Moderated What's wrong with porn?

[Southwind17]

Sure.
The pay differential is one of popularity, not scarcity. It's true that the major porno studios pay women more than men, but those studio's target audience is, for the most part, heterosexual men.
But that's not the same for gay male studios. Women, if they appeared, wouldn't be paid much because that studio's target audience isn't the same as the major porno studios. Same goes for studios whose target audience is people who like transgenders. Women in those movies are paid far less than the transgendered people.
Now the reason that the major porno studios are so is because the majority of people who purchase porn is heterosexual men. It makes sense to me that if heterosexual women were the majority purchasers of porn, that the male porno actors would be paid more than the women porno actresses.
It's not scarcity nor sexism. It's simple popularity.

And what about porn where no popular "actors/actresses" are involved - do you know what the pay differential would be there?

p.s. Good workout?

 

[JFrankA]

And what about porn where no popular "actors/actresses" are involved - do you know what the pay differential would be there?

Honestly, I don't know. My payments for models are equal between the sexes. I can tell you I've hired more female models than male models at the rate of 3 to 1 if that helps any.

p.s. Good workout?

Yeah, I go early to avoid the crowd.

 

[MontagK505]

I believe that that depends on the individual and the context of the movie. The reaction you are talking about is no way limited to porn. For example, a lot of people like tearjerkers. Definitely not porn, but still brings out a strong emotion. There are inspirational movies, and even advertisements, movies that make us laugh, (that's about as involuntary physiological reaction as one can get), and movies that make us scream. I know when I first saw "Psycho" (the real Alfred Hitchcock version), I couldn't take a shower for a week.
...err, don't worry, I took baths that week...

A friend of my sisters couldn't sleep with the lights off for a week after seeing "Alien"

 

[Southwind17]

A friend of my sisters couldn't sleep with the lights off for a week after seeing "Alien"

I know what you mean. I couldn't touch spaghetti for months!

 

[Southwind17]

Hey JFrankA - just noticed you got Post #1000 - congratulations!

 

[Southwind17]

Honestly, I don't know. My payments for models are equal between the sexes. I can tell you I've hired more female models than male models at the rate of 3 to 1 if that helps any.

So, I'd be wrong, then, would I, if I were to assume that men tend to get paid less than women because they're prepared to accept less? Or that many men (compared to women) would even do it for free? Or that some men (possibly many men, especially compared to women) would even pay instead of being paid?

 

[MontagK505]

Hey JFrankA - just noticed you got Post #1000 - congratulations!

My congratulations as well.

Back to the OP, “What's wrong with porn?”

Most of the discussion seems to center around people who perform and people who watch. Some posters have suggested it exploits innocent young women / men. Some have suggested it has a negative influence on our social mores. Some posters have touched briefly on the influence of written porn.

What about animated porn? This seems to be big in Japan. Or, how about 3D CGI porn? The only thing I've ever seen close to that, is “Tripping the Rift” and that's just sexual innuendo. Funny, but not porn.

Would it still be porn if you used motion capture like “Beowulf”? Think of that scene with Angelia as Grendel's mother when she comes out of that lake. Some friends saw that in IMAX 3D and they thought that was a show stopper.

It would be harder to get a STD while wearing a mo-cap suit. Note: Mo-cap is getting cheaper to do. I know we are years away from doing this, but would people treat this the same as regular porn?

Any thoughts?

 

[Southwind17]

My congratulations as well.

Back to the OP, “What's wrong with porn?”

Impeccable timing. I suspect a certain Carrie Prejean might care to offer a view, given this article appearing in today's 9News in Oz!

Most of the discussion seems to center around people who perform and people who watch. Some posters have suggested it exploits innocent young women / men. Some have suggested it has a negative influence on our social mores. Some posters have touched briefly on the influence of written porn.
What about animated porn? This seems to be big in Japan. Or, how about 3D CGI porn? The only thing I've ever seen close to that, is “Tripping the Rift” and that's just sexual innuendo. Funny, but not porn.
Would it still be porn if you used motion capture like “Beowulf”? Think of that scene with Angelia as Grendel's mother when she comes out of that lake. Some friends saw that in IMAX 3D and they thought that was a show stopper.
It would be harder to get a STD while wearing a mo-cap suit. Note: Mo-cap is getting cheaper to do. I know we are years away from doing this, but would people treat this the same as regular porn?
Any thoughts?

