Was 9/11 an inside job?

[Mudcat]

Ok, Mr. Critical Thinker...time to start critically thinking...

So...it's all a big cover up right? The government sent in the investigators, and the investigators are lying to cover up for the government eh? Pray tell...how many people are now involved in this conspiracy? How many? An estimate will do, but be sure to include all relevant parties. Because right now you're accusing 10's of 1000's of people of being complicant in mass murder. You're accusing 10's of 1000's of people of having no conscience what so ever. Understand that?

You're accusing...

The Bush Administration
The NY Port Authority
The NYPD
The FDNY
NIST
Mayor Giuliani and Gov Pattaki and anyone that worked closely with them on that day and those that followed.
FEMA
The ASCE
The Silverstein Group
Those who supposedly developed this super secret demolition technique
Those who supposedly installed this super secret demolition technique
Those who controlled the detonators of this super secret demolition technique
Pretty much anyone who was involved in the intelligence community prior to and after 9/11
Pretty much anyone who was involved with the recovery and clean up of Ground Zero

Get the picture yet?

Not one whistleblower...not one.

All these people would have to be "in on it".

Also

Teamsters

IUEC

UNITED BROTHERHOOD OF CARPENTERS AND JOINERS OF AMERICA

INTERNATIONAL UNION OF OPERATING ENGINEERS

INTERNATIONAL BROTHERHOOD OF ELECTRICAL WORKERS

LABORERS INTERNATIONAL UNION OF NORTH AMERICA

UNITED ASSOCIATION OF JOURNEYMEN AND APPRENTICES IN THE PLUMBING AND PIPEFITTING INDUSTRY

SHEET METAL WORKERS INTERNATIONAL UNION

INTERNATIONAL UNION OF BRIDGE, ORNAMENTAL AND STRUCTURAL IRONWORKERS

INTERNATIONAL UNION OF PAINTERS AND ALLIED TRADES

AFL-CIO

I'll admit that an "inside job" of 9-11 is certainly more probable and reasonable than the lunar landing hoax... until you factor in the sheer number of people and resources needed to set it up that is.

Where are all the people that were involved? Where did the government get the money to pay them all off? How come not a single inside man has come forward? Why bother with airplanes at all? And on, and on, and on, and on into infinity.

Obviously Relax is lying. He was a twoofer well before he came to this forum. Just another high school kid coming here to try and bring us evil jrefers to the twoof.

That was my impression as well.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Bottom line is that I cannot find anything that realistically refutes the 911 Commission Report. It's the only explanation that makes sense.

^ This. Whether or not I agree with the politics or trust the motivations of the people who wrote it, whether or not I trust minor details of the process by which it was compiled, and whether or not one or two of the more loosely-phrased statements in it are correct in the most technical or pedantic sense, it's more than just the best coherent narrative of 9/11; it's the only coherent narrative.

Dave

 

[bill smith]

^ This. Whether or not I agree with the politics or trust the motivations of the people who wrote it, whether or not I trust minor details of the process by which it was compiled, and whether or not one or two of the more loosely-phrased statements in it are correct in the most technical or pedantic sense, it's more than just the best coherent narrative of 9/11; it's the only coherent narrative.

Dave

How do you explain that more than 60% of the Commissioners themselves now essentially say that the report was a fix ?

 

[Sam.I.Am]

I essentially think that you pulled that number out of your bum Bill.

 

[Dave Rogers]

How do you explain that more than 60% of the Commissioners themselves now essentially say that the report was a fix ?

By calling your claim a carefully crafted piece of deliberate misinformation.

Dave

 

[Quad4_72]

How do you explain that more than 60% of the Commissioners themselves now essentially say that the report was a fix ?

So you have a source for this claim?

 

[cantonear1968]

I have heard that many of the people who survived the collapse/demolitions of the towers are experiencing health issues which could be related to therm*te explosives,

Oh Dear Lord!!

So therm*te really IS the all-purpose, whatever-you-need-it-to-be-in-the-moment-to-prove-your-claim product truthers make it out to be!

I have not taken it upon myself to research into it though.

