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Waterboy Speculates on How They Got the Nano-Thermite In

I'll refrain from making sarcastic comments to conclude my posts as it seems the intended humor is lost in translation; so when I say that Ryan is holding all his good evidence in the hole, after coming to my own conclusion that he never had any evidence to begin with, I am clearly joking.

You're right, somewhere in between translation and Poe's Law that got totally lost. Is that the point you were actually trying to make? If so, you might want to keep it a bit simpler, at least until we've learned to follow your style.

Dave
 
This is not the part of my posts you all should focus on. How about focusing on the fact that you give a guy with absolutely no evidence so much time of day. At least Jones gave you a pseudo-paper for analysis. Kevin Ryan's are a dime a dozen. Beachnut's are one in a million.


So, you're saying that you deliberately presented a weak argument, to see if you could trick people into wasting their time by responding to it seriously?

That's interesting. I've never heard of behavior like that on the Internet before.

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
So, you're saying that you deliberately presented a weak argument, to see if you could trick people into wasting their time by responding to it seriously?

Whoa, whoa, whoa......what a loaded question. I had to read it 678 times to fully understand what you are implasking(half implying, half asking).

1) I never presented an argument.

2) I was never disingenuine.

3) Serious response's were few and far between.

If you examine my original post, my motives and intentions are quite clear.

I like to draw attention to the fact that much time and energy are being spent debasing someone who never provided a shred of evidence in the first place.
 
I'll refrain from making sarcastic comments to conclude my posts as it seems the intended humor is lost in translation; so when I say that Ryan is holding all his good evidence in the hole, after coming to my own conclusion that he never had any evidence to begin with, I am clearly joking.


Huh... That didn't come through very clear at all. The way I read your post, you felt that Kevin Ryan failed to succeed simply because of procedural errors and that he was only now making up for it.

For my part, I apologize for the misunderstanding.
 
When I read the title of this thread, the first thing pops into my mind is...

"How do they get the Caramel inside a Caramilk Bar?"

TAM;)
 
Whoa, whoa, whoa......what a loaded question. I had to read it 678 times to fully understand what you are implasking(half implying, half asking).
1) I never presented an argument.

2) I was never disingenuine.

3) Serious response's were few and far between.

If you examine my original post, my motives and intentions are quite clear.

I like to draw attention to the fact that much time and energy are being spent debasing someone who never provided a shred of evidence in the first place.
The mission adaptive trap...
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I was thinking of this ...
1) I never presented an argument.
- the truth! you have no evidence or great knowledge of 911 to make an argument and you said so when you first came to JREF and unleash your massive LBRC identification skills on the world

2) I was never disingenuine.
– What is disingenuine or
disingenuous mean? I would have to disagree as we go on to…
3) Serious response's were few and far between.
– Are these your serious responses or some disingenuine/
disingenuous ones?
This reply displays inferior comprehension skills.

..., are you dense?
...
The worst part is that you're probably Canadian, as evidenced by your use of "eh". ...
eh? Were these serious responses about 911? No, eh?

Too much time is spent on your man Ryan the liar. Why do you spend time on poppycock and lies of 911 CTers?
Has anyone been able to explain how the fires in the two towers were only hot enough to cause structural failure(IE. not melt steel), yet molten metals were found in the rubble piles? Why was the steel hot enough to melt the worker's boots in the weeks post-collapse?

Could the fires that burned in the damaged sections of the towers spread as the building collapsed, and then grow into larger fires below the rubble that reached hotter temperatures?
So you know Ryan is a liar and these are lies too but you spent time on them; why can you spend time on lies you wish to study but after you saying nothing about Ryan’s new papers you call it a waste of time and prove it by wasting time… eh? Like your molten metal having anything to do with 911 is as Ryan work is.

Upset due to your own gullibility and lack of knowledge on 911 as you catch up slowly (7 years) you have entertained the false claims of idiots could be true or have some meaning/merit. You have the consfiscated/confiscated video scam.
Why haven't they released all of the consfiscated video footage? Is this available via FoIA? Also, why were the FBI so quick to respond and confiscate dozens of cameras recordings?...
You showed up at JREF unprepared except for judgment on reading comprehension skills. Now you have to scurry trying to find information so you can back out of your poor support for 911 CT dolt ideas and point out the failure of 911 CTers is total since you are unable to find evidence (as you were told but due to your outstanding reading comprehension skills you missed?)


