Which Cult or Sect is Most Dangerous?

[Akots]

I'm with Diogenes. Hate speech and free speech aren't mutually exclusive.

If a group of Illinois Nazis wanted to peacefully go on a march proclaiming that "The Jews are using the Blacks against you [white people]", that's both free speech and hate speech.

(Illinois Nazis. Man, I hate Illinois Nazis.)

One could want to "report" you all they want, but who would they "report" you to?

Whoa... Blues Brothers flashback.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

I see. Would you hate/fear me, or just be "disgusted"?

Well, you mentioned three traits...

Any one person could posses any combination of those three traits ... So, we wouldn't necessarily be talking about three different people, but we could be.


I would agree with you on the pedophile.. ( be disgusted ) And it wouldn't matter if they were also an Atheist and/or a homosexual.

I do not hate anyone at all, nor would I fear or feel disgusted with anyone based on their predjuices...

When I encounter, what I perceive to be prejudice, I would describe my feelings as mostly disappointment,
and wonder how someone can justify excluding a group of fellow human beings from their life, with no information
about their feelings or beliefs. I imagine that they must really be lonely and afraid, and that makes me very sad.


So true, as I would have been doing, and then what?

Mommy, Mommy, that person is picking on me/him/her? Is AAAAAUP your sock-puppet, or you his?

I thought " tattle-tale ", but didn't want to be the one to say it..

 

[hammegk]

Again, hypothetically,

Coprophiliacs disgust me, necrophiliacs disgust me, sado-masochists disgust me, Christians disgust me, and Theists disgust me, now what?

What is the difference between homosexuality, coprophilia, necrophilia, and sado-maschism?

Should we teach 5th graders in public schools that all are equally acceptable methods of expressing sexuallity?

 

[Skeptical Greg]

One could want to "report" you all they want, but who would they "report" you to?

They don't have mods in Ill ? I thought Diezel was in that area...



Add:

Thats " illinois ".. I wish they would change the font so capital i's don't look like lower case els...

 

[Upchurch]

What is the difference between homosexuality, coprophilia, necrophilia, and sado-maschism?

Well, homosexuality is a sexual orientation while coprophilia, necrophilia and sado-maschism are all labels applied to different ways that people excite themselves or others sexually. Of them, the only one I would consider unambiguously wrong is necrophilia because it can never be mutualy concentual.

Should we teach 5th graders in public schools that all are equally acceptable methods of expressing sexuallity?

But they aren't equally acceptable. any sort of sexual activity without full concent of all involved is not acceptable.

 

[Upchurch]

Thats " illinois ".. I wish they would change the font so capital i's don't look like lower case els...

Aside: Ever see "Illinois" written on a road sign? They put a slight slant at the tops of the els to distinguish them. The thing is, you really have to look to notice. One of the most pointless efforts I've ever seen in a road sign.

 

[hammegk]

Well, homosexuality is a sexual orientation while coprophilia, necrophilia and sado-maschism are all labels applied to different ways that people excite themselves or others sexually.

Is this just a personal thought? I didn't know genetics had been tagged as the reason. And if not genetic, what is the difference?

Of them, the only one I would consider unambiguously wrong is necrophilia because it can never be mutualy concentual.
But they aren't equally acceptable. any sort of sexual activity without full concent of all involved is not acceptable.

LOL. I'd say necrophilia has full, 100%, absolute consent and is unambiguously ok. Who knows about agreements between 2 or more people, and their reason for "agreeing" -- money, blackmail, fear, drugged, etcetc.

 

[Upchurch]

Is this just a personal thought? I didn't know genetics had been tagged as the reason. And if not genetic, what is the difference?

Coprophilia, necrophilia and sado-maschism are fetishes. They are practiced by both heterosexuals and homosexuals. One is what you do, the other is who you do it with.

LOL. I'd say necrophilia has full, 100%, absolute consent and is unambiguously ok. Who knows about agreements between 2 or more people, and their reason for "agreeing" -- money, blackmail, fear, drugged, etcetc.

How does a dead body give concent? It doesn't matter what agreements were made before hand, if concent isn't given at the moment, it's not concentual. and being afraid or drugged doesn't count. Not being able to say "no" doesn't mean that concent is given. Don't believe me? Look up "date rape".

 

[Thanz]

Well, I was pointed to this thread by Diogenes, and I can say that I am disgusted with the attitude presented by muscleman in this thread with regard to homosexuals.

As a Christian, it really bothers me when idiots spout off like this, purporting to speak for my faith or even worse, God. I do not believe in a God who would create people as homosexuals and then condemn them for it.