That's the first factual thing you've posted.

As I personally believe that it would be surprising if they didn't have health issues since there was so much dust and debris. Just thought it may be worth mentioning.

Trust me. It wasn't.


ETA: After that, there really is nothing that occurred at the WTCs that cannot be blamed on therm*te.

 

[atavisms]

So I don't get very many chances to post on this site, and I went back about 5 or 6 pages looking for a poll but I didn't find one. So WAS 9/11 an inside job? (

hi,

the evidence is overwhelming that wtc 1,2 & 7 were blown up with preplanted explosives.

Yet if you look up 911 Truth online you will be faced with the likes of alex jones, judy woods jim fetzer. etc etc. These people are not real 911 Truth. Even IF jones does say some sensible thing occasionally it's regularly paired with pseudo-scientific crap and just plain nonsense. dont waste your time.

In the media, skeptics of the official account are literally caricatured as 'conspiracy theorists’ and the entire movement is sidelined like it's some wacky fringe. This is the only real crack so far: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2RI4N5zmWU

You can see the effects of that all over this forum. If you look in the NY Times the Harrit study does not even exist. We're so used to having our dots connected for us that something like former sec trans Norman Mineta's testimony before the 911Commiss. can be in full public view and no one notices or cares enough to even realize his testimony completely conflicts with the final report about something as deadly serious as whether or not there was foreknowledge at the pentagon.

It’s as if he never testified. No one is outraged left or right. If the press doesnt point it out it doesn't exist. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y
surely..an indication of our ignorance and apathy.

The media are silent on:ACTIVE THERMTIC MATERIAL FOUND IN THE DUST OF THE WTC CATASTROPHES. http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM and not a peep about 1500+ building pros having signed their names at http://www.ae911truth.org/
This should trouble all of us.

I suggest you research here:
http://911research.wtc7.net/index.html
*referenced facts from primarily mainstream sources with an informed commentary, -the author of which has clearly realized what will soon be obvious to you if it isn't yet. You dont need a PhD to sit on a jury to decide (using the available facts and reason) between competing 'experts' and you dont need one to know these buildings were blown up. If only because the evidence is so overwhelming. And any person whose lived for 5 minutes knows an expert can be found to say anything. That is what they're paid for - and they do as ther're told, apparently..shamefully, and so we get people like John Gross and Shayam Sunder: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDvNS9iMjzA
This is why 'appeal to authority' is on that list of 'logical fallacies.' (*'Admitting that freefall occurred in any supported structure (much less an over-designed one like wtc7) is the same as saying the supports were removed. i.e. explosives)

http://911speakout.org/
-these amazing David Chandler videos speak for themselves. On YouTube here: http://www.youtube.com/user/DavidChandler911

http://ae911truth.org/

http://scientistsfor911truth.org/introduction.html

http://firefightersfor911truth.org/

Pls Support: http://nyccan.org/

This is about looking at all the photos and videos available of the events and their debris fields. Realizing that ‘good information’ is that which can be verified and is reasonable. There's a great still archive at http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/surviving.html

911r’s video section has a way to flip through the collapse videos one frame at a time. If you do this on the Towers, on some videos, you can see the top sections were destroyed first then the bottom sections were blown up with the same destructive energy.

wtc7's implosion alone http://rememberbuilding7.org/ is completely unprecedented and clearly indicative of explosives. We know what the columns on the inside are doing because we can see how the building is moving on the outside.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ni0i2KZn9Hc

Why would we not assume its a controlled demo when the only time we have ever seen these features (in all of the history of engineering) has been during a controlled demolition? That is the logical and most obvious conclusion. Especially in light of the facts that the building had only superficial damage (from the violently exploding north tower) to it’s SE face and office fires burning on various floor uncontrolled throughout the day, Look at photos of it just before it came down. NISt is asking us to believe this was the result of a single column failure (#79) that the whole thing fell like house of cards.

The Towers:
North Tower Exploding: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSApOavkHg8

South Tower "Collapse"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhyu-fZ2nRA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrpN2CDJQcM&feature=related

Why, with all this, would investigators fail to test for explosives?? There is no logically or morally defensible reason for not doing so. Yet they didn't.

