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Madalch:
Phosphorus and Nitrogen.

Okay- I'll keep that in mind should you wish to try it again.

I think I'm restricted to phosphates for phosphorus, though- I no longer have access to triphenylphosphine and all sorts of funky phosphorus compounds that were involved in my thesis.

A follow-up question: are there any elements which you can't sense at all, or are significantly less obvious? If, say, chlorine has a distinct signature, then ammonium nitrate would be a better nitrogen-containing sample than ammonium chloride.

PS- don't capitalize the names of elements or compounds. They're not proper names.
 
It is like an ability that is hard to control, when it comes to chemical detection. When it comes to health information it is entirely different, which again is why I want to test my ability on detection of health information.

But the chemicals are so much easier to standardize.....
 
volatile:

Oops! I would never intend to skip a question! Thanks for catching that!

But you did intend that time to not answer it, right?

With the latest diversion into transmitting this stuff over TV, this claim has now entered the homeopathy-via-internet realm. (If I know anything about TV -- and I do know a reasonable amount -- if there was any information captured that is not needed for regular human vision and audio, it would be filtered out for transmission. Heck, TV filters out information that you can notice! TV signals are incredibly bandwidth limited.)
 
Pup:

Not really. The problem is that with chemical identification I do not always perceive the information.

volatile:

Oops! I would never intend to skip a question! Thanks for catching that!

That doesn't answwer the question, VFF. Why did you make a positive guess, instead of saying "I don't know", or "I am not receiving any reading". If you were receving information sufficient for a reading to be made, why was this reading incorrect, if indeed you do have the powers you claim?
 
Madalch:
We can try chemical identification again over webcam, however I need to try this in real life before I can conclude on whether I can or can not distinguish chemical elements. Furthermore chemical identification is not the main part of my claim, I am here to test my ability on medical information.

I do not think there are any elements that I can not detect, but there are plenty of ones that I have not learned to identify; I need to learn a label for what I am observing each element at a time.

I know that elements are not capitalized, it is just a habit of mine and I've done it consciously. And yes a chemical test is much easier, but I perform much better with a reliably high frequency of observations with medical information.

nathan:
nathan said:
But you did intend that time to not answer it, right?
Not at all. In fact if you read this entire thread I have always carefully ensured that I answer to all questions and comments.

My claim is not to receive information over television or from pictures, although I have experienced it a few times. I claim to detect information when I see a person, and that is what a test will involve.

logical muse:
logical muse said:
Sorry, but I cannot supply video. Is audio OK? Archives of my radio show are available online.
No audio is not ok since I have never detected information through audio and it is not part of my claim. A test involving audio, pictures, or video can not conclude no ability since I still might perform when I see persons in life. A test involving audio, pictures, or video might turn out successful, indicating that I do have an ability, yet I resist having a test that could only conclude a pass but may not conclude a failed test because it sounds like something that goes against the scientific method.

volatile:
volatile said:
That doesn't answwer the question, VFF. Why did you make a positive guess, instead of saying "I don't know", or "I am not receiving any reading". If you were receving information sufficient for a reading to be made, why was this reading incorrect, if indeed you do have the powers you claim?
Because I was finding out if I can perform on such a test, and found out that the answer is no. Chemical identification under the exact conditions that were with me and Madalch were never a specific part of my claim, or a specific past experience with the ability, and I was interested in finding out. Same for the cereal tests, they were designed to find out what I can and can not do, therefore I push the limits. Once an official test which outlines the specifics of my claim has failed, that is when I am liable and a conclusion can be made.

All of this is of course of interest since it may discover from test purposes easier methods of testing the ability, but so far I still insist on having the test on medical information and seeing the persons in life.
 
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Because I was finding out if I can perform on such a test, and found out that the answer is no.
This wasn't an answer to the question either.

Why did you make a positive guess, instead of saying 'I don't know', or 'I am not receiving any reading'?