Moreover…
Does anyone know of rumors that the towers were going to need asbestos removal and that it would cost billions? ie. possible motive?
Was there any doubt this was a big lie?
I don't believe it is strictly either LIHOP or MIHOP. ...
“It” being the moronic delusions of 911 nut case conspiracy theorists, or what?

The seriousness of your 911 effort comes down to your own posts.
... if I called Carl dense, he most probably was. ...
Based on your opinion or some evidence you forgot to present again? What does this have to do with 911? If you were serious about 911 issues you would ignore the noise and concentrate on the subject matter (unlike me with the massive LBRC; diagnosed by dr
Amnesic (spell-check can be funny)).

The topic is Ryan's new work. After reading his new work I found it worthless for 911 issues. Do you agree? Ryan is a liar and an idiot on 911 issues and it is reflected in his new work? Why are you upset and defending your attacks on other JREF members instead of concentrating on the topic?

This is not the part of my posts you all should focus on. How about focusing on the fact that you give a guy with absolutely no evidence so much time of day. At least Jones gave you a pseudo-paper for analysis. Kevin Ryan's are a dime a dozen. Beachnut's are one in a million.
What? Jones paper is better than Ryan’s double play of papers?
Did you miss the papers? Ryan wrote two papers with references galore. So you are saying the insane paper of Jones is better than the dirt dumb papers of Ryan?
Two papers to compare and contrast to Jones delusional pay to publish made up thermite scam paper. So you have refuted Ryan’s papers, all 63/142 massive referenced work? Ryan has used more sources than you have. Did you miss the papers?
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0907/S00124.htm
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0908/S00107.htm
lol, you weigh Jones’ woo as better than Ryan’s woo? Both people are frauds. Jones evidence is made up, and Ryan thinks he has evidence.
 
I meant disingenuous....

All of the questions I asked, here and elsewhere, are just questions. Beachnut, you fail.

You guys do respond to questions in the hopes that someone will read, comprehend, and assimilate new information as it is discovered and verified, right? Why do you think I post these things here, and not at Above Top Secret, or any other CT forum?

From what I had previously learned, JREF was the premier site for conspiracy theory debunking. What I found out, is that not only do you have to wade through as much ******** as any other forum to get to facts....but you'll be attacked, slandered and misquoted along the way.

Anyway, my segue out of this thread, is that I saw the uponymous movie with Adam Sandler about 12 times in theatres when a bankrupted movie theatre offered 2$ movies all summer...therefore this is the second time in my life I've spent too much time on a Waterboy.
 
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Also, his appeal was prepared but arrived 5 minutes late to the courthouse and was not accepted.

Just a second. I find this very difficult to believe. Evidence, please.
 
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I meant disingenuous....

All of the questions I asked, here and elsewhere, are just questions. Beachnut, you fail.

You guys do respond to questions in the hopes that someone will read, comprehend, and assimilate new information as it is discovered and verified, right? Why do you think I post these things here, and not at Above Top Secret, or any other CT forum?

From what I had previously learned, JREF was the premier site for conspiracy theory debunking. What I found out, is that not only do you have to wade through as much ******** as any other forum to get to facts....but you'll be attacked, slandered and misquoted along the way.

Anyway, my segue out of this thread, is that I saw the uponymous movie with Adam Sandler about 12 times in theatres when a bankrupted movie theatre offered 2$ movies all summer...therefore this is the second time in my life I've spent too much time on a Waterboy.

2 years ago this site was much more open to the so called "innocent questions". We went out of our way to explain, in great detail, the truth behind many of the bogus truther claims.

2 years, and hundreds of sock puppets later, most here are either too annoyed, or too bored with the so called "innocent questions" to take the time to explain, for the 30th time.

Sad...but true.

TAM:)
 
2 years ago this site was much more open to the so called "innocent questions". We went out of our way to explain, in great detail, the truth behind many of the bogus truther claims.

2 years, and hundreds of sock puppets later, most here are either too annoyed, or too bored with the so called "innocent questions" to take the time to explain, for the 30th time.

Sad...but true.

TAM:)

if it walks like a duck, complains when it's been shot in the butt like a duck....

@LashL

I've read over this:

http://www.google.com/gwt/n?source=...a2006.googlepages.com/kevinryanv.ullitigation

I fail to see where Ryan attempted to file for an appeal too. But I'm no attorney, so maybe I missed something?
 
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I'm not buying it, Mr. Nice Guy

Either your rhetorical skills are so poor that you can't get a simple p.o.v. across in two days, or this is just a convenient dodge. We've danced this dance too often with I'm-not-a-CT-no-I'm-not JAQers.
 