We know what happened to the steel frames of WTC7 because we can see how the outside is behaving. http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/metallurgy/WTC_apndxC.htm

We can see it acting on the South Tower at the precise spot where it will tear apart moments later: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbzdO0EPOGg right before it gets subjected to the same top-down explosive treatment the North Tower http://smu.gs/jvzZxu will undergo just a short time later.

What resulted:
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/groundzero.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/surroundings.html

Image of formerly solid steel flange from the FEMA BPAT

FROM FBAPP C Summary for Sample 1 *different than the image above. see report

The thinning of the steel occurred by a high-temperature corrosion due to a combination of oxidation and sulfidation.

Heating of the steel into a hot corrosive environment approaching 1,000 °C (1,800 °F) results in the formation of a eutectic mixture of iron, oxygen, and sulfur that liquefied the steel.

The sulfidation attack of steel grain boundaries accelerated the corrosion and erosion of the steel.

They go on to say that no source for the sulfur has been found. Sulfur has been found embedded in formerly molten steel. Sulfur can be added to thermite http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/JLobdillThermiteChemistryWTC

We know 1100 bodies are missing from the Towers. That only 70 or 343 dead FDNY were recovered. -the DNA report is as shocking as the rest of it.

Look at the fema bpat beams and all the rest of it then listen to the supposed official explanations and you will see why reasonable people (some unreasonable ones) the world over, support 911 truth. Office fires simply cannot account for what we know occurred on 9/11. How long will we allow this travesty to go on? As Americans we have a Constitutional mandate almost to be an informed citizenry and keep our leaders in check. Our 'free press' are meant to be the people's watchdog but they have clearly become gatekeepers. We only have the illusion of a free press. The proof is evident among so many examples.. (Chomsky did whole studies a whole study on this in the 1970 using the NY Times articles re Cambodia vs E Timor.) but perhaps nothing speak louder today as their silence on 9/11 and the 9/11 wars.

"How can I know? Im not an engineer' Ive heard a few times
Reason and facts is how. And there are no shortage of damning facts to the official account in this case.

Check out some of my recent 911Truth related posts if you wish. I go over what I think is some of the strongest evidence.
some is mentioned some above.

best !

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=218507
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7543648#post7543648
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7542583#post7542583

 

[atavisms]

I'll admit that an "inside job" of 9-11 is certainly more probable and reasonable than the lunar landing hoax... until you factor in the sheer number of people and resources needed to set it up that is.

Where are all the people that were involved? Where did the government get the money to pay them all off? How come not a single inside man has come forward? Why bother with airplanes at all? And on, and on, and on, and on into infinity. That was my impression as well.

Argument from personal incredulity is a logical fallacy.

Youre assuming so many people would have to be involved the thing would've been impossible to pull off..You even name (quoted) whole depts! Not a logical deduction in the face of the mountain of facts that reveal pre-planted explosives. But it is a very natural reaction. And probably a big part of the reason the perpetrators believed they could get away with it. So far they seem to be doing pretty good. The only real dynamic changer is the internet. Otherwise all we know is what we see hear and read in the corporate media.

Personal incredulity is a logical fallacy because despite how unlikely some thing or event may seem to us personally does not mean it isn't so. We must use available evidence to guide our decision. That the events of 911 occurred as documented is not in question. Neither are the facts that reveal the use of explosives.

No one is going to come forth an admit being party to mass murder and treason. Many who do realize the truth (obvious to most once they look carefully) will say nothing for a multitude of reasons. Just use your imagination. Most people are just trying to get through the day and do the best they can for their families.

Please read my other posts.

best

The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum - even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate. -Chomsky

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. -Goethe

 

[Edx]

How do you explain that more than 60% of the Commissioners themselves now essentially say that the report was a fix ?

That describes none of the commissioners. Bill stop lying to troll us to get attention

 

[Grizzly Bear]

Argument from personal incredulity is a logical fallacy.