You were apparently either deliberately guessing, or you actually thought you were detecting something. Which was it? And why?
 
nathan:
Not at all. In fact if you read this entire thread I have always carefully ensured that I answer to all questions and comments.

Except by your actions you are studiously avoiding answering volatile's question. There's a difference between saying you're doing something, and doing it. People who say they're doing something but are plainly not doing it, tend to have their word doubted.

You have responded to the question in the same posting, but you've not answered whether you perceived a difference, or whether you guessed.

My claim is not to receive information over television or from pictures, although I have experienced it a few times. I claim to detect information when I see a person, and that is what a test will involve.

In light of that, do you wish to withdraw or clarify what you claim here?
I have to see the person to receive information. I detect information about the health of celebrities when I see them on television, but I'd prefer to meet with a person. My radio show would have me meet with people and describe what I see on radio to the listeners. I would love to try this with you anyway. Is there any way you could send me a video of yourself? Do you have a webcam?

I've emboldened the bit where you claim you get information when you see people on the TV.
 
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Tristan Chi:
Tristan Chi said:
This wasn't an answer to the question either.

Why did you make a positive guess, instead of saying 'I don't know', or 'I am not receiving any reading'?

You were apparently either deliberately guessing, or you actually thought you were detecting something. Which was it? And why?
Because I was interested in finding out whether I could do this under those conditions or not, and now I know that I can not. Nor did I state that I was confident in my answer, which I do when I detect health information from persons in real life. I did not take it as seriously as I would an official test. On an official test I will have to state clearly whether I believe in the answers that I give, and so no excuses of any kind can be made after that, and its test results will be conclusive.

Hej i Sverige! Jag är ursprungligen från Sverige och flyttade till USA tre år sedan för att studera på högskola. Vad roligt att träffa någon från Sverige. Jag ska kanske till Sverige igen i Jul i år, och om du har möjlighet och intresse kan vi kanske träffas i Stockholm, alternativt kan vi träffas någonstans halvvägs mitt emellan.

Har du några särskilda intressen inom det paranormala? Jag är främst intresserad av allt som har med vibrationer (s.k. “energier” inom New Age) och strålning att göra, och studerar en fysikutbildning som specialiserar sig i just ljus och strålning.

Jag är här på JREF Forum för att diskutera att jag uppfattar bilder inifrån människokroppen och kan korrekt beskriva hälsotillstånd. Jag hittar definitivt inte på det här och är öppen för en naturlig, snarare än en övernaturlig, förklaring.


(Sorry guys and my apologies, although, Swedish might make more sense to you than the rest of it has.:)) Translation: Hello Sweden! I am originally from Sweden and moved to the United States three years ago to study at college. How nice to meet someone from Sweden. I might come to Sweden this year for Christmas, and if you are able to and interested perhaps we could meet in Stockholm, or meet somewhere halfway in between.

Do you have any particular interestes within the paranormal? I am mainly interested in all things dealing with vibrations (the so called "energies" of New Age) and radiation, and am studying a physics degree which specializes in light and radiation.

I am here at the JREF Forum to discuss that I perceive images from inside the human body and can correctly describe the health situation. I am definitely not making this up and am open to a natural, as opposed to supernatural, explanation.
 
I've joined the Winston-Salem skeptics group in North Carolina, and can't wait for our next meeting! Yes, I'm a psychic claimant, and I can't wait to enter a room full of skeptics! That's like throwing a piece of meat into a room full of starving pitbulls. Ha ha we'll find out. :D

It'll be fun. I'll give everyone a "psychic reading" and we'll see how accurate I am, and being skeptics their accounts of my accuracy should be even more reliable which I welcome. I will also suggest that everyone bring one or two friends who would volunteer, although perhaps we could set up a simple test first so that we don't run out of volunteers.
 
