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Unfortunately for you this doesn't describe the Israeli use of white phosphorous.
Moderated Views on George Galloway.
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Oh, and back to the topic. TinFoilTimothy, as has been pointed out Galloway supports an internationally recognized terrorist group, Hamas, which actually does target civilians and tortures to death political opponents. They also seize aid meant for civilians and appropriate it for their own uses.
Do you, like Galloway, support Hamas? If not, why would you support Galloway?
Do you, like Galloway, support Hamas? If not, why would you support Galloway?
Why yes he does WildCat.
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Galloway is a complete prick, even ignoring his past his radio show is awful. Really bad, he bangs on about free speech yet cuts off anyone who disagrees with him. Nearly as bad a John Gaunt.
That issue still seems to be up for debate with the *answer* hinging on the reason(s) Israel used WP in the first place. I've never seen anything from the Israelis defending it's use and given the political fallout, I'd expected something by now.
The Palestinian side accuses Israel of using it as part of it's campaign of genocide and the israelis answer with.....??
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So if you're going to attempt a genocide you think white phosphorous is an effective weapon?
And Israel used it like everyone else uses it - to create a smokescreen so that troops can move without being spotted by snipers.
As an anti-personnel weapon it is a piss-poor choice. Surely conventional HE artillery shells would have been far more effective?
The Palestinian side accuses Israel of everything when they're not helping Israel, so, take what they say in public statements with a grain of salt.
The PA encouraged the IDF at the outset to take on Hamas in Gaza and, in fact, provided crucial intelligence on key Hamas military targets. When the IDF decided to end the war, nobody was more disappointed than Abbas.
Let's stay on topic folks. If you would like to split this off to make a new thread, please notify us.
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I could have guessed you would be clueless on this as well.
So if you're going to attempt a genocide you think white phosphorous is an effective weapon?
And Israel used it like everyone else uses it - to create a smokescreen so that troops can move without being spotted by snipers.
As an anti-personnel weapon it is a piss-poor choice. Surely conventional HE artillery shells would have been far more effective?
I don't know, on the surface burning a whole bunch of people to death does seem like a particularly horrific way to go about committing a genocide but have no clue whether WP is the best weapon for the job. I'm thinking napalm might have been a *better*, read more effective, approach if that was the goal.
I do know, however, that if genocide was Israel's goal then they failed miserably at it.
As far as I can tell, WP was used as a smokescreen, but I was hoping for something from the IDF stating that this was their intended use of this weapon.
I've been trying to
take it as rhetoric, that is. Months ago, when I *confessed* to knowing nothing about the IvsP conflict ( I wandered into it when Cast Lead started ) I stated that I felt I was caught in the middle of a propaganda war. At this stage of the game, IMO the pro-Israel side is way ahead of the Palestinian side however there's a few loose ends hanging about, like the WP issue, that give me cause for question. Marc, I've spent a lot of time this past couple of weeks trying to "debunk" your posts/information, yesterday's being your claim about Hamas imposing oppressive restrictions on bathing. So far I've been unable to do so.
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Napalm as an anti-personell weapon? Really? You think it works better than high-explosive shells?
But this doesn't lead you to conclude genocide wasn't the goal?
You mean something like this?
3 seconds of googling...
Like I said I, don't know, on the surface a mass of sticky fire seems like a rather effective weapon to use against a bunch of people hiding inside concrete buildings. HE does sound pretty effective though, but if *I* was going to commit genocide, I'd probably go chemical.
Yes it does.
Yes, exactly, cheers.
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Those members of the Senate that Galloway demolished look clueless. They were obviously used to fabricating evidence against people that weren't quite so strong at fighting back.
I laughed my ass off watching him make them look like complete retards.
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Mods please split this Gaza/Israel stuff off from this thread. Thanks.
A really bad attempt at trying to link white phosphorous and genocide. NO ONE has said that white phosphorous was the principle means of the genocide in Gaza. Whatever the INTENDED use of the white phosphorous by Isdrael it was both illegal and immoral to use it in civilian areas. Israel obviously didn't care that the phosphorous would fall to the ground and land upon human beings. There was pictoral evidence of the ongoing burns on Palestinians by this evil stuff shown by the media at the time.
