VisionFromFeeling Formerly Alenara

[Furcifer]

OK, no explanation of breatharianism from VFF, so I Googled it.

Wiki came up, and low and behold Jasmuheen.

Doppelganger? What the heck is going on here? What's with all the blonde woo from Scandinavia? Food From Air, Vision From Feeling...what's next?

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

You're equivocating. Why did you say it was embarrassing, even though you'd posted about it on the internet and spoken about it in public, and you continue to speak about it today?

I had shared those things privately, and not publicly, because they are private matters.

Admit it. It's woo, and unsupported by Science, and you don't really believe those things, but you like to talk about them because they make you feel special.

It certainly is woo, but I certainly do believe in those things, because what they are is my identity and my religion*, neither of which need to be proven by science. And I do not like talking about these private matters here in a public Forum. The meaning of being a Star Person is not to be special, it is just that it fits so well with my experiences, personality, feelings, and background. As for Breatharianism, it also has got nothing to do with feeling special relative to others. It is an entirely private and personal experience, just like prayer.

I haven't had many dealings with you, but it seems you are a liar to yourself, if not to others.

How interesting that you would be so wrong, since I am not lying to anyone. Just because I am not like you does not make me a liar. I am being very honest to myself by being a Star Person and by having interest in Breatharianism.

*But I am also a Lutheran Christian.

 

[Akhenaten]

I had shared those things privately, and not publicly, because they are private matters.

Shared privately? On the internet? Oh my.

It certainly is woo, but I certainly do believe in those things, because what they are is my identity and my religion*, neither of which need to be proven by science. And I do not like talking about these private matters here in a public Forum. The meaning of being a Star Person is not to be special, it is just that it fits so well with my experiences, personality, feelings, and background. As for Breatharianism, it also has got nothing to do with feeling special relative to others. It is an entirely private and personal experience, just like prayer.

I hope you aren't now going to try out the religious angle. You'll get shorter shrift for that than anything so far, I assure you.

How interesting that you would be so wrong, since I am not lying to anyone. Just because I am not like you does not make me a liar. I am being very honest to myself by being a Star Person and by having interest in Breatharianism.

You are not a star person. There is no such thing.

*But I am also a Lutheran Christian.

I thought you didn't want to talk about it.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

RSL is a who not a what.

So that's how you avoid the comment. So if I say you are trying to be who Lancaster is? Now how do you respond?

After our first private chat I publicly posted that I found you manipulative and flirtatious. I have simply been prudent.

Me manipulative? Here is an example of just how manipulative you can be. And all this just for you to try to find out what the date of my IIG demonstration would be, when the reason I couldn't tell you was that the IIG had asked me to not tell anyone.

As for flirtatious, you're the one who asked me for topless pictures. I said no. If I had been flirting with you, you would know about it. I would make it a bit more obvious than that, and you certainly would have those pictures.

I keep records of everything by saving the contents or publicly posting things like when you repeatedly harassed me by phone or continued to send me IMs after I told you not to contact me directly unless through an attorney. When anything happens that I think you could manipulate later, I let others know. That way if you make any attempt to twist things around (which you have done), I will have a record of what was actually said at the time. Thus, if there is any dispute, the tiebreaker is that if *I* was the one lying, then it must be that I set up the lie months in advance in order to use it to refute what *you* claim.

How sad. You're the one who can't stop talking about how fat I am while I am finally taking the IIG test that you said I would never take. And you're the one who tells me you're drinking and because your wife is leaving you because you had asked me for topless pictures, all a lie just to find out when my test is. I do not do things like that to you or to anyone. The only reason I ever called you was when I was upset about being called a racist all because I had said that my perceptions of black people are that they are healthier and because racism makes me very upset.

It's not a threat. It was solid advice. You publicly accused Bookitty of something that she did not do. I have evidence that it is not her. I'm simply doing you a favor. It's not like *I* could do anything to stop you from saying whatever you want.

What ever Jim Carr.

The Starseed84 person who posted the videos was fawning all over you (Google Starseed84 and look at the cached version). For some reason those videos have just been removed. Do you know anything about that?

Well as a matter of fact I know exactly what that is about. And I had nothing to do with it. You can ask him about that. You'll be surprised that it's not what you think.

First, you claimed that I "spied" on your account. Not true. Then you claimed that Bookitty clued me in. Again, that's not true. Why are you assuming that anybody told me about it in the first place? It could be any of your FB friends or friends of friends. You sought publicity, and now you have it. Such is the price of infamy. Or maybe I am just a diligent researcher.

I know it's through Facebook. I don't see how it could be anything else. And I did not seek publicity, I just wanted to discuss my paranormal claim of medical perception, not to have my whole private life trashed.

How is the manner in which I came to know public information you posted on the web relevant to anything we're discussing here?

Well, because you are going through great lengths in prying into my personal life.

You have a tenuous grasp on reality. The web is not private.

