "h" there. She is in any case the Home Secretary that's kinda her job. The thing you have to remember is that the daily mail does a pretty good job of representing the opinions of its reads (although they tend to be a bit less subtle).
However there is no doubt he is an effective PR man.
Well in fairness he has got the most hopeless brief in government. Trying to manage defence while keeping spending vaguely sane.
It's more likely a back door attempt to centeralise power.
But thats not stupidity.
So coldly rational.
He's very qualified. Under no circumstances is he likely to produce a Blair/Brown style cold war.
I think the rest of the party may have something to do with it.
Should probably be an "h" there. She is in any case the Home Secretary that's kinda her job. The thing you have to remember is that the daily mail does a pretty good job of representing the opinions of its reads (although they tend to be a bit less subtle).
However there is no doubt he is an effective PR man.
Well in fairness he has got the most hopeless brief in government. Trying to manage defence while keeping spending vaguely sane.
angrysoba
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Actually, I am going to go for Liam Fox.
When he unveiled the government's new defence policy which included scrapping the aircraft carriers and Harriers, I thought, "Well what the Hell happens if, for some reason, Argentina decides to invade the Falkland's again?"
Apparently we'll share an aircraft carrier with the French so hopefully they won't be using it that day. Not sure if we still have any planes to fly off the carrier because the US, who know a good thing when they see it, bought all the Harriers for bargain-basement prices.
I'm just a bit surprised that the Tories, of all people, would have decided to effectively scrap Britain's independent force projection and that we'll have to rely on either the US - who threatened to veto any Falkland action at the Security Council - or the French who provided most of Argentina's weaponry.
Not long ago I may have agreed with people's opinions that there will hardly be another Falklands War but I still would have thought it valuable to retain the ability to protect them nonetheless. These days, it looks less implausible than it once did and I can't help thinking, is Liam Fox actually less competent as a secretary of defence than me?
On top of that we have to add the obvious pong of venality, if not outright corruption, that seems to emanate from him, his shady non-official assistant and the serious question of whether or not he was in charge of some rogue independent foreign policy that we are not aware of and which is not being properly investigated.
When he unveiled the government's new defence policy which included scrapping the aircraft carriers and Harriers, I thought, "Well what the Hell happens if, for some reason, Argentina decides to invade the Falkland's again?"
Apparently we'll share an aircraft carrier with the French so hopefully they won't be using it that day. Not sure if we still have any planes to fly off the carrier because the US, who know a good thing when they see it, bought all the Harriers for bargain-basement prices.
I'm just a bit surprised that the Tories, of all people, would have decided to effectively scrap Britain's independent force projection and that we'll have to rely on either the US - who threatened to veto any Falkland action at the Security Council - or the French who provided most of Argentina's weaponry.
Not long ago I may have agreed with people's opinions that there will hardly be another Falklands War but I still would have thought it valuable to retain the ability to protect them nonetheless. These days, it looks less implausible than it once did and I can't help thinking, is Liam Fox actually less competent as a secretary of defence than me?
On top of that we have to add the obvious pong of venality, if not outright corruption, that seems to emanate from him, his shady non-official assistant and the serious question of whether or not he was in charge of some rogue independent foreign policy that we are not aware of and which is not being properly investigated.