The Zionist Movement has of course continued to try and bring the debate on Cast Lead back into the zone of it's Fantasy World where nothing Israel does is wrong. It's even called the Balanced UN investigation which found both Hamas and Israel guilty of War crimes biased and Anti-Israel. the whole Zionist spin is a complete and utter joke.
The pedantry of legal technicalities of using such weapons can be debated ad infinitum but the morality of Isreal's genocide against the Gazans during Cast Lead is without question ..... vile.
So if you're going to attempt a genocide you think white phosphorous is an effective weapon?
And Israel used it like everyone else uses it - to create a smokescreen so that troops can move without being spotted by snipers.
As an anti-personnel weapon it is a piss-poor choice. Surely conventional HE artillery shells would have been far more effective?
A really bad attempt at trying to link white phosphorous and genocide. NO ONE has said that white phosphorous was the principle means of the genocide in Gaza. Whatever the INTENDED use of the white phosphorous by Isdrael it was both illegal and immoral to use it in civilian areas. Israel obviously didn't care that the phosphorous would fall to the ground and land upon human beings. There was pictoral evidence of the ongoing burns on Palestinians by this evil stuff shown by the media at the time.
The Zionist Movement has of course continued to try and bring the debate on Cast Lead back into the zone of it's Fantasy World where nothing Israel does is wrong. It's even called the Balanced UN investigation which found both Hamas and Israel guilty of War crimes biased and Anti-Israel. the whole Zionist spin is a complete and utter joke.
The pedantry of legal technicalities of using such weapons can be debated ad infinitum but the morality of Isreal's genocide against the Gazans during Cast Lead is without question ..... vile.
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Those members of the Senate that Galloway demolished look clueless. They were obviously used to fabricating evidence against people that weren't quite so strong at fighting back.
I laughed my ass off watching him make them look like complete retards.
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I think more people should watch the videos in the OP, and see his full testimony. Is utter class. The senate look like they dont know what hit them.
Yes, it can, but that's what makes it interesting.
No one anywhere has claimed that any specific weapon in particular was THE one intended to cause this supposed genocide. I'm questioning whether genocide has any relevance at all to this conflict or whether it's just hyperbole. A real genocide would have wiped out more than the approx 1% of the intended "targets"
We can cut to the chase and reduce it down to the most basic of questions...Do you think Israel has the right to exist as it was originally created for ? IE, a Jewish state ?
I think yes, it does given the time and the circumstances it was created under and given the relatively small parcel of land that was originally awarded, I feel it was the least "the world" could have done to ease the trauma of a people who experienced a "real" genocide.
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It used to be that you would need to kill a significant fraction of a target population for it to be considered genocide. Not any more. Genocides just aren't what they used to be. It's like some sort of weird moral inflation. Or deflation.
The hyperbolic characterization as genocide of a modest few hundred Gazan casualties incurred over the course of three weeks of war, out of a total population of 1.5 million, reflects an absence of understanding of the term genocide and a lack of knowledge of the Gaza war.
The war was incited by Hamas. The IDF went out of its way to alert Gazans of the impending military action, which is unthinkable in war.
Such ill-informed and wrongfully cavalier allegations of genocide also diminish the true acts of genocide, such as the ongoing genocide in Darfur and southern Sudan, where 4 million Sudanese have been slaughtered over the years, the biggest genocide since Nazi Germany.
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Post in this page that misrepresent Galloway: #282, #285
Irrelvant posts not about galloway: #281, #283, #284, #286, #287, #288, #289, #290, #291, #292, #293, #295 (actually pointed out this irrelivant stuff should split, props!) #297, #298, #299
Vaild posts about Galloway: #294, #296
Valid direct crisisisms about Galloway: NONE!
Keep it up peeps
Irrelvant posts not about galloway: #281, #283, #284, #286, #287, #288, #289, #290, #291, #292, #293, #295 (actually pointed out this irrelivant stuff should split, props!) #297, #298, #299
Vaild posts about Galloway: #294, #296
Valid direct crisisisms about Galloway: NONE!
Keep it up peeps