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What do Mormons Believe?

Originally Posted by DOC

Wouldn't you agree that the average Mormon high school student does not know that it is Mormon theology that God lives on another planet in human form. Also I have heard that it is Mormon theology that God's body is flesh and bone but does not have human like blood. Would you say that is correct.



joobz said:
DOC, I get the sense that you think the Mormon view of god is somewhat bizarre. Why is it? Why is a being living on another planet less likely than a spirit form being?
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It is extremely bizarre when you compare it to mainline Christianity (Catholics and Protestants). Once again the Mormons do some good work and their mission work certainly has to be admired. But I have to believe that 99% of the non-Mormon population is not aware of this extreme difference in the concept of God.

I get the feeling that this difference is being swept under the rug. Sooner or later it has to come out so I think Mormons should open up about this fact to the people they are trying to convert rather than suddenly springing it on them down the road.

In answer to your last question nowhere in the bible does it say that God lives on another planet in human form, and at one time God was just a regular human like you and me (Mormon theology). Thus if you believe in the Bible it is not only less likely but extremely bizarre.
 
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DOC said:
Originally Posted by DOC

Wouldn't you agree that the average Mormon high school student does not know that it is Mormon theology that God lives on another planet in human form.
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When I was a Mormon and in High School I was aware of this. I will concede, however, that I was not "normal.":cool:
 
DOC said:
It is extremely bizarre when you compare it to mainline Christianity (Catholics and Protestants). Once again the Mormons do some good work and their mission work certainly has to be admired. But I have to believe that 99% of the non-Mormon population is not aware of this extreme difference in the concept of God.
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It's 88.7221787%

What's with the "99%"? Is that just the typical figure of speech to denote most?

I grew up in Utah and I have no idea what most know about god. I would be seriously surprised if you are right since this was often a topic of conversation in most if not all areas I lived in (my family moved a number of times when I was growing up and I served a mission and moved myself a few times after I was married and before I stopped going to church).

So, I guess based on my anecdotal experience I would have to disagree with you, well, at least to a large degree. The crap about the blood I've never heard of but god living on Kolob is a big thing and is covered in song "If I could hie to Kolob".

I get the feeling that this difference is being swept under the rug. Sooner or later it has to come out so I think Mormons should open up about this fact to the people they are trying to convert rather than suddenly springing it on them down the road.
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There is a lot of extreme dogma that isn't known by most non-Mormons. Like Scientologists Mormons depend on ignorance to keep potential new members from avoiding the church altogether. It's a concept called milk before meat.

In answer to your last question nowhere in the bible does it say that God lives on another planet in human form, and at one time God was just a regular human like you and me (Mormon theology). Thus if you believe in the Bible it is not only less likely but extremely bizarre.
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:D

Christian Theology:
Wine turns to blood. Bread turns to human flesh.
A guy lives in the belly of a fish for days (yes I know of the story of the sailor trapped in a whales stomach for a short time).
Zombies rise from the dead after Christ dies.
Parents throw stones at their children until they die.
A man takes his most loved and cherished son into the mountains to kill him.
The great emancipator, Moses, orders his soldiers to murder infants.

What is bizarre that anyone should not take this horse***t as bizarre but think that Mormon theology is bizarre by comparison.

Mormon theology IS bizarre. Christians, look in the mirror. The bible is a collection of stone age to bronze age myths.
 
RandFan said:
...but god living on Kolob is a big thing and is covered in song "If I could hie to Kolob".
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Shouldn't be that hard to get to St. George.. Though I don't know that Kolob is that lake where I'd choose to spend eternity:D
 
mylfmyhnr said:
Shouldn't be that hard to get to St. George.. Though I don't know that Kolob is that lake where I'd choose to spend eternity:D
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There are worse places in the world.

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A few things that mormons believe:

1) If they are a good person and get married in thier temple that when they die they will be like GOD and get thier own planet to riegn over and the wife they had here on earth they will also have in heaven and they will continue to make spiritual babies to populate the planet they riegn over.

2) They believe that before GOD was GOD he was a man.

