Vision From Feeling

[Madalch]

ETA: Does anyone want to try medical diagnose over webcam? Madalch are you available for that?

Not right now- I have to quickly finish some marking and go home.

But if you want to scan me for illness, or try the compounds-in-beakers trick again, let me know and we'll arrange something beforehand. Specifically, which elements are you best at detecting?

 

[Akhenaten]

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When I look at the air with my ability I see neon green nitrogen. I also see it in nitrogen gas tanks at the college chemistry department. I also detect the presence of nitrogen in molecules.

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You what ?!eleven? So you can switch this thing off and on? And you can see through metal gas tanks? (but not china cups, apparently)


Have you noticed that your ability is affected adversly by the presence of Kryptonite. How's Lex?

 

[Pup]

I just had a test with Madalch over Skype where he had one beaker with Ammonium chloride, and another with Sodium chloride, and asked me to tell them apart. I gave an answer, and I was incorrect.

I will still need to try this in real life, and if I still fail then I can conclude that my perception of color with atoms is not the case of extrasensory perception and must be due to something else such as synesthesia. I do not recall a single experience of perceiving atoms in color on television.

ETA: One professor of physics suggested that what I refer to as vibrational information may in fact be the use of thermal information, in which case a video would not transmit that information, so I can not conclude no ability just yet.

Did the two beakers appear to contain different "colored" atoms? If not, why did you randomly guess at an answer instead of saying they looked the same and you couldn't tell them apart?

If this "thermal information" isn't transmitted by video, wouldn't you know that immediately upon looking at a video, since the "colors" you're used to seeing wouldn't appear?

 

[Akhenaten]

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I have to see the person to receive information. I detect information about the health of celebrities when I see them on television, but I'd prefer to meet with a person.

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The two coloured statements are mutually exclusive.

What you see on television is nothing like seeing a real, live person. Even if your sooper power did work on real people, a TV "reading" would require that the TV cameras were also able to see inside bodies, and that the information could be transmitted electronically and then displayed on a receiver. Further, with the exception of live shows, you're also claiming here that your sooper power works across time as well as space.

Can you look up into the sky at night and "see" all the inhabited planets? Why not?

 

[Soapy Sam]

Because (s)he hadn't thought of that yet.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

I am available on Skype with the username VisionFromFeeling.

 

[godofpie]

I just found out you are from NC, visionfromfeeling. I have not read the last few pages, just the first few, and I have a question for you. We have a skeptics group in Winston Salem and one of our members, Eric Carlson, has tested people for the MDC before. Maybe you would be interested in running through a test here, locally, before you head to CA? Just a thought.
http://www.google.com/custom?q=eric...=forums.randi.org&sitesearch=forums.randi.org
This very long link will take you to threads that Dr Carlson has participated in.

 

[Questioninggeller]

I use no communication with the persons and my information is always very specific and detailed and not vague. I do not do cold reading and much of what I find has no symptoms that should be detectable by ordinary senses or skills. That's why I am curious to find out what this is. I do not claim to have an ability, all I say is that so far the medical information has always been correct.

From now on please post all of your comments to me in my thread http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128149&page=8

Sorry, but cold reading entails non-verbal communication as well. You could be doing it without knowing it. If someone is, for example, sitting in a wheelchair you will be given information about their health by looking at them. If they smell like cigarette smoke, another sign. Whereas, if they look over 50 years old you might mention a heart condition, common for those people, which they may not know about.

At that point, it's no better than looking at what's more likely given what we know about people with certain traits. Meaning, there is nothing paranormal about that.

I guess we'll have to see how specific you are.

 

[Uncayimmy]

I have to see the person to receive information. I detect information about the health of celebrities when I see them on television, but I'd prefer to meet with a person.

Anita, stop and think about what you're saying for just a moment. You are claiming the ability to detect electromagnetic vibrations. Yet you told us before that it works from photos, and now you're saying TV works as well.

None of the molecules from the body are available to you in these media. Therefore, you are in effect claiming that a camera can capture electromagnetic vibrations and retransmit them over TV or embed them in paper and ink.

And yet lids on the cereal containers were able to block the vibrations.

Doesn't the scientist in you think that's a little far-fetched?

ETA: Does anyone have a webcam and want to volunteer to let me try my ability on detecting medical information? We would then publish what I find, and only after I have done that will you let us know about the accuracy of my findings. Anyone?