Personally, I'd say it's little different, in principle, although, as I stated above, I wouldn't be interested in it. I suppose it's easier to suspend belief with animation, so if there is any truth in the notion that porn serves to legitimize lewd acts and even rape then it might serve a good purpose. On the other hand, if porn serves to reduce the incidence of rape then it might have a negative effect, although I doubt there'll be any scarcity of "real" porn any time soon, and when the time comes whereby we can't tell the difference between real people and CGI then who cares. I guess there'll be a lot of budding porn stars with fewer choices, not to mention actors generally, news readers, etc.

 

[Eddie Dane]

Animated porn does nothing for me, but that is probably becuase I don't like the "wooden" quality of cheap animations.

I do like erotic drawings by some artists. But again most don't do anything for me.

It would be cool if there was an erotic animation movie with the quality of -for instance- Akira.

Or perhaps we'll see better animated stuff when computer animation becomes more accessible to artists.

 

[Southwind17]

Animated porn does nothing for me, but that is probably becuase I don't like the "wooden" quality of cheap animations.
I do like erotic drawings by some artists. But again most don't do anything for me.
It would be cool if there was an erotic animation movie with the quality of -for instance- Akira.
Or perhaps we'll see better animated stuff when computer animation becomes more accessible to artists.

Or perhaps you could just continue to fantasise, whereby anything your imagination is capable of conjuring can "happen"!

 

[ponderingturtle]

My congratulations as well.

Back to the OP, “What's wrong with porn?”

Most of the discussion seems to center around people who perform and people who watch. Some posters have suggested it exploits innocent young women / men. Some have suggested it has a negative influence on our social mores. Some posters have touched briefly on the influence of written porn.

What about animated porn? This seems to be big in Japan. Or, how about 3D CGI porn? The only thing I've ever seen close to that, is “Tripping the Rift” and that's just sexual innuendo. Funny, but not porn.

Would it still be porn if you used motion capture like “Beowulf”? Think of that scene with Angelia as Grendel's mother when she comes out of that lake. Some friends saw that in IMAX 3D and they thought that was a show stopper.

It would be harder to get a STD while wearing a mo-cap suit. Note: Mo-cap is getting cheaper to do. I know we are years away from doing this, but would people treat this the same as regular porn?

Any thoughts?

Well what you seem to be asking for is a definition of porn. I would say that it is anything designed to promote sexual arrousal. This does raise the issue of are some kinds of porn like say granny porn really porn or is it more of a freakshow situation.

 

[JFrankA]

So, I'd be wrong, then, would I, if I were to assume that men tend to get paid less than women because they're prepared to accept less? Or that many men (compared to women) would even do it for free? Or that some men (possibly many men, especially compared to women) would even pay instead of being paid?

Sorry I hadn't responded sooner, I'm on my way to Germany to see my girlfriend. We haven't seen each other in over a year.

Anyway, again, I don't have specific numbers, but it would seem that men would take lesser pay than women, however, I have seen (and filmed) women willing to do porn for free.

Honestly, I can't answer that with any accuracy. I think that the male porno actors do make less than the female porno actresses in the big name studios. Certainly the women have a bigger following. (Name a porno actor other than Ron Jeremy). But as to the case with lesser studios, I really can't say it accurately. Sorry.

 

[JFrankA]

Hey JFrankA - just noticed you got Post #1000 - congratulations!

Thank you!! What do I win??? Oh, I hope it's free porn!!!!!

 

[Southwind17]

Well what you seem to be asking for is a definition of porn. I would say that it is anything designed to promote sexual arrousal. This does raise the issue of are some kinds of porn like say granny porn really porn or is it more of a freakshow situation.

Provided that by "anything" you're alluding to visual (or oral?!) media, such as video or magazines, I'm inclined to agree (a dildo, for example, fits your definition above!).
As for granny porn, I guess you'd have to ask some grandaddys!

 

[ponderingturtle]

Honestly, I can't answer that with any accuracy. I think that the male porno actors do make less than the female porno actresses in the big name studios. Certainly the women have a bigger following. (Name a porno actor other than Ron Jeremy). But as to the case with lesser studios, I really can't say it accurately. Sorry.

I would expect it depends on what they are shooting, and who the actors are.

 

[JFrankA]

My congratulations as well.

Back to the OP, “What's wrong with porn?”

Thanks. I'm still hoping for free porn for a prize!!!!

Most of the discussion seems to center around people who perform and people who watch. Some posters have suggested it exploits innocent young women / men. Some have suggested it has a negative influence on our social mores. Some posters have touched briefly on the influence of written porn.

What about animated porn? This seems to be big in Japan. Or, how about 3D CGI porn? The only thing I've ever seen close to that, is “Tripping the Rift” and that's just sexual innuendo. Funny, but not porn.