Not so much... there's an old saying that the only way to keep a secret between three conspirators is if the other two are dead. The government, with it's huge resources has the capacity to go after anyone it sees fit as a threat, which commonly happens in dictatorships like North Korea, Iran, Syria, Cuba, and countries similar. Last I checked not only is Dylan Avery not in prison being prosecuted under the pretext of treason, he, nor any other major figure in your movent has faced criminal related charges under mysterious circumstances... nor have there ben any significant whistleblows from the disciplines that need to have been involved to carry out the conspiracy you propose.

Similar opposition to the government in the countries I cited as example have made their gestures against opposition well known and they aren't afraid to go after those they see as threats

 

[atavisms]

Look at the 'poll' options at the top of the page.

Was 9/11 an inside job?
Yes I believe the government planned it.
I am inconclusive.
I believe that the twin towers fell due to the planes.

It equates believing it was an inside job with 'the government did it' BS! I would never (and no one sensible in 9-11 Truth movement) say "the government did it' The government is made up of individuals. Ours is one of (mostly) righteous laws. Certainly people in positions of power must have abused those positions for these vents to take place as they did. For ex the changes made in the chain of command protocols for responding to hijackings made in the months before 9/11, the war games..etc show it must have gone up high. But the point is it was individuals.

But not 'the government did it.' offering that instead of 9-11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB or EXPLOSIVES WERE PRESENT is the kind of thing you see so often with regard to 9-11 Truth: misdirection, disinformation, strawman arguments and ignorance

 

[Myriad]

Atavisms, you keep telling us your opinions about which 9/11 conspiracy claims are really true, and which aren't. But the people making those other claims disagree with you, and they use the same styles of argument and seem just as confident as you that they're right.

There's really no reason to drag skeptics into your arguments against other conspiracy theorists. Why don't you work it out with them, decide among yourselves what the truth really is, and then come back and run your agreed upon narrative (and the evidence for it, of course) by us?

If you can't even convince other Truthers you're right, there's little point in trying to convince skeptics. I'm sure you can see that expecting us to referee your movement is not very realistic.

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[Sunstealer]

They go on to say that no source for the sulfur has been found. Sulfur has been found embedded in formerly molten steel. Sulfur can be added to thermite http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/JLobdillThermiteChemistryWTC

Woah! That is not true. The sulphur found is due to sulphidation which is due to a solid state diffusion process caused by high temperature and a sulphur species most likely a gas.

If you understood you would know that, but instead you spout bollocks. This sulphur nonsense has been done to death on this forum. There are dozens of materials that contain sulphur that were in the rubble pile. Wallboard is the most likely source and yes we've already done the chemistry and linked to papers proving that wallboard or gypsum can produce SO2 below 1000°C.

I suggest you actually try to learn some metallurgy, solid state physics and chemistry instead of just parroting truther memes that we've all heard a thousand times before.

Stop posting garbage and use the search function instead.

 

[beachnut]

hi, ...

Wow, you get all your knowledge from the internet. oops

hi,

the evidence is overwhelming that wtc 1,2 & 7 were blown up with preplanted explosives. ... .

And you posted no evidence. You are telling a lie, based on no evidence. Did your dog eat the evidence?

... The media are silent on:ACTIVE THERMTIC MATERIAL FOUND IN THE DUST OF THE WTC CATASTROPHES ...

Because the paper is fraud, not real. The Jones paper show they found no thermite. They did a video burning the "chips", it looked like vermiculite burning. Good job blindly believing the thermite scam, you spent zero time reading the thermite paper to comprehend the fraud.

... Sulfur has been found embedded in formerly molten steel.

The steel was corroded in fire. Did you fail to read that paper too? You have failed to provide evidence for your delusional claims, and you proved you failed to read papers on the topics you have delusions on. Double fail.

You don't understand the poll, which follows on your failure to understand 911.

 

[Horatius]

Look at the 'poll' options at the top of the page.

Was 9/11 an inside job?
Yes I believe the government planned it.
I am inconclusive.
I believe that the twin towers fell due to the planes.