Hi Anita-Just to keep everyone up to date- Our next meeting of Forsyth Area Critical Thinkers is Thursday, December 18th at Wake Forest University in the physics building (time and room # TBD). I spoke with the host of our next meeting, Dr Eric Carlson, who has done testing for the MDC, and he has agreed to perform an informal test on Anita. He said he would have no problem obtaining the necessary chemicals to perform some of the basic tests that have been suggested in this thread. As far as live subjects, he is a bit trepidatious because of the reasons listed in this thread. Eric is currently putting together his final exam for his students and his arse will be in a sling if he doesn't have it completed soon. I am sure he will join the discussion as soon as he is able.
 
Tristan Chi:

Because I was interested in finding out whether I could do this under those conditions or not, and now I know that I can not.

Still not an answer.

Did you think you were receiving information, which subsequently turned out to be erroneous, or were you simply guessing?
 
Because I was interested in finding out whether I could do this under those conditions or not, and now I know that I can not.

But the point of my question was... wouldn't you know immediately on looking at the beakers that you couldn't see any "colors" under those circumstances?

Let's say John Doe claimed the very ordinary ability of telling normal colored paint swatches apart, yet John was actually red-green color blind.

So he successfully picks out the blue swatch amid the nine yellow swatches, and the brown amid the black, and so forth.

But when he's shown the red swatch amid the green swatches, and it all looks the same shade of gray, he wouldn't need to guess which was red and wait to see if he was right, to learn whether he had the ability to tell red from green. He'd immediately realize, "wait a minute, if there are supposed to be two different colors here, I can't see them--they all look the same. Maybe I can tell other colors apart, but I can't tell red from green."

Guessing which was the red paint and waiting to be told he was wrong would be unnecessary.
 
UncaYimmy:
I sense pain in various locations of the body involving an enlarged skeleton. The vertebrae of a region of the lower back but not sacrum (hipbone), neck vertebrae especially, and partially the region of the long bones of forearms and upperarms that are just adjacent to the elbows. Not in ribcage or leg bones, not in hand or fingerbones, not in the bones of the feet.

ETA: It is the vertebrae of the lower part of the neck and not the upper neck vertebrae. And it is the right elbow more so than the left elbow. The elbow problem concerns the bones though, and not the cartilage which is what the elbow in itself is made of.

1) I have a scar on my right eye which makes images appear as though they are coming through a broken piece of glass.

2) In some pictures I have a deviated septum and lots of swelling in my sinuses. Other pictures are post-surgery where this has been corrected.

3) I suffer from severe sleep apnea, which is unrelated to my nose and sinuses. It is due to some deformities in my jaw and the tissue around my throat.

4) All of my visible teeth are porcelain veneers - not real teeth.

5) I am missing a 1 1/2 molars.

6) I have been treated several times due to an issue in one of my neck vertebrae. The vertebra itself is not enlarged. The little hole where the nerves go through is narrowed causing inflammation of the nerves. I am currently a couple years out from my last round of steroid treatment, so it's irritating me a bit. This causes pain and tingling in the neck, right shoulder blade area, and right arm into my thumb.

7) I have tendinitis in my right arm above my elbow.

8) I have cartilage damage in my right wrist.

9) I dislocated my left shoulder some years back and suffer from some damaged cartilage in that joint.

10) I have had surgery for a varicocele (abnormal enlargement of the veins in the scrotum draining the testicles). The surgery leaves the veins in place - it just cuts off blood flow.

11) I have deep scar (required stitches under the skin) on my left thigh. I have no sense of touch or heat over a couple square inches.

12) I have a torn ligament in my right knee. In some of the pictures that knee is swollen.

13) Both of my ankle joints are misaligned, which causes the joints to separate slightly every night. I also fractured my right ankle, which contributes to the problem.

14) I broke my little toe many years ago.

As to what you did notice:

1) I have been treated by several doctors and physical therapists because of my neck vertebra problem (including two MRIs). Not one has ever mentioned anything about an enlarged skeleton.

2) I do not have any issues with the vertebrae in my lower back or in my hip bones. Because I have a gut these days and don't exercise properly, my lower back gets stiff. This is entirely a muscle issue.

