Donks said:
Yes, cartainly. But It may be possible, anyone just indicate not tell exactly-- the secret, in the interest of homeopathy.
I repeat; "memory of water" experiance may not be wrong/fake, but could have tested with some mistakes.
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Yes, cartainly. But It may be possible, anyone just indicate not tell exactly-- the secret, in the interest of homeopathy.
I repeat; "memory of water" experiance may not be wrong/fake, but could have tested with some mistakes.
EHocking
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I probably took the comment the wrong way, but hey, colour me a touch sensitive, I work with Indians and Pakistanis as well as working *in* Pakistan. Knowing the track record of the posters here, I wasn't too worried about the comments getting out of hand, it just didn't sit well.TheBoyPaj said:
His PhD claims remind me of a Jasper Carrott joke though,
"'I left school with O'levels in 'Art' and 'IT'. . . . which meant I was only qualified to paint computers for a living".
Then you are failing at your duty. Quite miserably, I might add. You refuse to use proper scientific protocols, refuse to accept proper scientific evidence, and refuse to accept current theories. Is there anything about science you like?Kumar said:
Excellent! Then if you are a teacher you will be able to explain to us in clear and concise terms how homeopathy works. And you will tells us for free, because you are such a benevolent person.Dr. MAS said:Zep said: What makes me think that all Dr MAS ever wanted to do was try and sell us something in a bottle - either a framed picture, or some magic water...
Dr. MAS: This is another blame on me and over homeopaths.
I never took any consultation charges for the last 18 years.
I also provide free homeopathic medicines.
I am teaching in three homeopathic medical colleges free.
I work as free scientific research officer.
I arrange free international homeopathic seminar, in which I invite homeopaths and general public. This is also free. Even I do not charge for luch and tea break.
I arrange free homeopathic medical camp. I provide health care facilities free. The test, we conduct also free like LFT, blood tests, Ultra sound and x-rays etc.
I programmed different homeopathic software and deliver to homeopaths free of cost even postal charges were not taken.
I am not a businessman who came here to sell his product. I am not a beggar of your coins.
The whole Pakistan is viewing and reading this post. Everybody is witness of this post. My phone number and address and location are written. One cannot claim so openly.
I await your teaching here. So do we all. The floor is yours. Please proceed. Take your time. Carry on!
Hmmm, nope. Not unless you find a way to refute that pesky Mister Avogadro and his oh so inconvinient number. And then dismiss all evidence that supports him. And produce some evidence that supports your position. Long ways to go, no steps taken in 200 years. Better hurry.Kumar said:
And then there's this, which makes absolutetly no sense. Are you offering festivals as evidence of some kind in support for what exactly? The only relation I can see is that there's lots of alcohol there...Festivals/occasions with colours can be somewhat indicative.
Mojo
Mostly harmless
Dr. MAS's entry says:Kumar said:
Hang on, where have his PhDs got to?
A list of homeopaths in the Punjab. So what.Kumar said:
Here's the Pakistani Medical Research Council. I can't find the word "homeopath" on their site anywhere - maybe they aren't researching it? I can find a LOT of current medical research subjects, though. Maybe they ARE researching those.
Wonder why... Can you tell me the answer? Nope, thought not.
Even if there is a single molecule, what is it supposed to do?
I know what it can do, ziltch, but what is it supposed to do? How is the magic water/pill supposed to treat anything?
Is it supposed to do a Rocky impression and KO all the bad molecules?
What?
I know what it can do, ziltch, but what is it supposed to do? How is the magic water/pill supposed to treat anything?
Is it supposed to do a Rocky impression and KO all the bad molecules?
What?
Just on the subject of the Avagadro number, it’s quite enormous!!! (6.02 x 10 x 10 x…..etc to 23). One of my old chemistry texts says that the number would be equal to the number of blades of grass in lawn that completely covered 22 Earth-sized worlds. And there are 55 such numbers of water molecules in a litre of water!
This is the next EXCELLENT question after the dilution/succussion silliness. Let me just reiterate this for Kumar, and go over it for Dr MAS.Ossai said:
Consider a beaker of "pure homeopathic" water used for making remedies. Let's assume that it is absolutely pure water, no contaminating molecules whatsoever (impossible, but let's just pretend). Once put in the container, it then comes into contact with all the gases in the air nearby, the glass or metal of the container, and any paint and/or plastic used in containing and mixing the remedy. In addition, at room temperature, many gases areactually dissolved in water. From each of these sources the water contacts untold billions of atoms, ions and molecules of just about every element and compound there is. Some are readily absorbed, and they dilute into the water, or form various new compounds. Some are less soluble, and some not at all. Even the glass molecules (various silicon oxides) absorb a very tiny amount into water - to the tune of probably only a few billion per ml.
Which means that the base "pure" water, before any remedy is added, contains just about all the known elements, and probably thousands of organic compunds, all in various states of solution, before the "mother tincture" is added. And the problem is that the "mother tincture" is more than likely just one of these dissolved substances, such as sodium chloride.
So when the dilution/"potentisation" process happens, the plain homeopathic water being added to dilute the remedy already contains relatively high concentrations of the tincture being potentised. Which leads to an obvious question: How does the homeopath ensure that the selected atoms from the tincture, which are identical to billions of atoms already in the water, gets selected to "proceed" at every step of the potentisation process?
Of course, they can't. They cannot select one specific drop in the ocean; they cannot select one sodium or chlorine ion from any other in the solution. But they will waffle on as though the homeopathic potentisation process CAN do this. But at this point it's quite clear that the whole potentisation process is a total sham. And as it is central to homeopathic medicine, that's a problem.
There's a more obvious solution for the homeopaths to take here: If every remedy contains pure "homeopathic" base water that has every known element and many organic compounds already, why bother to add the mother tincture and do succession at all? Already the water has the homeopathic curative power without all that expensive dilution process! And what's more, it should be the perfect cure for every homeopathic patient whoever shows up at the door because of what it contains.
And if it doesn't work first time? Why, you just change to water from another tap or jar and try that instead. Obvious, no?
Ladewig
Homeopathy can:
1. Charge believers outrageous sums of money for very small amounts of water or sugar pills.
2. Cause believers to forgo actual medical care.
3. Allow the homeopathic Dr. to get rich off the suffering of others without making any significant contribution to their well being.
4. Boldly make unsupported claims, yet when testing actually comes up allows them to turn tail and run while still attracting believers.
Homeopathy can not:
1. Support any of it’s many assertions.
2. Pass a single controlled double blind test.
3. Actually affect a patient beyond the placebo effect.
4. Be used for the betterment of humanity.
Ossai
Just a short list to start with.
Homeopathy can:
1. Charge believers outrageous sums of money for very small amounts of water or sugar pills.
2. Cause believers to forgo actual medical care.
3. Allow the homeopathic Dr. to get rich off the suffering of others without making any significant contribution to their well being.
4. Boldly make unsupported claims, yet when testing actually comes up allows them to turn tail and run while still attracting believers.
Homeopathy can not:
1. Support any of it’s many assertions.
2. Pass a single controlled double blind test.
3. Actually affect a patient beyond the placebo effect.
4. Be used for the betterment of humanity.
Ossai