It is idiots like this that make life extremely hard for gay people, especially if they are Christian. The right wing bigots have given Christianity such a bad name in the gay community that (depending on the individuals involved) it can be just as hard to 'come out' as Christian in the gay community as it is to come out as gay in in some Christian communities.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

The right wing bigots have given Christianity such a bad name in the gay community that (depending on the individuals involved) it can be just as hard to 'come out' as Christian in the gay community as it is to come out as gay in in some Christian communities.

Interesting spin.. Excellent observation...

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Again, hypothetically,

Coprophiliacs disgust me, necrophiliacs disgust me, sado-masochists disgust me, Christians disgust me, and Theists disgust me, now what?

What is the difference between homosexuality, coprophilia, necrophilia, and sado-maschism?

Should we teach 5th graders in public schools that all are equally acceptable methods of expressing sexuallity?

If all those things disgust you, I would suggest you find something else to think about.

If you (hypothetically) don't know the difference between those things, I would suggest you do some googling...

The 'teaching' thing... No.

 

[Beleth]

Of them, the only one I would consider unambiguously wrong is necrophilia because it can never be mutualy concentual.

I disagree. From a purely unemotional, purely ethical standpoint, everyone who can consent to necrophilia does consent. From a consenting-party point of view, it's no different than masturbation - only one person needs to consent because only one person is involved.

That doesn't mean that it's not entirely disgusting, though, because it is.

 

[Upchurch]

I disagree. From a purely unemotional, purely ethical standpoint, everyone who can consent to necrophilia does consent. From a consenting-party point of view, it's no different than masturbation - only one person needs to consent because only one person is involved.

true, strictly speaking there is only one person involved, but who does that body belong to? Assuming that it is not an incestual necropheiliac, this person is having sex with someone else's property (assuming that we all agree that a dead body belongs to the family of the deceased). Unless the family gives concent ("You wanna go knock boots with grandma? Just a sec, we keep her in a freezer out back."), it's not concentual.

Masterbation, on the other hand (pun intended), is usally done with one's own property (hand, object, etc.).

Not that I endorce this opinion. Ultimately, I believe the body belongs to the deceased and only the deceased can give that kind of concent which, as previously mentioned, is impossible.

That doesn't mean that it's not entirely disgusting, though, because it is.

Granted.

 

[Upchurch]

About the teaching 5th graders.

Sex ed is about explaining how human reproduction works and how to avoid catching and spreading disease. There's no reason to discuss fetishes or sexual orientation in that context, is there? It's not really applicable.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

beleth:
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That doesn't mean that it's not entirely disgusting, though, because it is.
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upchurch:
Granted.

Of course you mean, " it's a disgusting idea " ?



Sorry guys, but I couldn't resist..

 

[Upchurch]

Of course you mean, " it's a disgusting idea " ?

Granted.

 

[Darat]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Which Cult or Sect is Most Dangerous?

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Scientology, for example, teaches it's members to be as intolerant of scientists and rational thinkers as possible.
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....Scientology because it was NEVER intended to benefit anyone, other than a handful of it's own preists, living in the lap of luxury while their disciples suffer mental and physical hardship.
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Can you find Scientology literature where those things are listed? Name of source, date, and page #, please.

Thanks.

Well surprisingly not Scientology "literature" but

"Bare-Faced Messiah" by Russell Miller

Page 300, 3rd Para, Chapter 17

There was also considerable disparity between the way the Hubbards lived on the ship and the conditions endured by everyone else. Most of the crew lived in cramped, smelly, roach-infested dormitories fitted with bunks in three tiers that left little room for personal possessions. Hubbard and Mary Sue each had there own state-room in addition to a suite of the promenade deck comprising an auditing-room, office, an elegant saloon and a wood-panelled dining room, all off-limits to student and crew........."

 

[neutrino_cannon]

Is this just a personal thought? I didn't know genetics had been tagged as the reason. And if not genetic, what is the difference?

Did he imply it was genetic? I don't really see how it could be, the trait would only rarely be passed on.

 

[Upchurch]

Did he imply it was genetic? I don't really see how it could be, the trait would only rarely be passed on.

I think you'd be surprised how many gay men and women have children due to social pressures. I have a friend whose last boyfriend was a father of two.

 

[Guest]

You know, I actually find myself in agreement with something hammegk said. Once again, I am glad I don't put people on ignore who once ticked me off.

Why is a hatred of religious people acceptable on here, and other forms of hatred are not?