Waterboy Speculates on How They Got the Nano-Thermite In

[DavidJames]

ImANiceGuy:

Personally, I don't give a **** about Gage. What I find fascinating is the attitude you have regarding him. You seem to think it's perfectly okay to accuse innocent people of complicity to mass murder and as evidence, lie, deceive and misstate the facts. But should someone attack him, they are ones in the wrong.

That is a fairly common attitude by a set of CTists on this forum.

Oh, and this

So basically, UL fires him after he sends crazy 9/11 Theory email from work. When Ryan sues, his case is dismissed because he has no grounds to file suit. It has no effect whatsoever on his credibility, and anyone who thinks otherwise is being unjust.

is hysterical and a genuine Stundie candidate.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

So basically, UL fires him after he sends crazy 9/11 Theory email from work.

Actually, it was a bit more than just a "crazy 9/11 Theory email". He misrepresented the Underwriters Laboratory, speaking with an authority not granted to him by the organization (let alone his education and expertise), claiming his organization did something that they did not.

That is what has the effect on his credibility. And if you need further help in understanding: it's a negative effect.

 

[Foolmewunz]

"Other very powerful and well-connected people worked in senior management at Marsh. These included Stephen Friedman, a senior principal at Marsh Capital and former partner at Goldman Sachs, who later became George W. Bush’s top economic advisor. Friedman was also a member of the Brookings Institution, the Bilderberg group, the Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, and the board at In-Q-Tel, the investment firm founded by the CIA in 1998. In-Q-Tel invests in state of the art technologies related to defense and intelligence work, including nano and chemical technologies, according to its website." - Ryan

This is an interesting claim. However, it is not a "bold-faced" lie.

The next best link provided says this:

UL describes Mr. Ryan’s claims of alleged flaws in the official explanation for the World Trade Center collapses as the product of “outrageous conspiracy theories.” (See, e.g., Def.’s (First) Mem. Supp. 2.) However, the substance of his allegations is not presently an issue. Pending before the court is a motion to dismiss pursuant to Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 12(b)(6). At this stage, the key issue is simply whether Indiana law recognizes the sort of wrongful discharge claims that Mr. Ryan alleges.

as well as this:

Regardless of the substance of Mr. Ryan’s allegations, he remained an at-will employee. The rights that Mr. Ryan was exercising and the duties that he was fulfilling do not give rise to a public policy exception allowing a lawsuit for wrongful discharge. The court therefore GRANTS UL’s motion to dismiss this claim.

So basically, UL fires him after he sends crazy 9/11 Theory email from work. When Ryan sues, his case is dismissed because he has no grounds to file suit. It has no effect whatsoever on his credibility, and anyone who thinks otherwise is being unjust. With Prejudice only means he cannot re-file his lawsuit. Besides, what new information does he provide? It seems his whole article is just linking the global business elite....like its new information business networks exist.

What I find drole, is that you can find a million of the same pages on the internet, where guys have written about secret societies, and drawn links from one banker to the next, owls and fractional reserves......and more than anything, theories on 9/11 conspiracies......the kooks are abound. Lies are not regulated via Internet.

Why don't you just leave him alone? He's happy to leave you alone I imagine....If he was any different they would have enacted SSP.

Talk to me instead, tell me why your life's so hard...

I can't tell where things that you're quoting leave off and your words begin.

Kevin won't leave me alone, though. I'm in the great unwashed public and he puts his crap out for public consumption. If he wants to address a closed-door meeting of sooper sekret conspiradroids, then let him do so. But he promulgates this stuff as research and findings.

Did you actually read his articles? Please show us where he actually links anything to evidence and not conjecture and coinsidences.

I'll leave him alone when he shuts up and stops peddling this nonsense as evidence. Until then, as long as he puts himself out as some form of authority on these topics, he gets the attention.

ETA: It's bald-faced, not bold-faced.

 

[DGM]

The documents from waterboys' lawsuit are all posted here, if you're interested. They are pretty much old news since his complaints were dismissed back in 2007 and despite his bleatings and despite his solicitation of donations long after his complaint was dismissed, he never did file an appeal.

I thought this was worth repeating

 

[uk_dave]

I thought this was worth repeating

Okay then.....

......he never did file an appeal.

 

[TJM]

The only link anyone provided as evidence is a memorandum of evidence submitted by Underwriter Laboratory's own lawyers. It is ridiculously bias; bearing in mind that UL doesn't pay those big wig lawyers buckets of cash to be non-persuasive in their litigation.

UL's lawyers, coincidentaly, only share 1 degree of separation from Goldman Sachs, and a few other doozies. I love this game.

I understand that Kevin Ryan has made some pretty interesting claims, not all of which are true, probably not most of all are true. However, a thread on JREF, devoid of Truthers, which only serves to insult and further debase a person, seems useless.

If a Truther were to stumble over this garbage of a thread, he wouldn't pay it a second thought. This thread is the exact opposite of the various topic summation's made by Sunstealer.(I think this is his/her name....you're all familiar with the posts)

This isn't even a legitimate pre-emptive debunking thread for information soon to be released....this is old news boy-os.