Either your rhetorical skills are so poor that you can't get a simple p.o.v. across in two days, or this is just a convenient dodge. We've danced this dance too often with I'm-not-a-CT-no-I'm-not JAQers.

He's a no-claimer. He can accurately say, "I never said that!" to any retort, because he never says anything of substance.

To me, this type of truther is the most annoying parasite since crotch leeches.
 
He's a no-claimer. He can accurately say, "I never said that!" to any retort, because he never says anything of substance.

To me, this type of truther is the most annoying parasite since crotch leeches.

I love how he states that he is never run away from a thread. Well, it's hard to run away when you never run into it in the first place.

He's one of those grooms at a wedding that says "I might."
 
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This speaks volumes.

About you or me?

http://enigmanwoliaison.googlepages.com/55ReasonsforDismissal.pdf

"Mr. Ryan did not file a motion to amend or a motion for an extension of
time by the deadline set by the court, even if that failure was by a mere
five minutes.
"

By failing to file a motion for a deadline extension, the other 3 reasons for dismissal could not be ammended, and his litigation was effectively ended, as both his claims were now dismissed with prejudice. His appeal(which was essentially moving the goal-posts) could only continue with the deadline extension.

(anyone with any type of legal background can chime in here, and if I've interchanged legal terms incorrectly, please forgive me)

The other 3 :

1) To date hadn't provided evidence in support of claims, even though none needed to be provided; a good faith move essentially for a plaintiff.

2) Current motion did not meet requirements of False Claims Act, which require allegations of a financial conspiracy.

3) ...did not meet False Claims Act in the sense that no fraud was alleged, only concern for quality of UL/NIST testing....

Now I'm really through with the thread, because I'm not even a Ryan supporter. Find and chat with me elsewhere......

Good lookin out.
 
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By failing to file a motion for a deadline extension, the other 3 reasons for dismissal could not be ammended, and his litigation was effectively ended, as both his claims were now dismissed with prejudice. His appeal(which was essentially moving the goal-posts) could only continue with the deadline extension.

(anyone with any type of legal background can chime in here, and if I've interchanged legal terms incorrectly, please forgive me)

You have misapprehended the terms and the process. A request for an extension of time is not an appeal.

On August 8, 2007, Ryan's first amended complaint was dismissed, but without prejudice on one point (the 'whistleblower' point) in that he was given 15 days to file a second amended complaint on that point, albeit with a very strongly worded caution from the court:

the Court said:
Given the possibility, however remote, that Mr. Ryan can allege facts showing, or at least from which it can be inferred, that UL violated laws or regulations, or misused public resources, in its execution of a public contract, and that he reported such facts to UL and NIST, the dismissal will be WITHOUT PREJUDICE subject to the filing of an amended complaint within fifteen days. However, in considering whether to seek leave to amend the Amended Complaint, Mr. Ryan and his counsel should be mindful that, under Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 11, assertions of wrongdoing by UL that are made without any evidentiary support could be a basis for monetary sanctions against Mr. Ryan, his counsel, or both.

The other part of his claim (i.e., that he was entitled to a public policy exception to the at-will employment law of Indiana) was also dismissed on August 8, 2007, but that portion was dismissed with prejudice. So, Ryan could have, if he wanted, filed a second amended complaint on the whistleblower point, but not on the public policy exception point.

He had 15 days to do so. He failed to file a second amended claim on time (by August 24) and on August 25, 2007, he filed a request for an extension of time because he had missed the deadline.

On August 28, 2007, the court refused to grant the extension of time because the reasons given for the request were insufficient, and the entirety of his first amended complaint was dismissed with prejudice.

Then, on September 7, 2007, Ryan filed a motion for reconsideration of that decision (as is required as a precursor to appealing the matter to an appellate court under Indiana law).

On September 18, 2007, UL filed its opposition to the motion for reconsideration.

Ryan had until October 2, 2007 to file his reply to UL's opposition, and did not do so.

Therefore, on October 9, 2007, UL filed a motion for summary ruling on Ryan's motion for reconsideration.

The court rendered its ruling on the motion for reconsideration on October 25, 2007, dismissing Ryan's motion and granting UL's motion.

At that point, Ryan had 30 days to appeal to a higher court, but he never did, despite saying at the time that was going to do so, and despite continuing to solicit donations to fund his litigation long after his lawsuit was tossed out.

As I pointed out previously, the documents are all here if you wish to read them, along with some commentary.

Hope that clears things up for you.
 
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Thank you very much for that synopsis, LashL.

Very informative. Should end or at least focus further debate.
 

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