3) My right elbow is just fine. The pain is under the bicep and wholly unrelated to the joint itself.

4) The left elbow functions perfectly.

5) Of course I have pain in various parts of my body. What 42 year old man doesn't?

What would you conclude about this reading?

If I see you on webcam I might be able to detect additional information as well and to double-check this perception. I am not fully confident in this perception.

I have to skip the web cam now. And since the relevant technology is virtually identical to a digital camera, there's really no need.

If it is correct it can not provide evidence toward an ability, and if I am incorrect it can not disprove an ability.

You claim to be a scientist, but you don't speak the language of science. If your reading was a success, it would be evidence supporting your claim. Since you have an extraordinary claim, you will need extraordinary evidence (and probably an extraordinary amount of it).

As for the latter half of your statement, one cannot really prove a negative like this. Nobody can prove you do not have the ability. It's not incumbent on anyone to even attempt to do so. It is up to you to demonstrate that the ability exists. The presumption must be that it does not exist until you prove otherwise.

This is an extremely important point. To quote from Wiki, "Though a lack of positive evidence can never disprove a hypothesis, a statistically large number of negative instances may make it highly improbable."

Thank you UncaYimmy for participating! Let's find out how I did!

Glad to help. BTW, most of what I have noted in terms of my health I have mentioned over the years in various forums and newsgroups. If you have any doubts about my veracity, I can try to supply a written record.
 
I spoke with the host of our next meeting, Dr Eric Carlson, who has done testing for the MDC, and he has agreed to perform an informal test on Anita. He said he would have no problem obtaining the necessary chemicals to perform some of the basic tests that have been suggested in this thread. As far as live subjects, he is a bit trepidatious because of the reasons listed in this thread.

VfF, it appears you may have jumped the gun a bit when claiming that you would attend the meeting and "give everyone a psychic reading." That doesn't enhance your credibility.
 
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volatile:
On the beaker test with Madalch I chose to give an answer I was not confident in. I have never had a specific experience as was outlined in the test, ie. to distinguish one chemical compound from another over webcam quality video. I am happy to have tried it and can conclude that I am unable to detect the difference in chemicals over webcam video.

Pup:
Pup said:
But the point of my question was... wouldn't you know immediately on looking at the beakers that you couldn't see any "colors" under those circumstances?
Yes I knew that I could not perceive a color difference. Yet I gave it a try to go by hunch just to see whether an ability might have materialized in another way than color, and I found out that the ability does not function under these conditions.
Pup said:
Guessing which was the red paint and waiting to be told he was wrong would be unnecessary.
True, yet I wanted to give it a try anyway as I do not yet fully understand under what conditions the ability may function. I am pleased to know however that I have defined yet another limitation to the ability and am closer to finding out what exactly it can and can not do. If the end result is that there is no extrasensory perception at all and under any conditions then I will accept it as readily as I have this. Yet chemical identification over webcam was never part of my claim.

