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What did Democrats do wrong?

What did Democrats do wrong?

  • Didn't fight inflation enough.

    Votes: 13 14.9%
  • Didn't fight illegal immigration enough.

    Votes: 24 27.6%
  • Too much focus on abortion.

    Votes: 2 2.3%
  • Too much transgender stuff.

    Votes: 31 35.6%
  • America not ready for Progressive women leader.

    Votes: 31 35.6%
  • Should have kept Joe.

    Votes: 3 3.4%
  • Not enough focus on new jobs.

    Votes: 2 2.3%
  • Nothing, Trump cheated & played dirty!

    Votes: 16 18.4%
  • Didn't stop Gaza War.

    Votes: 9 10.3%
  • I can be Agent M.

    Votes: 6 6.9%

  • Total voters
    87
What I'm getting from this thread is the overwhelming impression that the Democrats did nothing wrong, and Kamala Harris is president-elect.
Might be because if one dares to point out any missteps, one is labeled a DINO or worse for daring to do so.
I suspect the reason certain people want to harp on this subject is because it's not enough for them that their guy won, they want Harris to not only have lost but to be to blame for her loss. They want her to be culpable. It's never enough with these people.
Consider also the possibility that some mistakes ought not be repeated. For example, next time maybe pick a candidate who has been known to win at least one or two primary states and give them a much longer runway to campaign.
 
Consider also the possibility that some mistakes ought not be repeated. For example, next time maybe pick a candidate who has been known to win at least one or two primary states and give them a much longer runway to campaign.
Yeah, I'll do that when I'm in charge of selecting candidates.
 
it's the constant conflating of the dems and literally everyone online that disagrees that makes this topic too confusing. they'll quote you disagreeing with them and say "this is why the dems will never learn" as if you're the dems and as if they're making a good point, when neither are true
 
Yeah, I'll do that when I'm in charge of selecting candidates.
The topic isn't "What did TragicMonkey do wrong" last I checked, but what the party as a whole did wrong.

Among the things they botched, bigly, was the candidate selection process.
 
No, it was that they didn't help the middle class enough because they are focused on other matters.
Again, that's not true.
I don't think there is some objective method to prove this claim true or false, but a decent chunk of the day one EOs were directed at protecting "people of color and others who have been historically underserved and marginalized," such as Dreamers, Liberians, LGBTQ+ persons, etc.
"A decent chunk"? Is that a metric? Has it ocurred to you that there are historically marigalized people in the middle class? And that those executive orders did nothing to take away from what the Biden admin did to help the middle class?

And you are just proving me right over and over. Most people weren't responding negatively to the Biden admin helping "those people". It was the false impression said help was coming at the expense at whatever certain voters thought they were entitled to.
 
The topic isn't "What did TragicMonkey do wrong" last I checked, but what the party as a whole did wrong.

Among the things they botched, bigly, was the candidate selection process.
Who would the candidate have been if you were in charge of selecting them?
 
What I'm getting from this thread is the overwhelming impression that the Democrats did nothing wrong, and Kamala Harris is president-elect.

I don't think that follows at all. In life, in sport and in politics, It is possible to do nothing wrong and still lose.

I'm not saying they didn't do anything wrong. I'm just saying your statement above is not logical.
 
Again, that's not true.
I don't know if it's true or not, but I'm fairly convinced that swing voters were not persuaded to reject that message. In part, this is because neither the Biden nor the Harris campaign addressed the problem that Dems are viewed as out-of-touch elites more concerned with identity politics than kitchen table issues.
Has it ocurred to you that there are historically marigalized people in the middle class?
Has it occurred to you that many of those in that overlap moved significantly to the right in this election?

Ever wonder whether that shift might have been prevented somehow?
And that those executive orders did nothing to take away from what the Biden admin did to help the middle class...
Time and attention spent on identity issues did not get spent elsewhere, obviously.
It was the false impression said help was coming at the expense at whatever certain voters thought they were entitled to.
I have no idea why you believe it has been shown to be a false impression, but there is no doubt in my mind that Democratic countermessaging was weak to nonexistent on this point of attack.
 
Show me one ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ dollar that went to "those people" issues that otherwise would have gone to...whatever the hell people think it should have.
 
I don't think that follows at all. In life, in sport and in politics, It is possible to do nothing wrong and still lose.

I'm not saying they didn't do anything wrong. I'm just saying your statement above is not logical.
Of course it's not logical. But here we are.

I guess that's not fair of me. There are progressives in this thread who are willing to consider that mistakes were made. But they are almost drowned out by the torrent of voices insisting that no, mistakes were not made.

So where does that leave us?
  • Democrats had the right message.
  • Democrats had the right campaign strategy.
  • Democrats had the right candidate.
  • Democrats had the right funding levels.
  • Democrats had the right approach to ensuring the integrity of the vote.
Therefore, Harris should be president-elect. But she isn't. If the Democrats did nothing wrong, what happened? Did the Republicans not only also do everything right, but also did everything better?

This wasn't a footrace. This wasn't a case of being a perfect runner, racing against someone who is also perfect and just a little bit faster. You can't do everything right in an election, and still lose to a candidate who is supposedly doing everything wrong, who is supposedly worse than you.

Instead of pushing back on me for lampshading the absurdity of this position, maybe push back on those that are unironically taking this position.
 
