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Moderated What's wrong with porn?

Three words: Girls Gone Wild. Those chicks do all kinds of things, and as far as I know they don't get paid anything. It's not even a job. It's just an adventure.
 
Sledge said:
I've seen a few threads on porn on different forums, and it always surprises me how the anti-porn brigade never bring anything than their own personal distaste to the discussion. Oh, that and a hatful of unsupported allegations: "all porn actresses were abused as children," "all porn actresses have STDs," "porn causes rape," etc. It's almost as if these people have no idea what they're talking about.
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Just to point out again that the problem with the "all porn actresses were abused as children" claim is not that it is wrong (I have no idea), just that it is irrelevant. You could eliminate all the porn in the world tomorrow and it would not change the fact that those women were victims of abuse. Whether they go into porn or investment banking doesn't make their past abuse go away, and does not stop it from happening.
 
Southwind17 said:
Isn't it funny how easily some people bark up the wrong tree?! For the record - I LOVE porn - can't get enough of it, and I don't mean the marshmallow variety that many people here will only entertain. So, there you have it. Re-read the entire thread if you need to satisfy yourself that that's not a contradiction. I guarantee you'll not find one. Indeed, just re-read the OP question. Would an anti-porn proponent really pose such a question in that way?!
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I do not think you are an anti-porn proponent. However you certainly seem to have low opinion about people who make it.
 
I would like to make an observation here, and it may be way off-base. If so, then I apologise.

Southwind17 has said that he likes porn, and in fact "can't get enough of it". He also thinks that most women who do porn don't want to do it. Statistically speaking, that means that at least some of the porn he watches is done by women who don't want to do it, and is therefore pretty much by definition, exploitative.

Now I like a bit of porn (although I have a vast preference for simple nudie pics over hardcore sex), but as soon as I start to get an impression that the participant is not enjoying it, I get immediately turned off. Now, this impression may not actually be accurate - some people may just be really good actors - but I don't find the idea of people doing porn against their will to be at all appealing.

One of my favourite sites - and the only one I've ever actually paid for (for limited periods of time) - is owned and run by a person who at least claims to be doing it voluntarily, and there is absolutely no suggestion of any kind that she's being untruthful about it. I've certainly never got the idea that she was lying about it. (link by PM request only)

So I can't help wondering how Southwind17 reconciles he admitted enjoyment of porn with his claim that he believes that most porn is exploitational. Like I said, if I'm off the mark with this, I'll withdraw the question.
 
Southwind17 said:
You're making some major assumptions here about my motives. That's dangerous!
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What is this supposed to be? A threat?

Sorry, but whatever your motives are and however correct I am about them means virtually nothing to me outside of this discussion. What do you mean by dangerous anyway? Am I in danger of being dead wrong about what your motives are? If so, I can live with that. No sweat.
 
Ron_Tomkins said:
Surely you have some serious research data to back up this claim, yes?
You wouldn't be making that claim solely on the base that you're "really really sure", no?

Or that you've talked to a "lot of women" who hate the idea of working as porn stars.... because then we have to ask you "how much is a lot of women?". You do know you're making a broad generalization which should apply to all women on planet earth, do you?

The only part you keep avoiding in this discussion is the issue of statistical evidence.
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Oh, here we go. Another example of somebody who's taken leave of his ability (if it ever existed) to realize something blatantly obvious to most other people without resorting to a scientific calculator!
 
Eric D said:
Actually he's been avoiding the entire question this thread was started for in the first place. One asks "what's wrong with porn" and he answers with questions. "Would you do it?" "Would you date someone who was in porn?"

Even if he was right about most people not wanting to be in it, so what? How on earth does that show that pornography is wrong?

The saddest part is, it's his own question.
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You have read the post where I explain why I asked the question, yes? For me, it's a little like an interview - one question often leads to another. Are you familiar with that concept at all?
 