UncaYimmy:
Thank you for volunteering, it was informative. It was harder for me to sense anything over a picture, although I was somewhat confident in the back, neck and right elbow problems, I also expected there to be other ailments that I was not detecting.
UncaYimmy said:
1) I have a scar on my right eye which makes images appear as though they are coming through a broken piece of glass.
This is among the things I would expect to be able to detect if I meet in person.
UncaYimmy said:
2) In some pictures I have a deviated septum and lots of swelling in my sinuses. Other pictures are post-surgery where this has been corrected.
Do not know if I would detect, would have loved to try.
UncaYimmy said:
3) I suffer from severe sleep apnea, which is unrelated to my nose and sinuses. It is due to some deformities in my jaw and the tissue around my throat.
Interesting and probably would have detected in person. Sorry you have that though.
UncaYimmy said:
4) All of my visible teeth are porcelain veneers - not real teeth.
Do not know if I would have detected, have never come across a person with this before who volunteered.
UncaYimmy said:
5) I am missing a 1 1/2 molars.
Often I detect missing molars.
UncaYimmy said:
6) I have been treated several times due to an issue in one of my neck vertebrae. The vertebra itself is not enlarged. The little hole where the nerves go through is narrowed causing inflammation of the nerves. I am currently a couple years out from my last round of steroid treatment, so it's irritating me a bit. This causes pain and tingling in the neck, right shoulder blade area, and right arm into my thumb.
Neck! Vertebrae! I knew it!
UncaYimmy said:
7) I have tendinitis in my right arm above my elbow.
Possibly but not necessarily what I detected. I detected an issue with the bones above and below the elbow cartilage, at least the region is correct.
UncaYimmy said:
8) I have cartilage damage in my right wrist.
Although it is not permissible to make claims afterwards, I did detect an issue with the right wrist but failed to mention it. This does not count but for my purposes I am interested.
UncaYimmy said:
9) I dislocated my left shoulder some years back and suffer from some damaged cartilage in that joint.
Might have detected if seen in person.
UncaYimmy said:
10) I have had surgery for a varicocele (abnormal enlargement of the veins in the scrotum draining the testicles). The surgery leaves the veins in place - it just cuts off blood flow.
Might have detected in person, do not know.
UncaYimmy said:
11) I have deep scar (required stitches under the skin) on my left thigh. I have no sense of touch or heat over a couple square inches.
Would have to see you in person to have a chance of detecting such a thing.
UncaYimmy said:
12) I have a torn ligament in my right knee. In some of the pictures that knee is swollen.
The first thing I detected was knee problems but I failed to mention this. It does not count but is interesting for my own record.
UncaYimmy said:
13) Both of my ankle joints are misaligned, which causes the joints to separate slightly every night. I also fractured my right ankle, which contributes to the problem.
Might have detected in person, do not know.
UncaYimmy said:
14) I broke my little toe many years ago.
Might have detected in person do not know.
UncaYimmy said:
As to what you did notice:
1) I have been treated by several doctors and physical therapists because of my neck vertebra problem (including two MRIs). Not one has ever mentioned anything about an enlarged skeleton.
Score.
UncaYimmy said:
2) I do not have any issues with the vertebrae in my lower back or in my hip bones. Because I have a gut these days and don't exercise properly, my lower back gets stiff. This is entirely a muscle issue.
As I said nothing wrong with hip bone. I was incorrect on the back vertebrae though.
UncaYimmy said:
3) My right elbow is just fine. The pain is under the bicep and wholly unrelated to the joint itself.
As I said the elbow joint is unaffected.
UncaYimmy said:
4) The left elbow functions perfectly.
In accordance with what I said.
UncaYimmy said:
5) Of course I have pain in various parts of my body. What 42 year old man doesn't?
I would not assume so, I meet plenty of 40-year olds in whom I sense no pain.
UncaYimmy said:
What would you conclude about this reading?
I conclude that I probably picked up on many of the correct areas of the body that are affected. And that I missed several ailments that might require me to see the person in life. And I am sorry about your ailments.
UncaYimmy said:
I have to skip the web cam now. And since the relevant technology is virtually identical to a digital camera, there's really no need.
Brilliant comment since I do not need to read the movement of a person, a picture should be equally useful as a webcam video - which means that both are equally useless!
UncaYimmy said:
You claim to be a scientist, but you don't speak the language of science. If your reading was a success, it would be evidence supporting your claim. Since you have an extraordinary claim, you will need extraordinary evidence (and probably an extraordinary amount of it).
On the contrary, I have a suspicion that if I were to pass a test that was hastily set up like this, a skeptical scientific look into it might find a flaw in procedure and disqualify the results. I choose to wait until a rigorous test has been set up, and if I pass such a test I will accept a passing result. Say for instance if I had read about your ailments and had prior knowledge. This test was not to scientific standard and I could not accept a passing score as evidence toward an ability. I have not changed where I stand on this. I believe that a test arranged not to scientific standard, that may include flaws, can not conclude a passing result, however if I were to fail such a test, even if it had flaws that might simplify things for me, it should indicate towards no ability.
UncaYimmy said:
As for the latter half of your statement, one cannot really prove a negative like this. Nobody can prove you do not have the ability. It's not incumbent on anyone to even attempt to do so. It is up to you to demonstrate that the ability exists. The presumption must be that it does not exist until you prove otherwise.
This is an extremely important point. To quote from Wiki, "Though a lack of positive evidence can never disprove a hypothesis, a statistically large number of negative instances may make it highly improbable."
Alright I will accept that.
UncaYimmy said:
Glad to help. BTW, most of what I have noted in terms of my health I have mentioned over the years in various forums and newsgroups. If you have any doubts about my veracity, I can try to supply a written record.
And thank you for participating. In conclusion I am satisfied with my results although they are far weaker than how I perform in real life. Our test did not give me reason to strongly doubt an ability, nor were the results positive enough to satisfy mine and probably the general requirements of what would constitute evidence toward an ability. I was happy to find out that pictures are harder than real life, and will proceed with a real life test.
 