3) Jesus and satan are brothers


Some things they do thier best to hide are the fact that joseph smith was convicted in a federal court of peep stone gazing which is a con used back in his day to swindle people out of money. the idea was that with a special stone you could use it (like people use water witchs) to find buried treasure.

many momons do not really know the full extent of what thier church believes they just grow up in it and it becomes a life style cloaked in the good deeds of thier family, welfare, and missionary programs.
 
mylfmyhnr said:
True! the area has it's benefits and can be very pretty... But I hate the desert. Hate it, Hate it, Hate it. I only go because I love my Grandmother! Though the thunderstorms over the mountains sometimes makes the trip worth it.
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Understood. It's paradise for me. I spent my honeymoon there and many of my summers were spent there.
 
Thomas1016 said:
A few things that mormons believe:

1) If they are a good person and get married in thier temple that when they die they will be like GOD and get thier own planet to riegn over and the wife they had here on earth they will also have in heaven and they will continue to make spiritual babies to populate the planet they riegn over.
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Mormon's believe this, it's true. I think it is BS like any other religious BS but it is damn good BS. Far, far better than worshiping at the feet of Christ for all eternity.

Some things they do thier best to hide are the fact that joseph smith was convicted in a federal court of peep stone gazing which is a con used back in his day to swindle people out of money. the idea was that with a special stone you could use it (like people use water witchs) to find buried treasure.
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This is true and I think it fair to say most Mormons are ignorant of this fact.

many momons do not really know the full extent of what thier church believes they just grow up in it and it becomes a life style cloaked in the good deeds of thier family, welfare, and missionary programs.
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This is a vacuous statement. Forgive me, I don't mean to simply attack but you are not saying anything. What group of people know the full extent of what the group believes? Full is an absolute. I would say that Mormons are well versed in much of Mormon dogma but are ignorant of many aspects as are many Christians ignorant of many aspects of their beliefs.
 
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In answer to your last question nowhere in the bible does it say that God lives on another planet in human form, and at one time God was just a regular human like you and me (Mormon theology). Thus if you believe in the Bible it is not only less likely but extremely bizarre.


RandFan said:
:D

Christian Theology:
Wine turns to blood. Bread turns to human flesh.
A guy lives in the belly of a fish for days (yes I know of the story of the sailor trapped in a whales stomach for a short time).
Zombies rise from the dead after Christ dies.
Parents throw stones at their children until they die.
A man takes his most loved and cherished son into the mountains to kill him.
The great emancipator, Moses, orders his soldiers to murder infants.

What is bizarre that anyone should not take this horse***t as bizarre but think that Mormon theology is bizarre by comparison.

Mormon theology IS bizarre. Christians, look in the mirror. The bible is a collection of stone age to bronze age myths.
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Christ used the term wine and bread as symbolism for his own body and blood.

I for one believe it is theoretically possible for a person to live in the stomach of a huge whale. Christ for One believed it. Christ also respected Moses and Issac. Yes, people who were believers in Christ did rise from the dead near the same time as Christ. If you want to call them Zombies, that's your right I guess... Maybe that's why there were Christians in Rome only 30 years after the Crucifiction. Seeing dead people rise from the dead could make a movement spread fast (even if you could be killed for your beliefs).

But the bottom line is all of the above is in the Bible and Christ never criticized it. But once again nowhere is it in the Bible that God lives on planet Kolob and was at one time just a regular human being. I've heard it said that Mormonism takes some Christianity, some mysticism, and some freemasonry, and made a religion out of it.

Mormons and Scientologists and Freemasons have the right to their beliefs but its all the secrecy I have a problem with.

Christ was always out there walking amongst the people. Nothing was secret.
 
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DOC said:
Christ used the term wine and bread as symbolism for his own body and blood.
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We are not talking about you. We are talking about bizarre beliefs and a lot of Christians have bizarre beliefs but can't for some reason get the beam out of their eye.

I for one believe it is theoretically possible for a person to live in the stomach of a huge whale.
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For a very short period of time.

Christ also respected Moses...
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Respecting serial child murderers is bizarre. It pales in comparison to the messed up beliefs of Mormons.

Yes, people who were believers in Christ did rise from the dead near the same time as Christ. If you want to call them Zombies, that's your right I guess...
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It's bizarre. Have you ever seen a bunch of people climb out of the grave at the same time?

If you are going to criticize Mormons for bizarre beliefs then have the honesty to admit that they are not alone. Christian beliefs are no less bizarre just because there are more Christians.

But the bottom line is all of the above is in the Bible and Christ never criticized it.
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I critisize it and I criticize Christ's failure to condemn slavery and misogyny.