Nah. Blue wall NJ. Her ads here were mostly on Philadelphia PA stations, though, so technically battleground state in terms of audience

Yeah, that was a weird position to take, talking about free reassignment operations for criminals. Unless it was supposed to allay fears of bio males in female prisons by doing ye Olde slice and dice?
She thought (probably accurately) that her only hope of getting the nomination in 2020 (the clip was from 2019) was to outflank Bernie on the left. She'd have a tough time doing that on economic issues and so decided to go for the social ones. I assume the plan was to pivot to the "former prosecutor" message once she had secured the nomination.

Note the writing on the walls where she is speaking: "Transform the White House" and "National Center for Transgender Equality Action Fund." It's pretty clear that she was not suggesting to that particular crowd that this was the way to ensure the safety of biological women in prison.
 
Show me one ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ dollar that went to "those people" issues that otherwise would have gone to...whatever the hell people think it should have.
Time and attention spent on identity issues did not get spent elsewhere, obviously. I'm going to use the magic portal in my basement to access the alternate world where that didn't happen quite as much and see if I can pull their budget documents at both state and federal levels. This may take a while, and I'm not sure if I'll ever make it back to this particular Everett branch of reality.
 
Who would the candidate have been if you were in charge of selecting them?
Saying that an open primary process would have produced a more popular candidate is not the same as saying one knows whom it would have produced. Few professional prognosticators saw Obama coming in '07 or Clinton in '91, but they turned out to be some of the best communicators the Democratic Party has produced in living memory.
 
Saying that an open primary process would have produced a more popular candidate is not the same as saying one knows whom it would have produced. Few professional prognosticators saw Obama coming in '07 or Clinton in '91, but they turned out to be some of the best communicators the Democratic Party has produced in living memory.
Okay, so you think that when Biden dropped out the Democrats should have held primaries? Would that even have been possible at that date? I don't think primaries can be called on demand by the parties, I think the states have rules about when they can happen, don't they?
 
Of course it's not logical. But here we are.

I guess that's not fair of me. There are progressives in this thread who are willing to consider that mistakes were made. But they are almost drowned out by the torrent of voices insisting that no, mistakes were not made.

So where does that leave us?
  • Democrats had the right message.
  • Democrats had the right campaign strategy.
  • Democrats had the right candidate.
  • Democrats had the right funding levels.
  • Democrats had the right approach to ensuring the integrity of the vote.
Therefore, Harris should be president-elect. But she isn't. If the Democrats did nothing wrong, what happened? Did the Republicans not only also do everything right, but also did everything better?

This wasn't a footrace. This wasn't a case of being a perfect runner, racing against someone who is also perfect and just a little bit faster. You can't do everything right in an election, and still lose to a candidate who is supposedly doing everything wrong, who is supposedly worse than you.

Instead of pushing back on me for lampshading the absurdity of this position, maybe push back on those that are unironically taking this position.

I don't think I will.

I just think US democracy simply doesn't work.

For demoracy to be effective you need an educated and informed populace and an effective and neutral press. The US has neither.

And, just for the record, neither does the UK, we're just a few years behind you folks.
 
Okay, so you think that when Biden dropped out the Democrats should have held primaries? Would that even have been possible at that date? I don't think primaries can be called on demand by the parties, I think the states have rules about when they can happen, don't they?
Really the mistake was letting Biden run in the first place, everything after that was rearranging deck chairs but... They could have had an open primary convention and possibly nominated someone not so closely associated with Biden's administration. Not sure they could have one at that point but likely would have had a better chance. Some who could have answered "what would you do differently from biden?" or "When did you realize Biden was too old?" without seeming to be disloyal. Harris was really in an almost unwinnable position. That was mostly on Biden.

I mean really, polling for the last 3 years has showed most Americans including the majority of Dems. Sure, so was Trump but at least most of his own party didn't think so.

She also had the international head winds against incompetents, so, maybe the Dems never had a chance but this election was close so anything might have helped.

Edit: I mistyped primary when I meant convention.
 
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Really the mistake was letting Biden run in the first place, everything after that was rearranging deck chairs but... They could have had an open primary and possibly nominated someone not so closely associated with Biden's administration.
Okay, so turn the clock back further and say Biden decided not to run. Who should have been the Democrat's candidate, if not Harris? I can only think of three names and two of them are too old (which actually is a consideration for some people) and the third lacks sufficient experience. And all three have baggage that Harris didn't. (She has baggage too, of course, but hers wasn't as bulky as the three I'm thinking of.)
 
Okay, so turn the clock back further and say Biden decided not to run. Who should have been the Democrat's candidate, if not Harris? I can only think of three names and two of them are too old (which actually is a consideration for some people) and the third lacks sufficient experience. And all three have baggage that Harris didn't. (She has baggage too, of course, but hers wasn't as bulky as the three I'm thinking of.)
As noted D4M10n, who knows who it would have been. Obama, Clinton, and Carter were all dark horse candidates. Granted, little hindsight here but Harris biggest baggage was not being able to distance herself from Biden in a year when incumbents were mostly screwed.
 
As noted D4M10n, who knows who it would have been. Obama, Clinton, and Carter were all dark horse candidates. Granted, little hindsight here but Harris biggest baggage was not being able to distance herself from Biden in a year when incumbents were mostly screwed.
Leaving us with "wrong candidate, but we have no way of knowing who the right candidate would have been". I doubt much can be done with that insight, if any Democratic Party leaders are reading this.
 
When The Party won the election based on a house of lies, built on a foundation of lies, is there much point in trying to figure out why the Dems lost?
We lost because we haven't found a good strategy to deal with the misinformation media empire that the GOP has built in the last 40 years.
 

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