I'll do it. If you can do it from photos and from TV, you should be able to do it from photographs on a web page. Can we try that first? If not, let's schedule a time this weekend to do it. Does the webcam need to be color?

ETA: Since often I detect information that is very personal, I suggest that I send my information to the volunteer first, who then has the option to omit any part of my information that they wish to not disclose to this Forum. Would that compromise the quality of this test? Comments?

I see no need to keep anything hidden. I'll gladly give up some privacy to advance science.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

Questioninggeller:

Sorry, but cold reading entails non-verbal communication as well. You could be doing it without knowing it. If someone is, for example, sitting in a wheelchair you will be given information about their health by looking at them. If they smell like cigarette smoke, another sign. Whereas, if they look over 50 years old you might mention a heart condition, common for those people, which they may not know about. At that point, it's no better than looking at what's more likely given what we know about people with certain traits. Meaning, there is nothing paranormal about that. I guess we'll have to see how specific you are.

I value this comment. I realize that there are plenty of external clues that a person could piece together to conclude on health information. I have asked the IIG (the organization who will test me on medical information in Hollywood soon) to find persons whose ailments could not be guessed, and I expect them to find a few who look like they'd have a certain ailment - but won't have it after all! To try to trick cold reading, and I welcome that.

However, when I think about it the information I give is not consistent with cold reading, at least cold reading can not account for the vast majority of my descriptions. After I've received the information with my ability the information often surprises me! When it contradicts with what I would assume of that person, or when the information is unlike anything I have ever come across before, or when it contradicts with what my prior knowledge was of such ailments, or when I then look at the person with my eyesight and with ordinary senses and can not confirm the condition or find any hints of its occurrence. Yet I am still always confident in the information, because I've "seen it"! I strongly believe that if I were doing cold reading, I would be using external symptoms as well as assumptions and prior knowledge, yet that is not the case.

And there is a high occurrence of information where I can not imagine what clues cold reading might have detected. Such as having reproductive cysts, or a vasectomy.

I also realize that my information does not follow in accordance with assumptions. For instance, I do not assume anything in particular about the health of a person simply because of their age, appearance or behavior. For instance I meet with plenty of elderly persons whose heart I see is in terrific shape, whereas just recently I met with a 40-year old guy who looks very healthy and fit, yet I detected the enlarged heart wall and would not have suspected it from appearance. (Enlarged heart wall was not confirmed one way or the other, but I give an example of how my information is not in accordance with what cold reading would lead to.)

The information I receive contradicts with what my assumptions would have been. I can use cold reading when I use my ordinary senses but that only leads to assumptions, and I am always more confident in what I "have seen" with the ability.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

UncaYimmy:

Anita, stop and think about what you're saying for just a moment. You are claiming the ability to detect electromagnetic vibrations. Yet you told us before that it works from photos, and now you're saying TV works as well.

None of the molecules from the body are available to you in these media. Therefore, you are in effect claiming that a camera can capture electromagnetic vibrations and retransmit them over TV or embed them in paper and ink.

And yet lids on the cereal containers were able to block the vibrations.

Doesn't the scientist in you think that's a little far-fetched?

I have had experiences of detecting information from photos, although not often. I do recall one incident where a mother showed me a picture of her daughter and asked me to describe her health problems. I did so without any prior knowledge and according to the mother I was fully correct. I do detect information about the health of people on television, although this occurs more often than with photos, and has also been confirmed as accurate many times. As with information from real life source I can not recall having been incorrect a single time, although there lie many perceptions from television and pictures that have not had the chance to be checked against accuracy.

I detect the far most information from people in real life that I meet, and that is why I fail to mention photos and videos of people and why I want my test to involve real life reading.

I do not know yet what exactly I am reading. Also the cereal test is different from medical information, I know this sounds ridiculous from a skeptic's point of view, but I have consistently emphasized that medical information is the easiest for me to detect, and also comes with the highest frequency of observations. Yes I am very suspicious about the ability. But since I perceive health information which so far has always been accurate when checked I am interested in finding out whether the ability will perform this well under a test setting, whether an ability can be confirmed, and as to the source and nature of these perceptions.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

godofpie:

I just found out you are from NC, visionfromfeeling. I have not read the last few pages, just the first few, and I have a question for you. We have a skeptics group in Winston Salem and one of our members, Eric Carlson, has tested people for the MDC before. Maybe you would be interested in running through a test here, locally, before you head to CA? Just a thought.
http://www.google.com/custom?q=eric+...rums.randi.org
This very long link will take you to threads that Dr Carlson has participated in.