Well then you don't mind if I post some pictures I have of you that I have found on the web do you? I would consider them private if I were you.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

Well, YOU claim to be a skeptic and you selectively represent your data...

I do not selectively represent data. Sorry but you must be in your diagnose land where things seem the way you want them to be.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

If you have great knowledge of physics which we humans haven't discovered yet, why not send it to a peer reviewed physics journal and tell the world about it?
Of course you'll need convincing evidence but if you say this is "real" knowledge than you can surely come up with verifiable tests to prove it in the laboratory for example.
You can shut us up if you come up with even one peer reviewed article about this physics knowledge you speak of.

An undergraduate student should know to keep their best ideas to themselves until they have their Ph.D. I will begin my research work in a few years from now, and if they lead to any new and useful discoveries we'll just have to see about that.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

again, I have to ask, why do you people insist on giving this person the attention she obviously craves?

Sorry. I don't crave attention. I'm just defending myself when you lie about me, in case someone ever reads this.

 

[tsig]

OK, no explanation of breatharianism from VFF, so I Googled it.

Wiki came up, and low and behold Jasmuheen.

Doppelganger? What the heck is going on here? What's with all the blonde woo from Scandinavia? Food From Air, Vision From Feeling...what's next?

Quite a read. Her devoted disciple dies of starvation and it is her(the disciple's) fault because she lacked faith.

 

[Furcifer]

Well then you don't mind if I post some pictures I have of you that I have found on the web do you? I would consider them private if I were you.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

This shows that you are being mean and lashing out at anyone you can.

Oh really? After desertgal is mocking me for having had a heart condition? I was just defending myself.

Desertgal kindly posted about her experiences to try and help you. Since she has sense, she posted only what she was comfortable putting on the internet for anyone to have permanent access to. She didn't post her full name, location, college, major, pictures, videos, career aspirations, boyfriends, etc.

desertgal kindly mocked me for having had a heart condition. I then like to illustrate what that is like.

I think it is very mean, and also useless to try to attack her for this.

I think it is more mean to mock someone for having had a heart condition.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

No, you didn't.

I did.

 

[Furcifer]

Quite a read. Her devoted disciple dies of starvation and it is her(the disciple's) fault because she lacked faith.

Or when 60 minutes tested her and she made up excuses why it didn't work in the city. So many excuses. So many similarities.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

You mentioned sharing this with your Professors, and you said none of them agreed with you. If they thought there was any validity in your ideas, they would have rushed to test your hypotheses, then co-authored a paper with you, since what you say would overturn all of modern physics.

I have not said that none of them agreed with me. Besides I do not share most of my ideas. I will do my work on my own once I am at least a graduate student.

Some fellow UNC Charlotte students have written that no other students or graduate students there think your view of physics is correct. Surely, if one of them would work with you and confirm your views with a test, it would mean instant success in academia for both of you.

That is with respect to my paranormal investigation. Those fellow students do not even know about my physics research hypotheses. And I would certainly not involve any of them in my physics research. They can come up with their own research ideas.

Can you get one fellow undergrad, graduate student, college professor, or internet science blogger, or even someone from this forum to agree with your writings about physics, and post an affadavid here? No you can't. So don't say scientists agree with you.

That is because I am careful not to share my best ideas. You'll just have to see a few years from now if anything comes of my ideas.

Can you name one person with scientific knowledge who agrees with you? No.

Can I name one person with scientific knowledge with whom I have shared my ideas? No.

Profesional orchestra musicians think my thoughts on 16th century lute music is groundbreaking and amazing!!! So anyone who disagrees with me is a hater!

What? This does not apply to what I am doing. Physics is not based on thoughts, physics is based on research hypotheses that are researched and then either validated or dismissed, and once validated the supporting evidence is such that all scientists can agree to it and their personal opinions do not change its validity one way or another.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

I have been thinking about , and I wanted to apologize for talking about eating disorders with regard to VFF. I only meant if someone I knew, especially a high achieving young woman became a Breatharian, I would worry it was a cover for an eating disorder. It was wrong of me to write specifically about her with regard to this subject. Obviously these are serious dangerous psychological disorders, and I apologize if I offended anyone.

Why thank you. This must be the kindest and most respectful post in the past few thousand posts made here by everyone. I of course have no eating disorder, and I am not trying to lose weight.

 

[Sideroxylon]

Oh really? After desertgal is mocking me for having had a heart condition? I was just defending myself.

desertgal kindly mocked me for having had a heart condition. I then like to illustrate what that is like.

I think it is more mean to mock someone for having had a heart condition.

Now, mocking would be on the mark if she actually seemed to believe you had a heart condition but inexplicably she seems rather sceptical of your having such an illness. Perhaps it could be that your credibility account on this site is overdrawn.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

as someone who has had eating disorders close by I would first like to note that I see no reason to be offended by what you wrote - but someone who was affected themselves may feel differently, I don't know. More than one person that I love have fought eating disorders, but not myself so I can only speak from "co-dependent" viewpoint.