Ron_Tomkins said:
Well, all I can say is that for someone who just starts a thread to read the views of others, you do seem to passionately take a stance against all of our collective conclusions: That there is nothing inherently wrong about porn; and that it is essentially a job like others.
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You misread me. Would you say the same about, say, Jeremy Paxman (I assume you know of him), or any other tanacious interviewer when they take somebody to task over an issue? Just because I might ask leading questions or infer assumptions to flush out more depth in a response doesn't necessarily mean I disagree with the response, or hold any particular view one way or another.

Ron_Tomkins said:
You did also make a very specific claim: That most women do not like the idea of working in porn (And the underlying assumption that maybe there is something wrong with that particular wrong industry, though I'd still like to hear your confirmation of this).
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That might well be your assumption. What, exactly, though, are you seeking confirmation of - whether it's actually my assumption? If so, I see nothing "wrong" with working in the porn industry per se, provided it's in an environment where numerous conditions are met, such as legal age, full consent, non-exploitation, medical testing, etc. It's not an industry that I should relish my children aspiring to pursue a career in, though.
 
Southwind17 said:
You have read the post where I explain why I asked the question, yes? For me, it's a little like an interview - one question often leads to another.
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Yes, leads to, but is not answered with. In your case, one question leads to you dancing around said question without ever answering it.

My question is "How is it relevant whether or not most women would want to work in porn?" You have yet to answer.


Ron's question is "Where is your proof that most women wouldn't want to work in porn?" Your answer was that it's obvious and you don't need proof.

Fail.
 
Southwind17 said:
If so, I see nothing "wrong" with working in the porn industry per se, provided it's in an environment where numerous conditions are met, such as legal age, full consent, non-exploitation, medical testing, etc. It's not an industry that I should relish my children aspiring to pursue a career in, though.
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Why not? If it paid well and your children were happy doing it, why should it matter? You said yourself that porn wasn't wrong, yet you seem to have quite a few issues with it.
 
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Southwind17 said:
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This is the essential question?! I'm sorry, you and I must be at cross purposes here.
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In response to you claiming most women would not want to work in porn. "what are you trying to say?" In other words, "Why is it relevant?" Don't just take a snippet of the conversation to make me sound vague in my inquiry. You know damn well what I meant, what I have been asking, and you still have not answered me. Again, you are dancing around the question.
 
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JFrankA said:
The[n] we agree that your statement is based on your opinions, your experiences, your beliefs, your idea of what a porn star is and your bias.
So is mine.
Therefore, my statement I do know that most women would love to be a porn star.
My statement is just as valid as yours.
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I'm cool with that. You don't know, I do, so what?!

JFrankA said:
You have been spending too much time with "prudes and uptight people" and not enough in civvy in the industry to know what works and what doesn't so to speak.
See how that works?
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What was all that about "making a general assumption without any facts or data to back you up"? See how that works?!

JFrankA said:
No, I do not speak generally. You are.
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Well thank you for clarifying that not insignificant point. :rolleyes:

JFrankA said:
And I've been around enough to know that you are making a general assumption without any facts or data to back you up.
You are, simply, believing your opinion is true fact.
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You might well have lived your life (so far) wearing blinkers and ear muffs, but I can assure you I haven't.
 
JFrankA said:
Because you have stated in past posts that
"Regular" women think that doing porn is degrading ...
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I'm not sure I used the word "regular" (could be wrong). I think I wrote "most".

JFrankA said:
... you would never date a porn star because of diseases ...
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I don't think I stated that ...

JFrankA said:
... and they have low self-esteem
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... or that ...

JFrankA said:
... and people in the industry don't have the "civvy" to understand how the real world works....
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... or that.

JFrankA said:
........those posts you put up leads me to the conclusion that you think that porn stars, the people who would date them, and people in the industry are less than normal.
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Yes, I can see now why you might draw this conclusion.

JFrankA said:
That's why you come across as anti-porn. For someone who claims that you like it a lot, you sure seem to think little of the people who work in it.
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Yes - not easy to square that one, seemingly!
 
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