Sorry if you haven't found this thread to your liking, but if you were expecting in-depth analysis, sorry. The essay is worthy of ridicule, nothing more. Let's put it this way: In the paper he implies Goldman Sachs, Kroll, AON, Fuji Bank and Sumitomo Bank were somehow complicit in the attack. Well not only have I had dealings with those companies before 9/11, I'll thrown in WTC tenants Sidley Austin, Morgan Stanley and Soloman Brothers.

So if we go by Ryan's theory, I did 9/11.

You heard it here first.

 

[~enigma~]

I did 9/11.

Since William Rodriguez says he is 9/11. You just made an admission I doubt you wanted to.

 

[TJM]

Y'all should thank me. Why do you think he ran off to Rosie O'Donnell?

 

[ImANiceGuy]

Actually, it was a bit more than just a "crazy 9/11 Theory email". He misrepresented the Underwriters Laboratory, speaking with an authority not granted to him by the organization (let alone his education and expertise), claiming his organization did something that they did not.

That is what has the effect on his credibility. And if you need further help in understanding: it's a negative effect.

Well you describe it actually, while I was describing it basically.

Here's how UL themselves describe it........(basic with hints of actual):

"UL does not certify structural steel, such as the beams, columns and trusses used in World Trade Center," said Paul M. Baker, the company's spokesman.

Ryan was fired, Baker said, because he "expressed his own opinions as though they were institutional opinions and beliefs of UL."

With regards to UL's contract with NIST...

"The company said Ryan "was not involved in that work and was not associated in any way with UL's Fire Protection Division, which conducted testing at NIST's request."

However, the dismissal of his suit has no bearing on the credibility of his claims; as explained by the Judge:

Although the federal rules of notice pleading do not require plaintiffs to substantiate their claims to file a complaint, such evidence is helpful, if not necessary, when the plaintiff is seeking permission to amend a complaint and must persuade the court that the new claim is not being brought “in a desperate effort to protract the litigation and complicate the defense."

But for Kevin, not providing his substantiating evidence(assuming real existence), did not work in his favor. Also, his appeal was prepared but arrived 5 minutes late to the courthouse and was not accepted.

So basically, from 30 minutes research, I've learned that:

Kevin Ryan made claims regarding a UL/NIST scandal in an email to a colleague...He also sent it to every popular 9/11 Truth activist almost simultaneously...Ryan gets fired from UL for distributing personal opinions under the false authority of UL.....Ryan sues for wrongful dismissal and gets dismissed himself for not providing any hard evidence; making only very vague accusations of conspiracy...Ryan becomes investigative journalist and exposes world's elite in expose article...no one listens because when they were listening, he gave no evidence.

My only question is that if he had gotten his appeal in on time.....would it have been the one that overturned all of the Judge's previous rulings and validated Kevin Ryan as a hero and a patriot to the world? He was clearly holding all his really good evidence as an ace in the hole.

 

[Stellafane]

...My only question is that if he had gotten his appeal in on time.....would it have been the one that overturned all of the Judge's previous rulings and validated Kevin Ryan as a hero and a patriot to the world? He was clearly holding all his really good evidence as an ace in the hole.

Personally, I doubt it. Because it wasn't a matter of some trivial five-minute-late technicality. It was the fact that Kevin Ryan was claiming things that were incredibly hard to believe, and yet could not back them up with even an iota of real evidence. Such behavior usually presents a challenge to being acclaimed as "a hero and patriot to the world."

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Kevin Ryan made claims regarding a UL/NIST scandal in an email to a colleague...He also sent it to every popular 9/11 Truth activist almost simultaneously...Ryan gets fired from UL for distributing personal opinions under the false authority of UL.....Ryan sues for wrongful dismissal and gets dismissed himself for not providing any hard evidence; making only very vague accusations of conspiracy...Ryan becomes investigative journalist and exposes world's elite in expose article...no one listens because when they were listening, he gave no evidence.

The Boy Who Cried Wolf...

My only question is that if he had gotten his appeal in on time.....would it have been the one that overturned all of the Judge's previous rulings and validated Kevin Ryan as a hero and a patriot to the world?

Are you suggesting that he can't accomplish that otherwise? Odd...

He was clearly holding all his really good evidence as an ace in the hole.

Clearly...

I, however, wouldn't consider six degrees of separation "really good evidence", so perhaps your "was" should be an "is".

 

[dtugg]

He was clearly holding all his really good evidence as an ace in the hole.

Waterboy doesn't have any evidence. No twoofer does.

 

[TexasJack]

He was clearly holding all his really good evidence as an ace in the hole.

I think we should give him a new nickname, 51, because he is clearly not playing with a full deck.

 

[Dave Rogers]

He was clearly holding all his really good evidence as an ace in the hole.

And presumably still is, because we haven't seen any yet.

Dave

 

[beachnut]

... it basically.
... it........(basic ...
So basically, ...
... he gave no evidence.
... validated Kevin Ryan as a hero and a patriot to the world? He was clearly holding all his really good evidence as an ace in the hole.

