What Really Happened on 9/11?

[RandFan]

Are you kidding me? Do you really believe what you just said? He, along with many others are proposing a theory that it wasn't Osama bin Laden to pull off these attacks. As stated before...there are waaaayyyy too many holes in the official story. Look at how much money some of the top leaders in this country are making. Dick Cheney is raking in the green, mixed with Iraq and New Orleans. They do not care for the public interest, they simply want more money, more power. After all, power corrupts.

I tried to post some evidence here, but found that I can't post URLs until I have 15 posts...

Post the links with out the "html://" I'll check it and post it if it is appropriate.

So there could be a motivation for exploiting Iraq and Katrina, do you honestly think Cheney was behind the hurricane? I think we need an investigation into Cheney's ability to control the weather.

 

[Pardalis]

So there could be a motivation for exploiting Iraq and Katrina, do you honestly think Cheney was behind the hurricane? I think we need an investigation into Cheney's ability to control the weather.

Remember the government... or is it the globalists... have means to controll the weather in order to wage war. They're the ones responsible for the recent Iranian earthquakes.

 

[headscratcher4]

Post the links with out the "html://" I'll check it and post it if it is appropriate.

So there could be a motivation for exploiting Iraq and Katrina, do you honestly think Cheney was behind the hurricane? I think we need an investigation into Cheney's ability to control the weather.

Well, he shot that guy in Texas to warn him against talking didn't he? What more proof could you possibly need? Some times when you see footprints in the snow you can deduce that a bird's nest is being built in the Amazon.

 

[ntech]

You are a liar. Im not going to explain why you are a liar. Im just going to call you a liar. Because obviously you are. Because there obviously were secondary explosions. I can't actually show you any but your still a liar. Because there were. Dont use any fancy words like "evidence" and high faluting concepts like "Occams Razor". Only liars do that. Your all liars with your skepticism, need for facts, peer reviewed evidence and common sense. The word of two "scientists" who aren't actually structural engineers is enough for me. Its so obvious why can't you see it? And dont give me all this peer-reviewed articles by genuine scientists pish, which use fancy stuff like mathematics and physics. They are liars. Like all of you. LIARS LIARS LIARS!!!!

Hmmm...no sorry Im not doing woo. It makes me feel ill.

Your diatribe tells me your an impatient woo woo

 

[Nyarlathotep]

Are you kidding me? Do you really believe what you just said? He, along with many others are proposing a theory that it wasn't Osama bin Laden to pull off these attacks. As stated before...there are waaaayyyy too many holes in the official story. Look at how much money some of the top leaders in this country are making. Dick Cheney is raking in the green, mixed with Iraq and New Orleans. They do not care for the public interest, they simply want more money, more power. After all, power corrupts.

I tried to post some evidence here, but found that I can't post URLs until I have 15 posts...

Oh goody, more links to conspiracy web sites.

Get your post count up, I can hardly wait.

 

[Shaun from Scotland]

Your diatribe tells me your an impatient woo woo

Thats because my anti mind control faraday cage made from Oh Henry wrappers has blown off in the wind

 

[DavidJames]

Look at how much money some of the top leaders in this country are making. Dick Cheney is raking in the green, mixed with Iraq and New Orleans. They do not care for the public interest, they simply want more money, more power.

I'm one who believes Cheney's relationship with Halliburton is an example of a situation which allows for the possibility of to much influence in a politicians decision making.

However, going from a possibility to reality requires evidence and we should not assume guilt. Further, going from possibility of influence to accusations of treasons events requires extraordinary evidence.

I'm waiting...

 

[CptFarlow]

Oh yeah. From personal experience, I can tell you that a big attraction of conspiraicy theories is the fact that you feel special because you know THE TRUTHtm.

I thought I knew THE TRUTHtm for over 4 years. But about a month ago, I was only searching the net, when I came upon one of the 9-11 research website. They raise a lot of good questions. Why did NORAD not do their job on that one day? Why did the President not do anything when he was told planes were flown into the WTC? Why did Larry Silverstein rent out the complex just before it was destroyed? What about the put options on the different airlines stock? What about the FBI confiscating tapes of the Pentagon attack? Why did WTC7 collapse? Other buildings were damaged more than that one, yet it collapsed perfectly onto itself. Don't believe me? Look up pictures yourself. You guys aren't dumb...I respect you for having an opinion, but even I can't deny evidence like the squibs.

You can say that was material being ejected out the side of the building...but why would it come out in localized spots? Also, you can clearly see, in video of the collapses, that some squibs were several stories below the collapse wave. Also, if the building really did pancake, why was there no resemblance of the floors being stacked on the ground? The concrete, steel and other materials were pulverized...along with the huge steel core, which seems to have dissapeared.

Don't get me wrong, I think would have been very hard indeed to get explosives in there, place them without anybody knowing, and keeping people quiet, but none-the-less, the evidence does suggest that explosives were used. The second tower to get hit was struck at an angle and most of the jet fuel sprayed out in the massive fireball, yet that tower fell first. The odd things was, they both fell exactly the same way, despite being hit very differently. And why would the entire thing collapse? Only the top part was damaged, why would the mid and lower levels have any reason to fall? I don't think anybody questioning the official story is trying to prey on the deaths of those lost on that day. I didn't know a single person that was directly affected by the events of that day, yet I still want to know the truth. I am fighting to find out what really happened, and spread the truth. The Bush administration has made way too much money from 9/11 and the events preceding for it to be overlooked. That's another peculiar aspect of that day...the 9/11 Commission never investigated the money trail for that day...claiming that it was of little importance. Little importance?! I think it is very important.