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Tristan Chi:

Because I was interested in finding out whether I could do this under those conditions or not, and now I know that I can not.
This, again, was not an answer to the question. If that was your goal, then simply stating that you could detect no indication in that setting would have been the sensible thing to do. Instead you went ahead and tried it.

Let me rephrase: Did you think you detected something, or did you guess/pretend/lie?

The obvious follow-up question would be either:
1. What does your erroneous detection indicate?
or
2. What did you hope to accomplish by guessing/predending/lying?

As for a Swedish rendez-vous, I'd like to politely decline. If you are interested in meeting Swedish skeptics, you might want to try through VoF.
 
godofpie:
godofpie said:
Hi Anita-Just to keep everyone up to date- Our next meeting of Forsyth Area Critical Thinkers is Thursday, December 18th at Wake Forest University in the physics building (time and room # TBD). I spoke with the host of our next meeting, Dr Eric Carlson, who has done testing for the MDC, and he has agreed to perform an informal test on Anita. He said he would have no problem obtaining the necessary chemicals to perform some of the basic tests that have been suggested in this thread. As far as live subjects, he is a bit trepidatious because of the reasons listed in this thread. Eric is currently putting together his final exam for his students and his arse will be in a sling if he doesn't have it completed soon. I am sure he will join the discussion as soon as he is able.
Unless I am tied up in final exams myself, I will arrange so that I can attend. Alright, sure we can try the chemical identification test. I might fail it though, I have not determined the conditions under which it would function, and what ever the test conditions are, are probably not within my specific experience of chemical identification. I will need to investigate myself to determine what exactly my chemical identification claim is.

I would prefer a medical information test since that is the claim I have made and have wanted tested. I do not mind failing a chemical identification test since it is of less importance to me and would proceed with what my claim is; medical information.

desertgal:
desertgal said:
VfF, it appears you may have jumped the gun a bit when claiming that you would attend the meeting and "give everyone a psychic reading." That doesn't enhance your credibility.
I have every intention of attending a meeting and giving everyone a "psychic reading", for the opportunity to again assess the accuracy of the information. No it does not enhance my credibility of having an ability, but it should show that I am really doing all that I can to find out whether there is an ability or not. What would you propose I do right now towards testing my claim of medical diagnose? What more could I do?

Tristan Chi:
Tristan Chi said:
This, again, was not an answer to the question. If that was your goal, then simply stating that you could detect no indication in that setting would have been the sensible thing to do. Instead you went ahead and tried it.

Let me rephrase: Did you think you detected something, or did you guess/pretend/lie?

The obvious follow-up question would be either:
1. What does your erroneous detection indicate?
or
2. What did you hope to accomplish by guessing/predending/lying?
In the test with Madalch I did not detect a color, but I decided to try on hunch (guessing if you will) anyway, just to find out whether that would end up being successful, which then could have been indicated as successful through repeated trials. I have never made the claim of distinguishing chemicals over webcam and this was not a test of my claims but a test to further determine what the capabilities might be. I did not pretend, nor lie, so if the only other option is such then I guessed. However I did not tell Madalch that I was certain, either. It is when I am certain of what I see when it is of interest and can be used to either prove or disprove an ability. This was just a test.