It equates believing it was an inside job with 'the government did it' BS! I would never (and no one sensible in 9-11 Truth movement) say "the government did it'

You do realize the poll, and thus the poll options, was created by a truther, right? Right?

OP, how do you respond to the accusation that you're not "sensible"?

 

[cantonear1968]

hi,

the evidence is overwhelming that wtc 1,2 & 7 were blown up with preplanted explosives.

No it isn't.

Yet if you look up 911 Truth online you will be faced with the likes of alex jones, judy woods jim fetzer. etc etc. These people are not real 911 Truth. Even IF jones does say some sensible thing occasionally it's regularly paired with pseudo-scientific crap and just plain nonsense. dont waste your time.

There is no "real" 9/11 truth. It never existed in the first place.

In the media, skeptics of the official account are literally caricatured as 'conspiracy theorists’ and the entire movement is sidelined like it's some wacky fringe. This is the only real crack so far: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2RI4N5zmWU

And how is Geraldo coming with this new investigation?

You can see the effects of that all over this forum. If you look in the NY Times the Harrit study does not even exist. We're so used to having our dots connected for us that something like former sec trans Norman Mineta's testimony before the 911Commiss. can be in full public view and no one notices or cares enough to even realize his testimony completely conflicts with the final report about something as deadly serious as whether or not there was foreknowledge at the pentagon.

Because its not a real science paper and has been debunked countless times:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4607894

It’s as if he never testified. No one is outraged left or right. If the press doesnt point it out it doesn't exist. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y
surely..an indication of our ignorance and apathy.

Been Done:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68450

The media are silent on:ACTIVE THERMTIC MATERIAL FOUND IN THE DUST OF THE WTC CATASTROPHES. http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM and not a peep about 1500+ building pros having signed their names at http://www.ae911truth.org/
This should trouble all of us.

Been done:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=194752

I suggest you research here:
http://911research.wtc7.net/index.html
*referenced facts from primarily mainstream sources with an informed commentary, -the author of which has clearly realized what will soon be obvious to you if it isn't yet. You dont need a PhD to sit on a jury to decide (using the available facts and reason) between competing 'experts' and you dont need one to know these buildings were blown up. If only because the evidence is so overwhelming. And any person whose lived for 5 minutes knows an expert can be found to say anything. That is what they're paid for - and they do as ther're told, apparently..shamefully, and so we get people like John Gross and Shayam Sunder: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDvNS9iMjzA
This is why 'appeal to authority' is on that list of 'logical fallacies.' (*'Admitting that freefall occurred in any supported structure (much less an over-designed one like wtc7) is the same as saying the supports were removed. i.e. explosives)

Been done:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=108694

http://911speakout.org/
-these amazing David Chandler videos speak for themselves. On YouTube here: http://www.youtube.com/user/DavidChandler911

Been done:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=168450

http://ae911truth.org/

Been done 100 times!:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=212725&highlight=ae911truth
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=177994
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=200674
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=196132
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=189669

http://scientistsfor911truth.org/introduction.html

Ha! "Scientists"!

http://firefightersfor911truth.org/

Pls Support: http://nyccan.org/

This is about looking at all the photos and videos available of the events and their debris fields. Realizing that ‘good information’ is that which can be verified and is reasonable. There's a great still archive at http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/surviving.html

911r’s video section has a way to flip through the collapse videos one frame at a time. If you do this on the Towers, on some videos, you can see the top sections were destroyed first then the bottom sections were blown up with the same destructive energy.

wtc7's implosion alone http://rememberbuilding7.org/ is completely unprecedented and clearly indicative of explosives. We know what the columns on the inside are doing because we can see how the building is moving on the outside.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ni0i2KZn9Hc

Why would we not assume its a controlled demo when the only time we have ever seen these features (in all of the history of engineering) has been during a controlled demolition? That is the logical and most obvious conclusion. Especially in light of the facts that the building had only superficial damage (from the violently exploding north tower) to it’s SE face and office fires burning on various floor uncontrolled throughout the day, Look at photos of it just before it came down. NISt is asking us to believe this was the result of a single column failure (#79) that the whole thing fell like house of cards.

