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Moderated What's wrong with porn?

Southwind17 said:
I know what you mean here (especially the last sentence (except that it isn't a bank ;))!). However, there's a key difference. If one watches Heat one doesn't tend to well up a raging desire to go and stage an armed heist. In contrast, if one watches a porn movie, well ... certain involuntary physiological things tend to happen which usually culminate in a physical "reaction", whether alone or otherwise(!) See what I mean? Clearly, porn is a much more effective stimulus for physical reaction than a violence scene is, acknowledging the hugely different consequences too, which is, of course, also a factor.
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I believe that that depends on the individual and the context of the movie. The reaction you are talking about is no way limited to porn. For example, a lot of people like tearjerkers. Definitely not porn, but still brings out a strong emotion. There are inspirational movies, and even advertisements, movies that make us laugh, (that's about as involuntary physiological reaction as one can get), and movies that make us scream. I know when I first saw "Psycho" (the real Alfred Hitchcock version), I couldn't take a shower for a week.



...err, don't worry, I took baths that week... :)
 
BTMO said:
Surely the beard in the picture is a clue?!?!?!
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Sorry, I play World of Warcraft. When you play that you learn that one can never be sure what gender is on the other side of the computer. :)

My apologies.
 
JFrankA said:
Sorry, I play World of Warcraft. When you play that you learn that one can never be sure what gender is on the other side of the computer. :)

My apologies.
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LOL!

Yeah, I know what you mean. For what it's worth, I don't have the beard anymore.

The y chromosomes and dangly bits are still there though (given the topic of this thread, I assume I can get away with saying that)
 
JFrankA said:
I believe that that depends on the individual and the context of the movie. The reaction you are talking about is no way limited to porn. For example, a lot of people like tearjerkers. Definitely not porn, but still brings out a strong emotion. There are inspirational movies, and even advertisements, movies that make us laugh, (that's about as involuntary physiological reaction as one can get), and movies that make us scream. I know when I first saw "Psycho" (the real Alfred Hitchcock version), I couldn't take a shower for a week.
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Good points JFrankA. Realize, though, that the examples you cite are all what we might call "short-lived" reactions that one wouldn't tend to take out of the auditorium, living room or bedroom with them to the extent that they would then affect one's extraneous behaviour. Porn tends to invoke a physiological reaction which then leads to direct positive action as a consequence. See the difference?
 
I'd like to take the discussion back to this exchange, if I may:
MontagK505 said:
The irony is that the men generaly receive about half the pay as the women and while they may enjoy it, timing requires that you can't enjoy it too much or too soon. (the money shot)
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SkeptiChick said:
Indeed.
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Southwind17 said:
Honestly? I think you two are being extremely naive to see irony in the pay differential. Either that or you're being deliberately conservative in expressing your views here for fear of beratement. I think there's a much simpler explanation.
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Sorry JFrankA, could you please clarify the post of yours that I kept inadvertently overlooking (apologies again), which it seems relates to this. Many thanks.
 
I hasten to point out that I am a straight (ie, heterosexual) male, and that the "bored stiff" line is in fact a very old joke. I can't remember who first used it!
 
Southwind17 said:
Good points JFrankA. Realize, though, that the examples you cite are all what we might call "short-lived" reactions that one wouldn't tend to take out of the auditorium, living room or bedroom with them to the extent that they would then affect one's extraneous behaviour. Porn tends to invoke a physiological reaction which then leads to direct positive action as a consequence. See the difference?
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I see what you're saying but I don't agree. As I stated:

I know when I first saw "Psycho" (the real Alfred Hitchcock version), I couldn't take a shower for a week.
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People still say quotes from movies because the quote makes them laugh still, there are inspirational movies that keep people well motivated, (For example, the television show Farscape helped me focus my resolves and made me more persistent and patient. I still use some scenes in that show as inspiration to remain persistent and patient when I feel like giving up), and so on.

To say that the effect you are talking about is limited only to porn makes it sound like it has a "special power". I say that it's no more special than any other medium that plays on people's emotions and needs.

...err, gotta go to the gym. I'll type more when I'm back. :)
 
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Rairun said:
Wouldn't this kind of fit (2), though? You like thinking about going to the parade with your girlfriend. You like the thought of having a good time with her. But the reality of the parade is such that you wouldn't enjoy it at all. You can remove the unpleasant parts from your fantasy and then wish you felt that way, but you know things would be different if you were actually there with her.
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It is not so much about removing the unplesent parts though, but removing or changing my reaction to various stimuli.
 
BTMO said:
I hasten to point out that I am a straight (ie, heterosexual) male, and that the "bored stiff" line is in fact a very old joke. I can't remember who first used it!
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Why the haste, out of interest?! (BTW - "bored stiff" is a term that I've used throughout my life (so far!), although infrequently (I hasten to add!)).
 