But once again nowhere is it in the Bible that God lives on planet Kolob and was at one time just a regular human being.
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No, but in the Bible it says that god prayed to himself pleading to himself to not let himself be crucified. That's just bizarre.

I've heard it said that Mormonism takes some Christianity, some mysticism, and some freemasonry, and made a religion out of it.
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Sounds about right. But then Christianity took some Judaism, paganism and mysticism and made a religion out of it.

Christ was always out there walking amongst the people. Nothing was secret.
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Oh, well, that makes slavery, misogyny, infanticide, filicide, stoning, incest, brutality, cruelty, etc., etc. ok then.
 
DOC wrote
Christ used the term wine and bread as symbolism for his own body and blood.
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in the catholic church the wine/bread thing is NOT symbolic. its taken as a literal transformation of wine to blood and bread to flesh via god. (transubstansiation? is that what its called?)
 
nails3jesus0 said:
DOC wrote


in the catholic church the wine/bread thing is NOT symbolic. its taken as a literal transformation of wine to blood and bread to flesh via god. (transubstansiation? is that what its called?)
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Transubstantiation is the word. I remember talking with a friend who was once Catholic (now a Discordian who takes it way too seriously) and having to explain to him that not all Christian sects believed in transubstatiation.
 
RandFand said:
Respecting serial child murderers is bizarre. It pales in comparison to the messed up beliefs of Mormons.
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What verse of the Old Testament said that Moses was a serial child murderer.
 
RandFan said:
"Now therefore kill every male among the little ones..." Numbers 31:17

Nice, isn't it?
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Picture George Bush calling his generals in the field and ordering them to kill Iraqi children. To target them intentionally. Wouldn't we find that a bit bizarre if not downright horrific. Not to Christians. They are very adept at justifying the murdering of children by a man who was supposedly talking to god. And the Christians do this all the while calling Mormon ideas bizarre.

That, to me, is bizarre. But I guess that is just me.
 
Forgot to mention the belief that all the believers will someday float up out of their beds and cars to join Jesus.

Or that the whole world was covered by a great flood where all the animals fit into this little boat and were saved.

Or that God would murder thousands of Egyptian children.
Or that Egyptians even used Hebrew slaves to build the pyramids.
Or that the earth was created in seven days, 4000 years ago.

(Just trying to be helpful). :D
 
Kopji said:
Forgot to mention the belief that all the believers will someday float up out of their beds and cars to join Jesus.

Or that the whole world was covered by a great flood where all the animals fit into this little boat and were saved.

Or that God would murder thousands of Egyptian children.
Or that Egyptians even used Hebrew slaves to build the pyramids.
Or that the earth was created in seven days, 4000 years ago.

(Just trying to be helpful). :D
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Thank you, yes, there is a ton of bizarre beliefs but in the Christian world these are all quite normal and accepted ideas just as god living on Kolob is quite normal to Mormons.

And what is the deal with the serpent, the fruit of the tree of knowledge good and evil and Adam and Eve? Bizarre.
Lot's wife being turned into a pillar of salt.
Abraham negotiating with god. Yeah, like god was really going to negotiate with a mortal over whether or not a group of people should live or die.
Who recorded this? Abraham? The guy who heard voices telling him to load up his son and kill him? Riiiiiight.

Bob: He Joe, what's up?
Joe: I've been talking to god.
Bob: Oh really?
Joe: Yeah, he says I need to take my son on a camping trip and kill him.

Non Christians: :eye-poppi

Christians: Sounds reasonable.

Come on people, how do you get someone who doesn't think this is weird to see how weird it is? Now, god living on a planet, that's weird to Christians. Can't have that, uh uh, no way.
 
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Oh, oh, don't forget Jephthah's daughter. You are just going to love this heart warming tale.

See, Jephthah was fighting for god. Literally fighting for god. So Jephthah make a promise to god that if god will let him win the battle Jephthah will sacrifice the first thing that comes to his door to greet him...

Well, Jephthah won the battle and his daughter was the first to greet him. Yes, you guessed it folks, Jephthah murdered his daughter for god.

Again, god living on a planet called Kolob, bizarre, fathers killing their daughters for god, not bizarre.
 
I probably mentioned this before but forgot...
Doc is not even focusing on the TRUE Mormons - the RLDS! :D
Huzzah!

If he can't get that part right he seems hopelessly distracted by the glitter and powerful influence of the larger but more evil Utah LDS.
 
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