Would it still be porn if you used motion capture like “Beowulf”? Think of that scene with Angelia as Grendel's mother when she comes out of that lake. Some friends saw that in IMAX 3D and they thought that was a show stopper.

It would be harder to get a STD while wearing a mo-cap suit. Note: Mo-cap is getting cheaper to do. I know we are years away from doing this, but would people treat this the same as regular porn?

Any thoughts?

Something I'd like to mention about that. There was a news story here in the States that the Supreme Court (I believe, I have to check), first found that porn that is animated, (this is defined by porn that has absolutely no live human people involved in the scene), that involved under aged people was legal.

There was a big bru-ha-ha, and that decision was overturned. Now it's considered illegal if someone possesses a drawn picture of a under aged people having sex, even if there were no living human models involved at all.

So if I decide to take a software program, such as Poser, and use it to create a scene of an older person having sex with an under aged person, I can be arrested for possession of child pornography even though there is no actual child ever even touched.

To go further, in the virtual game of Second Life, there was a big deal because a twenty three year old woman and a forty year old man, age played in Second Life. There was a person who "heard" the conversation, (basically was evesdropping), and reported them. They were banned from Second Life and now child avatars are not allowed.

Mind you, the server they were on was adults only.

Why is that?

Now don't get me wrong, I do not condone actual child pornography, where an actual under aged person is involved in the shoot, but when it's obviously not a real child, all adults involved and not a shred of real photographs, why is this banned?


....oops. Gotta catch a plane.

 

[Southwind17]

Sorry I hadn't responded sooner, I'm on my way to Germany to see my girlfriend. We haven't seen each other in over a year.
Anyway, again, I don't have specific numbers, but it would seem that men would take lesser pay than women, however, I have seen (and filmed) women willing to do porn for free.
Honestly, I can't answer that with any accuracy. I think that the male porno actors do make less than the female porno actresses in the big name studios. Certainly the women have a bigger following. (Name a porno actor other than Ron Jeremy). But as to the case with lesser studios, I really can't say it accurately. Sorry.

I'm subtly trying to tease out some hot-headed zealots here but nobody's taking the bait!
BTW - you've heard of the likes of Peter North and Max Hardcore, right? I suspect we're talking different leagues here!

Thank you!! What do I win??? Oh, I hope it's free porn!!!!!

It IS free porn JFrankA! Here you go (NSFW, NSFH, NSFA - caveat emptor!)

 

[Southwind17]

I would expect it depends on what they are shooting, and who the actors are.

I think we all know what they're shooting, don't we?!

Seriously - I mean on a like-for-like basis.

 

[Southwind17]

Something I'd like to mention about that. There was a news story here in the States that the Supreme Court (I believe, I have to check), first found that porn that is animated, (this is defined by porn that has absolutely no live human people involved in the scene), that involved under aged people was legal.
There was a big bru-ha-ha, and that decision was overturned. Now it's considered illegal if someone possesses a drawn picture of a under aged people having sex, even if there were no living human models involved at all.
So if I decide to take a software program, such as Poser, and use it to create a scene of an older person having sex with an under aged person, I can be arrested for possession of child pornography even though there is no actual child ever even touched.

I find this hard to believe (not suggesting you're wrong JFrankA, just find it hard to believe). Why? Because when it comes to sex, legal ages of consent are defined which, clearly, can only apply to humans. How can drawn or animated porn possibly be legally construed as under-age sex?! I think it could have been another law that was being flouted - maybe just some general "obscenity" law. I'm really struggling to see how a "child pornography" charge could possibly stick when:

1. there's no actual person involved, let alone a child and
2. even if 1. stuck, how do you determine the "age" of a fictitous character?

 

[Marcus]

I find this hard to believe (not suggesting you're wrong JFrankA, just find it hard to believe). Why? Because when it comes to sex, legal ages of consent are defined which, clearly, can only apply to humans. How can drawn or animated porn possibly be legally construed as under-age sex?! I think it could have been another law that was being flouted - maybe just some general "obscenity" law. I'm really struggling to see how a "child pornography" charge could possibly stick when:

1. there's no actual person involved, let alone a child and
2. even if 1. stuck, how do you determine the "age" of a fictitous character?

They have a system they use to estimate the age of models, they probably use the same one for animations. They assign point values to things like secondary sexual characteristics, and the resulting analysis is legal in cases where the age of the model is not known. It's full of holes, I know, we've all seen 13 yr olds who would register as adult on such a scale.