Yes I'm in Charlotte, nice to meet you here. I am thrilled to find out about a local skeptics group and will make contact with them immediately! I would definitely be interested in having a test here locally and with Dr. Eric Carlson. I will begin reading up on his work right away. Thank you for suggesting this, and if possible I hope to meet you too!

ETA: This is exciting, maybe we will have some results of an official test here for discussion soon!
ETA: Dr. Carlson is a professor of Physics!!
ETA: He went to Harvard, and he teaches a course in Skepticism, Pseudoscience, and the Scientific Method which I would love to take, and he teaches Quantum Physics. He's incredible, can't wait to meet him! People like these are my heroes!
Find him at http://www.wfu.edu/~ecarlson/index.html

 

[Uncayimmy]

I do not know yet what exactly I am reading. Also the cereal test is different from medical information, I know this sounds ridiculous from a skeptic's point of view, but I have consistently emphasized that medical information is the easiest for me to detect, and also comes with the highest frequency of observations. Yes I am very suspicious about the ability. But since I perceive health information which so far has always been accurate when checked I am interested in finding out whether the ability will perform this well under a test setting, whether an ability can be confirmed, and as to the source and nature of these perceptions.

You didn't answer my question. Don't you think it's a bit far fetched to claim a "Vision From Feeling" when in fact there's no known way you could possibly be "feeling" anything from a person via a photo or television?

As for your claims of not knowing exactly what you're reading, your website claims you have an enhanced sense of feeling that is able to detect electromagnetic radiation and other vibration in great detail. I point this out because it goes to your credibility. If you don't know, then don't even attempt to explain it on a "How It Works" page. You can't have it both ways.

You are making an extraordinary claim in terms of an explanation for what is in fact something that is not terribly difficult to do: Look at a person and make educated guesses about their health. It is also common for people to not remember exactly how they learned a fact about a person but still be able to recall that fact at a later time, seemingly out of thin air.

You have no evidence whatsoever that electromagnetic vibrations are involved. Zero. Nada. At the same time you have evidence that it is not involved - your "sense" works over TV and through photos. I say bag the vibrational stuff for now.

You also failed to accept or decline my offer about testing via webcam. To save time, there are some pictures of me below. I have very specific health issues. What are they?

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

Letter sent to Dr. Carlson of the local skeptics group here in North Carolina

Here is a copy of the email I sent to Dr. Carlson who is an active member of the local skeptics group here in North Carolina, which I wish to share with you all:
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Dr. Carlson,

I'm very pleased to speak with you. I was introduced to you at the James Randi Educational Foundation Forum, where I participate in a discussion tread which you can find at http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128149&page=8. In this thread I discuss what are my perceptions of health information, which to me seem like a possible case of extrasensory perception. I perceive clear images in my mind of human organs, tissue, cells and chemicals, and can feel pain, discomfort, and other sensations that another person has. I describe health problems in great detail, in ways that are very specific and not vague, and I use no interaction with the persons that I am describing. Many of the things I describe can not be explained by the use of ordinary senses such as vision, or by use of skills in interpreting external symptoms. I am also very interested in this since so far when my information has been checked for accuracy, I have not been incorrect a single time.

I am very interested in finding out whether my ability can perform under a test setting, and to find out what exactly I am reading and how. I have contacted the Independent Investigations Group of Hollywood, www.iigwest.com where you can read about my progress under their monthly updates, to arrange for a test on my ability of detecting health information that is normally not available to ordinary senses, and we are still in the process of establishing the test protocol.

I was very pleased to find out that we have a local skeptics group here in North Carolina, and I would love to find out when our next meeting is so that I can attend. I contact you both as a paranormal claimant, but also as a skeptic of my own. I am a third year undergraduate student at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte, studying both a B.S. Chemistry and a B.S. Physics Optical Science, after which I plan to study an M.S. Optical Engineering and then a Ph.D. in Medical Physics. I am very interested in everything that deals with the interaction of vibration patterns, light and radiation on human tissue.

You can also read more about my ability on www.visionfromfeeling.com I am perhaps not your typical claimant, since I can not claim to have an extrasensory ability until it is proven so, and I am also open to the possibility that I perceive information by non-paranormal means, which would probably involve synesthesia, which is the automatic association made between information of different categories, such as linking information that is felt to corresponding information that is visual in nature. I have failed to dismiss the possibility of having an extrasensory ability, but there is only so much that I can do by myself. A test of this ability could probably rather easily be set up and I would be grateful if you and the other members of the skeptics group could arrange this for me. I suggest that I attend your next meeting so that we can all discuss what could be done.