Southwind17 said:
Why the haste, out of interest?! (BTW - "bored stiff" is a term that I've used throughout my life (so far!), although infrequently (I hasten to add!)).
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You never know when there are ladies watching...

;)
 
JFrankA said:
I see what you're saying but I don't agree. As I stated:
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I know when I first saw "Psycho" (the real Alfred Hitchcock version), I couldn't take a shower for a week.
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There's no cause to be afraid to agree with me now and then JFrankA! ;)
You see, what you describe above is actually direct negative action. That's very different from direct positive action. You might recall my writing before about differentiating between having disgust towards certain people depending on whether their behaviour is active or passive. This is similar. See the difference now?

JFrankA said:
People still say quotes from movies because the quote makes them laugh still, there are inspirational movies that keep people well motivated, (For example, the television show Farscape helped me focus my resolves and made me more persistent and patient. I still use some scenes in that show as inspiration to remain persistent and patient when I feel like giving up), and so on.
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Sure, but that's fully cognisant conscious behaviour precipitating simple involuntary reactions and emotions, the stimulus for which derives from your own memory. Porn, in contrast, externally stimulates and sexually arouses, which then tends to lead to secondary conscious actions that can be difficult to resist, and for some control (not that your typically normal person should strive to resist!).

JFrankA said:
To say that the effect you are talking about is limited only to porn makes it sound like it has a "special power". I say that it's no more special than any other medium that plays on people's emotions and needs.
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I never claimed that it is limited to porn, JFrankA, although porn does seem to be an outstanding example of what I'm suggesting here, which are things with "special power" (not "mystical power" or anything stupid like that, just "special" as distinct from, say, "ordinary"). How often, for example, do you wake up with wood (ah ... good old ZZ Top!) and positively act on it compared to waking up with another emotion or stimulus urging you to positively act (other than the bloody alarm clock!)? I never wake up to the urge to stage a heist or go paintballing, for example! And this is the point, porn to me seems to be very different from most if not all other external stimuli in that it tends to affect our physical behaviour (excluding other external stimuli that impact on our basic survival, such as hunger, fright, shock, etc.) I'm convinced that watching porn invokes certain physiological changes that being gravely threatened similarly does, or encountering something tangibly frightening does, for example, and that we then naturally react physically to. I don't see watching violent movies, comediens and such like fitting into the same category. They might stir our emotions, but they sure don't naturally cause or prompt is to act on them in any secondary sense like porn does.

JFrankA said:
...err, gotta go to the gym. I'll type more when I'm back. :)
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Go for it big fella - get that blood pumping hard!
 
Southwind17 said:
You're obviously incapable of following a thread or reading back beyond the current post Belz.
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Translation: "I can't be bothered to be clear about what I mean, and when asked I'd rather become adversarial than put any effort into correcting the situation."

Whichever it is, I guess that accounts for your 15,000+ posts.
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Gee, Wind, if I didn't know better I'd think you have a serious issue with people's post counts.

I suspect 5,000 are "Why?", 5,000 "What the blue hell are you talking about?", 5000 "Because!", and the rest "Well put me on ignore if you like, see if I care." (which is exactly where you're going forthwith - take solace in being my first, I like to think of myself as a patient person!) Ciao.
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Yes, that's very useful in carrying the discussion forward. If you ever decide to take your head out of that hole you've dug yourself in, maybe you can answer my questions.
 
Southwind17 said:
I'd like to take the discussion back to this exchange, if I may:

MontagK505 said:
The irony is that the men generaly receive about half the pay as the women and while they may enjoy it, timing requires that you can't enjoy it too much or too soon. (the money shot)
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SkeptiChick said:
Indeed.
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Southwind17 said:
Honestly? I think you two are being extremely naive to see irony in the pay differential. Either that or you're being deliberately conservative in expressing your views here for fear of beratement. I think there's a much simpler explanation.
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Sorry JFrankA, could you please clarify the post of yours that I kept inadvertently overlooking (apologies again), which it seems relates to this. Many thanks.
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Sure.

The pay differential is one of popularity, not scarcity. It's true that the major porno studios pay women more than men, but those studio's target audience is, for the most part, heterosexual men.

But that's not the same for gay male studios. Women, if they appeared, wouldn't be paid much because that studio's target audience isn't the same as the major porno studios. Same goes for studios whose target audience is people who like transgenders. Women in those movies are paid far less than the transgendered people.

Now the reason that the major porno studios are so is because the majority of people who purchase porn is heterosexual men. It makes sense to me that if heterosexual women were the majority purchasers of porn, that the male porno actors would be paid more than the women porno actresses.

It's not scarcity nor sexism. It's simple popularity.
 
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