The Towers:
North Tower Exploding: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSApOavkHg8

South Tower "Collapse"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhyu-fZ2nRA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrpN2CDJQcM&feature=related

Why, with all this, would investigators fail to test for explosives?? There is no logically or morally defensible reason for not doing so. Yet they didn't.

We know what happened to the steel frames of WTC7 because we can see how the outside is behaving. http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/metallurgy/WTC_apndxC.htm

We can see it acting on the South Tower at the precise spot where it will tear apart moments later: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbzdO0EPOGg right before it gets subjected to the same top-down explosive treatment the North Tower http://smu.gs/jvzZxu will undergo just a short time later.

What resulted:
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/groundzero.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/surroundings.html

Image of formerly solid steel flange from the FEMA BPAT
[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_349174ab560a729cdf.jpg[/qimg]



They go on to say that no source for the sulfur has been found. Sulfur has been found embedded in formerly molten steel. Sulfur can be added to thermite http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/JLobdillThermiteChemistryWTC

We know 1100 bodies are missing from the Towers. That only 70 or 343 dead FDNY were recovered. -the DNA report is as shocking as the rest of it.

Look at the fema bpat beams and all the rest of it then listen to the supposed official explanations and you will see why reasonable people (some unreasonable ones) the world over, support 911 truth. Office fires simply cannot account for what we know occurred on 9/11. How long will we allow this travesty to go on? As Americans we have a Constitutional mandate almost to be an informed citizenry and keep our leaders in check. Our 'free press' are meant to be the people's watchdog but they have clearly become gatekeepers. We only have the illusion of a free press. The proof is evident among so many examples.. (Chomsky did whole studies a whole study on this in the 1970 using the NY Times articles re Cambodia vs E Timor.) but perhaps nothing speak louder today as their silence on 9/11 and the 9/11 wars.

"How can I know? Im not an engineer' Ive heard a few times
Reason and facts is how. And there are no shortage of damning facts to the official account in this case.

Check out some of my recent 911Truth related posts if you wish. I go over what I think is some of the strongest evidence.
some is mentioned some above.

best !

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=218507
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7543648#post7543648
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7542583#post7542583

Ah!! I got tired. Couldn't be bothered with the rest. It's been done 100 times over. Just take any one of Ativisms' claims and put "JREF" before it in google and you'll find your answer.

 

[I Ratant]

So you have a source for this claim?

.
It's been flushed... the source was named above...

 

[MIKILLINI]

Look at the 'poll' options at the top of the page.

Was 9/11 an inside job?
Yes I believe the government planned it.
I am inconclusive.
I believe that the twin towers fell due to the planes.

It equates believing it was an inside job with 'the government did it' BS! I would never (and no one sensible in 9-11 Truth movement) say "the government did it' The government is made up of individuals. Ours is one of (mostly) righteous laws. Certainly people in positions of power must have abused those positions for these vents to take place as they did. For ex the changes made in the chain of command protocols for responding to hijackings made in the months before 9/11, the war games..etc show it must have gone up high. But the point is it was individuals.

But not 'the government did it.' offering that instead of 9-11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB or EXPLOSIVES WERE PRESENT is the kind of thing you see so often with regard to 9-11 Truth: misdirection, disinformation, strawman arguments and ignorance

You don't seem to realize what your doing. You should check the obvious things first, because that's where all the evidence resides and we continue to point that out: But you remain hung up on anomolies and then trying to make them fit as a story with no evidence to back it up. Everything you brought up for scrutiny has been gone over and over and over again through the years...There's nothing new in your "evidence"

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

hi,

the evidence is overwhelming that wtc 1,2 & 7 were blown up with preplanted explosives.

Yet if you look up 911 Truth online you will be faced with the likes of alex jones, judy woods jim fetzer. etc etc. These people are not real 911 Truth. Even IF jones does say some sensible thing occasionally it's regularly paired with pseudo-scientific crap and just plain nonsense.

My irony meter explodeth.

I hope the last ten years have been fun for you. Cuz the next ten are going to be almost exactly the same.