I knew the government's "truth" for quite a while now...but no more. I'm not going to sit around and let this kind of thing happen, when there is the remote possibility that what they say isn't true.

 

[Pardalis]

I'm one who believes Cheney's relationship with Halliburton is an example of a situation which allows for the possibility of to much influence in a politicians decision making.

However, going from a possibility to reality requires evidence and we should not assume guilt. Further, going from possibility of influence to accusations of treasons events requires extraordinary evidence.

I'm waiting...

The shear amount of ludicrous 9-11 conspiracy theories will only overshadow the conspiracies that very well might be true. I'm not saying dismiss all conspiracies, but please be rational.

 

[RandFan]

Well, he shot that guy in Texas to warn him against talking didn't he? What more proof could you possibly need? Some times when you see footprints in the snow you can deduce that a bird's nest is being built in the Amazon.

 

[CptFarlow]

Post the links with out the "html://" I'll check it and post it if it is appropriate.

So there could be a motivation for exploiting Iraq and Katrina, do you honestly think Cheney was behind the hurricane? I think we need an investigation into Cheney's ability to control the weather.

Did I say that Cheney controlled the weather? No. So why the f*ck would you think something like that?

What I was referring to was the fact that there are many neighborhoods, mostly black communities, that are still flooded, still without power. They aren't sure when, if ever, power will be restored.

 

[richardm]

You can say that was material being ejected out the side of the building...but why would it come out in localized spots?

Why wouldn't it? Skyscraper windows are strong. The pressure builds until they give way, but they don't all give way at once, and once one goes the pressure is relieved for the others.

The odd things was, they both fell exactly the same way, despite being hit very differently. And why would the entire thing collapse? Only the top part was damaged, why would the mid and lower levels have any reason to fall?

Come on, all this has been picked over time and time again and quite plausible explanations have been offered. Why are you still presenting them as though they are amazing new insights?

Edit: Sorry, I didn't realise that you'd only just joined up, I thought I recognised your username. But this has been gone over several times on these forums - have a quick search and a read and see what you think.

 

[Pardalis]

Dick Cheney is raking in the green, mixed with Iraq and New Orleans.

You must admit that's a pretty loose statement...

 

[Manny]

Le sigh.

Why did NORAD not do their job on that one day?

As opposed to when? All the other days with multiple airline hijackings where the planes were flown into buildings rather than used for negotiations? They're 0 for 1.

Why did the President not do anything when he was told planes were flown into the WTC?

Same reason people stayed in the South tower -- there were all kinds of conflicting reports as to what had happened.

Why did Larry Silverstein rent out the complex just before it was destroyed?

Because he won the open, public bidding process that had been in the works for years beforehand.

What about the put options on the different airlines stock?

Part of a hedging strategy. It was a successful trade.

What about the FBI confiscating tapes of the Pentagon attack?

Of course they did! That's what the FBI does -- they seize evidence.

Why did WTC7 collapse? Other buildings were damaged more than that one, yet it collapsed perfectly onto itself.

It was gouged out on the south side by a big piece of the north tower (controlled demolition? Ask the guys who had to fix the Verizon building) and because Rudy Guiliani had, against the advice of every single person on planet earth, put a big honkin' fuel oil tank in the building. Also, it had no interior columns and the fireproofing was inferior to that of older buildings.

Hope that helps.

 

[CptFarlow]

You must admit that's a pretty loose statement...

You are right...I can't argue that. I read an article in The Nation just the other day about New Orleans. The Bush administration has largely ignored N.O. Like I said, many of the neighborhoods are still not up. Large parts of the city are still vacant, whereas the commercial part is up and running...

 

[Pardalis]

Of course they did! That's what the FBI does -- they seize evidence.

especially when it concerns the Pentagon!

 

[CFLarsen]

Why did NORAD not do their job on that one day?

What do you mean?

 

[RandFan]

Did I say that Cheney controlled the weather? No. So why the f*ck would you think something like that?

We'll let's see.

Dick Cheney is raking in the green, mixed with Iraq and New Orleans. They do not care for the public interest, they simply want more money, more power. After all, power corrupts.

I'm just following your logic. If you don't like where it leads then perhaps you should be a bit more judicious making it.

What I was referring to was the fact that there are many neighborhoods, mostly black communities, that are still flooded, still without power. They aren't sure when, if ever, power will be restored.

I think this is called moving the goal posts but even if I allow for it it is a non sequitur.

You need to sharpen your argument. Dude, you might have a point but it is completely lost in your muddled statements. Look, take a deep breath, think about what your point is and figure out the best way to make it using logically valid argument.

So, your proposition is what? I don't even know. I know the premises.

1.) Cheney has made lots of money from Iraq and Katrina (cite please).
2.) New Orleans is still a mess after all this time.
3.) Power corrupts.
4.) Cheney has power.

Ok, assuming all of this, what is your proposition and how do we follow these premises via inference to arrive at your proposition?

 

[Bronze Dog]

What do you mean?

He means the government is perfect and infallibly efficient, so when something doesn't go perfectly, there's shenanigans involved.

 

[Pardalis]

It is true that the Bush administration was grossly incompetent with the New Orleans catastrophe. But assuming there's a conspiracy behind it all is a BIG stretch.