1. My erroneous detection indicates that I am unable to distinguish chemicals from one another over webcam.
2. By guessing (since that is among your options that best fits with what I did) I hoped to accomplish to find out whether an ability was working on other information besides color, and found out that that was not the case.
 
desertgal:
I have every intention of attending a meeting and giving everyone a "psychic reading", for the opportunity to again assess the accuracy of the information. No it does not enhance my credibility of having an ability, but it should show that I am really doing all that I can to find out whether there is an ability or not.

Not to nitpick the issue to death, but that wasn't, actually, my point. You said you would be attending the meeting, and you "will give everyone a psychic reading", and suggesting that they all bring a friend or two, thus giving the impression that using live subjects had been arranged and confirmed with the society. Yet, it seems that the host has some trepidations about using live subjects, thus giving the impression that that has not been confirmed. Thus, it appears you jumped the gun. Thus, it does not enhance your credibility when it comes to manipulating information.

In any case, we are where we have been since you began posting over a month ago-awaiting some confirmation about your alleged ability, or lack thereof. I await any results you care to post with baited breath.
 
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dead yeti:
When/if I fail the double blind tests and it is shown that I have no ability, paranormal or normal, of correctly describing health information that is otherwise inaccessible to human perception... I will have acchieved the objective of the test and have an answer. The perceptions will continue, and I will have to live with them but without expressing them to the persons involved since it will have been proven to be nonsense! Things would change for sure, but I am certain I would cope with it well. Thank you for asking, good question.

Ricsuth:
I will apply to the JREF MDC only once I have met with the requirements on applicants, which include media presence and having passed an informal demonstration, and I am not at that stage yet but am working towards it. This thread discusses the work I am doing towards that goal. The goal is not to win a million dollars, the goal is to find out whether I have an ability or not.

Skeptic:
I am working on having tests to prove that I am not incorrect. The fact that I have not been incorrect "so far" can not be proven since it involves past experiences where evidence was not collected. But my past experiences have failed to dismiss the possibility of having an ability which is why I proceed toward tests. Of course vague nonsense would not count on Randi's test, and luckily I usually detect specific and detailed information that is not vague nor open for interpretation.

And, believe it or not, if I were a working psychic, I'd definitely pay taxes for it. I know, it's ridiculous but I kind of like the stuff that the government buys for us like safety and streets and I couldn't afford it myself.
Skeptic said:
No, the only reason people go to psychics is because they believe they're real. Since they aren't, they're either deluded, in which case they should be locked up for treatment for their own protection until they stop seeing visions and hearing voices, or else (most of them) they're conscious frauds, in which case they should be locked up for commiting a felony.
Yes, there are a lot of people willing to believe because they want to believe and they want to receive those things that are being promised by a psychic. Just because I have perceptions doesn't mean I want to prey on people. And my perceptions are harmless, they are simply images of human tissues and do not distract or interfere in any way. Like a lot of people I was uncomfortable with the image of "blood", "tissues" and "organs" at first but over the years I've come to truly appreciate it and look forward to studying Histology at college to see and to learn more.

Cuddy Joe:
Cuddy Joe said:
VFV... I win every game where I'm the one keeping score too. Do you play poker? Do you realize you're a lawsuit waiting to happen?
Ouch.
Cuddy Joe said:
b) Oh that. That's just something we have to put up for legal reasons, because of all the nonbelievers out there, you know, skeptics and their ilk. Ah, but you and I, we know better, right? Pay it no mind and let's get down to helping you with your problems and worries. You did bring your checkbook, correct?
I do not openly offer any services nor do I charge money for them, so I do not fall into this category. I am simply here, as a responsible person, to find out what the accuracy of my perceptions are and what their source is.
 
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