I know that the narrative of eating disorders often includes perfectionism, but as it has become more diagnosed the perfectionism angle has lost ground. The only "active" eating disordered person I have around me now is a man in his fourties - not an insecure attention starved young woman/girl.

Eating disorders seem to be a little more complicated than previously perceived, and a Swedish researcher into the illnes recently was quoted saying a bit dejectedly: (paraphrased) "Really, all we can say with certainty about anorexia today is that a person at some point stops eating, and then is unable to start again without feeling deep agony."

I have, however, come across people who "play" at anorexia for attention and this kind of person would typically not try to hide their eating habits like an anorexic would (like posting with their real name on pro-ana sites etc) and they always take the perfectionist narrative to heart. Basically, telling them that being perfectionist and starving yourself goes together feeds their ego. Typically - they will then use the fact that they starve themselves as signs of their perfectionism, and therefore do not have to excel in anything. They would also typically downplay the fact they were far from perfectionists and conveniently forget things like their inability to keep their room tidy or their gradepoint average up without omitting grades they didn't think counted for contrived reasons.

This is not signs of an eating disorder. At least not the eating part.

I do not have an eating disorder, if I did, I would humbly admit that on behalf of everyone who suffers from the condition. I am also not a perfectionist simply because I find my college courses very easy and have easy to make good grades. For instance as a little girl I learned to read in one day whereas the other kids struggled to learn it for months, and I always finished my workbooks ahead of everyone else and was about a year ahead in third grade. Not because I was a perfectionist or tried really hard, but because it came quick and easy for me. You do not need to insult me for being that way, it is almost as hurtful as someone who does struggle with courses and is called dumb. Just let everyone have their own level of academic capabilities and do not turn it into insults.

And I am definitely not a perfectionist when it comes to my body or my looks. As UncaYimmy repeatedly pointed out, I was a tad bit chubby during my IIG test and I was not even hurt by those comments. I don't think looks matter that much, and I don't think chubby is bad at all. I am one of the most kind and accepting persons I know of and I do not judge myself or others harshly.

But I think you are saying that I do not have an eating disorder. And it is true that I do not. Breatharianism is a spiritual experience, and I will not discuss it in detail so that I not encourage anyone to stop eating or drinking.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

Thanks, Ness. Anita's attempt at using this for a personal attack doesn't bother me, though, so no worries.

I just wish she'd explain how it relates to her squawking that stuff she posted on the Internet should be considered private.

(Boyfriends...hee hee. After 30+ years of marriage, if I had boyfriends, I would definitely be posting that on the Internet. I'd even grab passing strangers to let them know. )

It is not a personal attack. I say it to illustrate how silly it is of you to mock me for having had a heart condition. So I do the same with your diagnose, just so you can all see how ridiculous it is to mock someone for having a health condition. Since you are obviously appalled by what it looks like when someone mocks someone for having a health condition, take another look at what you did here http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5450634&postcount=48

I think the only thing I've shared about my boyfriend is that he is 42 years older than me, to explain why many years ago I said that I felt like I was 300 years old.

 

[GeeMack]

I do not selectively represent data.

You just flat out lie.

Oh, and since you spit on all those dozens of people to assemble your freak show at the IIG, don't you think you owe them all an apology? You do know it's a symptom of sociopathic personality disorder to treat people like crap the way you do and not have any guilt or remorse, don't you?

Have you talked with a mental health professional about... oh... wait. I read over at stopvisionfromfeeling.com that you have. And you chose to stop taking your medication. That might explain a lot of things, but it doesn't explain your inability to be honest and treat people with decency and respect.

And about that statement you promised that you've failed to support your paranormal medical BS claims so you're abandoning that nonsense, when can we expect that announcement?

Do you think just because you are ignorant, that other people don't see my continued requests for you to show a bit of honesty and integrity?

 

[desertgal]

It is not a personal attack. I say it to illustrate how silly it is of you to mock me for having had a heart condition. So I do the same with your diagnose, just so you can all see how ridiculous it is to mock someone for having a health condition. Since you are obviously appalled by what it looks like when someone mocks someone for having a health condition, take another look at what you did here http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5450634&postcount=48

I think the only thing I've shared about my boyfriend is that he is 42 years older than me, to explain why many years ago I said that I felt like I was 300 years old.

You never had a heart condition, I never said I was appalled, I don't care if you post repeated references to my public statement, and I couldn't care less about your boyfriend or what you may or may not have shared about him and didn't comment on it in the first place.

Aside from that, this has what to do with you squawking about how info you posted on the Internet is private?

 

[desertgal]

Oh really? After desertgal is mocking me for having had a heart condition?

No, I wasn't, since you never had a heart condition.

desertgal kindly mocked me

for having had a heart condition. I then like to illustrate what that is like.

No, I didn't, since you never had a heart condition.

I think it is more mean to mock someone for having had a heart condition.

But you never had a heart condition, so your point is moot.