I hope to hear from you soon, and also let me mention that I could have interesting conversations with you about topics including the paranormal but most specificly quantum physics and what I call vibrational information (such as the wave functions of quantum physics). By the way are you of Swedish origin?

Sincerely,
Anita Ikonen
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[VisionFromFeeling]

UncaYimmy:
I will not discuss the source of the information again until we have the results of a medical information test, but I will not change the information on my webpage.

Thank you for the pictures. Can I also see you on webcam?

 

[volatile]

Did the two beakers appear to contain different "colored" atoms? If not, why did you randomly guess at an answer instead of saying they looked the same and you couldn't tell them apart?

I noticed that VFF skipped over this one - which, I think, is the most important question in the thread so far!

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

Madalch:

Specifically, which elements are you best at detecting?

Phosphorus and Nitrogen.

Pup:

Did the two beakers appear to contain different "colored" atoms? If not, why did you randomly guess at an answer instead of saying they looked the same and you couldn't tell them apart?

If this "thermal information" isn't transmitted by video, wouldn't you know that immediately upon looking at a video, since the "colors" you're used to seeing wouldn't appear?

Not really. The problem is that with chemical identification I do not always perceive the information. With health information I always do, which is why I want to test the ability on medical information first. I do not mind trying chemical identification tests and finding out what my limits are, which is why I gave an answer that I was not fully confident in. On official tests however answers that I state must be ones that I am confident in, and so when/if I fail an official test there are no excuses to be made and I will have shown that there is no extrasensory ability. This was just a test to see what I am capable of. The ability that I want to test is detection of medical information.

Akhenaten:

What you see on television is nothing like seeing a real, live person. Even if your sooper power did work on real people, a TV "reading" would require that the TV cameras were also able to see inside bodies, and that the information could be transmitted electronically and then displayed on a receiver. Further, with the exception of live shows, you're also claiming here that your sooper power works across time as well as space.

Can you look up into the sky at night and "see" all the inhabited planets? Why not?

Well, I receive perceptions that are non-medical, and from photos or from video as well, but not as frequently as medical information. That is why I emphasize to have the test on medical information, since it has a reliably high frequency of perceptions. I would prefer to critique the medical information aspect of the ability rather than its other aspects which I have consistently described as being of less importance.

volatile:

I noticed that VFF skipped over this one - which, I think, is the most important question in the thread so far!

Oops! I would never intend to skip a question! Thanks for catching that!

 

[steenkh]

I also see it in nitrogen gas tanks at the college chemistry department. I also detect the presence of nitrogen in molecules.

You can see what is inside a gas tank? Amazing!

Why do you think that you had problems looking into cereal containers?

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

UncaYimmy:
Disclaimer: Normally I only describe health information when it comes to me on its own, and most always from seeing the person in real life. In this case, it involves a forced attempt of detecting health information, as well as being through pictures. If I am incorrect, I will accept that I have made a false observation, but I will continue with the same motivation toward having a test on medical information which involves persons in real life.

I sense pain in various locations of the body involving an enlarged skeleton. The vertebrae of a region of the lower back but not sacrum (hipbone), neck vertebrae especially, and partially the region of the long bones of forearms and upperarms that are just adjacent to the elbows. Not in ribcage or leg bones, not in hand or fingerbones, not in the bones of the feet.

If I see you on webcam I might be able to detect additional information as well and to double-check this perception. I am not fully confident in this perception. If it is correct it can not provide evidence toward an ability, and if I am incorrect it can not disprove an ability. An official test will be done with persons seen in real life.

ETA: It is the vertebrae of the lower part of the neck and not the upper neck vertebrae. And it is the right elbow more so than the left elbow. The elbow problem concerns the bones though, and not the cartilage which is what the elbow in itself is made of.

Thank you UncaYimmy for participating! Let's find out how I did!

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

steenkh:

You can see what is inside a gas tank? Amazing!

Why do you think that you had problems looking into cereal containers?

When I detect things in real life it comes on its own. When I am forced to detect things and repeatedly in a test it is harder to do. It is like an ability that is hard to control, when it comes to chemical detection. When it comes to health information it is entirely different, which again is why I want to test my ability on detection of health information.