Your delusions are basically all you have for your evidence. The old ace in the hole evidence. I bet his evidence on 911 matches your evidence; delusional opinions based on hearsay, lies and failed fantasies.

With my massive LBRC syndrome diagnosed by dr Amnesic, but yourself suffering from MUOB with ZEO911 thrown in for your super-nano-anti-intellectual moments of glory where you actually believe you have something.

Why does Ryan believe in this big delusions of his and why do you support his failed position?

Here Ryan says the buildings were destoryed by the tentants with the secret-super-nano-thermite they helped produce.

If we look at the companies that occupied the impact zones of the WTC towers, and other floors that might have played a useful role in the demolition of the towers, we see connections to organizations that had access to explosive materials, and to the expertise required to use explosives. Mining companies like Washington, Morrison-Knudsen, Komatsu and Aoki Construction (and John Lehman’s Special Devices Inc.) have access to many types of explosive materials. Oil and gas companies, like those associated with Exco, use explosives for exploration. Some of the explosive technologies available to these companies, for example Komatsu and Washington, involve thermite, a chemical mixture that has been identified in the WTC dust and in the environmental data at Ground Zero.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0907/S00124.htm

Ryan is insane (on 911 and he looks dirt dumb stupid; look at him a village idiot candidate for any movie - and he is on 911 issues) and you support his moronic rant. If it were not for your massive anti-intellectual posts I would not be amused by your total ignorance on 911 issues. This thermite lie is neat in there is zero evidence on the steel at the WTC of thermite. Zero.

Then Ryan makes up more junk ideas for those with who love moronic delusions. Do you know anyone who supports these lies and delusions?

Several facts are clear from this review of the companies and people responsible for revamping the security systems for the WTC buildings, and securing New York City, on 9/11. One is that many of the people involved were deceptive and/or corrupt, and appeared to have benefited from the attacks. Another is that many of them were connected to each other and to the investigations into previous acts of terrorism and the terrorist financing bank BCCI. Yet another striking similarity among these organizations is that they all did major work for the Saudi Arabian government, or the royal family of Kuwait. Finally, the history of some of those involved, like Terry McAuliffe, shows a level of greed and corruption that overshadowed all preconceptions about US politics. http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0908/S00107.htm

Ryan makes it up as he goes; anything he wants to the big giant delusional conspiracy theory he weaves, fooling you due to your massive ignorance on 911 issues into supporting his fantasy-land rant. Where do you delusion seekers come from to fall for Ryan who has no evidence and makes it up as he goes. As you pointed out I suffer from LBRC, you suffer from a basic lack of knowledge (on 911 issues and you got no evidence to support your delusions) and are gullible as you fall for lies on 911. The papers are the topic not Ryan's being fired for being an idiot on 911. The more you bring up tangential things about Ryan the dumber he gets.

 

[twinstead]

Holding all your "good" evidence in reserve and turning anybody who can actually do something about it totally off by presenting "bad" evidence is a pretty idiotic way to do things.

 

[TexasJack]

Holding all your "good" evidence in reserve and turning anybody who can actually do something about it totally off by presenting "bad" evidence is a pretty idiotic way to do things.

It's all timing you see, just waiting for the right moment. 8 years is very very young, I'm sure he's waiting for the TM to reach drinking age, so my guess is 13 more years he'll stun the world.

 

[ImANiceGuy]

What do you know, Beachnut missed the point again. The only reason I do not ignore all your posts is that your lack of comprehension is literally insane and makes for great entertainment. Prove that I have delusions Beachnut; demostrate evidence to support your accusation. You must think I truly believe Ryan is an investigative journalist who has exposed the global elite in his article - this is a perfect demonstration of your lack of comprehension. Can you give an example of the same for me?

I'll refrain from making sarcastic comments to conclude my posts as it seems the intended humor is lost in translation; so when I say that Ryan is holding all his good evidence in the hole, after coming to my own conclusion that he never had any evidence to begin with, I am clearly joking. (I understand that if there is a slight chance that I might not be sarcastic that you must gang up on me according to the Duhbunking handbook)

This is not the part of my posts you all should focus on. How about focusing on the fact that you give a guy with absolutely no evidence so much time of day. At least Jones gave you a pseudo-paper for analysis. Kevin Ryan's are a dime a dozen. Beachnut's are one in a million.

 

[beachnut]

Ryan is self-debunking as are his supporters. Reminds me of Balsamo and his band of failed pilots on 911.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0908/S00107.htm
The PANYNJ occupied a good deal of space in the towers, and contributed to the false WTC report from NIST. Some of its commissioners were linked to BCCI, and its WTC Director appeared to be intentionally deceptive after the attacks. Others like Silverstein Properties’ security manager John O’Neill, and FBI Director Louis Freeh, were the leading experts on Al Qaeda.

A few fringe nut case idea believers fall for these lies. Dirt dumb bait for the anti-intellectual conspiracy theorist who basically love moronic conclusions.

 

[~enigma~]

I understand that if there is a slight chance that I might not be sarcastic that you must gang up on me according to the Duhbunking handbook

Where do I get a copy and more importantly does it mention how stupid the TM and it's bottom feeding membership are?