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Video Fakery in the 9/11 Attack

Anders Lindman said:
The example of the staged amateur video shows that they put a lot of effort into making it look like it really was an amateur video. No computer graphics except the plane.
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Yeah, like that sort of "would have made it except for those meddling kids'-class of 'truther' logic flies anywhere but a Scooby Doo cartoon. Amazing how everyone seems to be in on it except 'truthers'. :boggled:

Why's that, I wonder?
 
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In defense of Anders...I have been conversing with him for some time on the DI forums. I can conclusively say he is not a troll trying to get a rise out of JREF'ers. (unlike Bill Smith :) ) So stop with the troll accusations. He does believe in some far out stuff....but he is not totally married to his woo, like other truthers, and is at least willing to concede some points....a trait in truthers rarer than a lunch-time stripper that doesn't have stretch marks.

Many on this this board are suffering from "been there, done that" syndrome...and start attacking every truther on this board in the same way they attack long-term truther members like RedIbis and others.

I understand its fun to make fun of no-planers...but we should be above the juvenile comments...because the evidence is on OUR side.
 
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Anders Lindman said:
The example of the staged amateur video shows that they put a lot of effort into making it look like it really was an amateur video. No computer graphics except the plane.
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So what? A fake video does nothing to disprove any of the massive amount of evidence we have that shows that 19 Arabs hijacked and crashed 4 jets into 3 buildings and a corn field.
 
BigAl said:
So what? A fake video does nothing to disprove any of the massive amount of evidence we have that shows that 19 Arabs hijacked and crashed 4 jets into 3 buildings and a corn field.
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But if the video really turns out to be staged, the the other amateur videos are also staged. And compare that proof to the proof of hijackers.
 
Macgyver1968 said:
I understand its fun to make fun of no-planers...but we should be above the juvenile comments...because the evidence is on OUR side.
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Good points Macgyver. I gave up on Anders after he ignore my suggestion to put his theory together 3 or 4 times, but there is no reason to be mean.

My goal when arriving at JREF was to try and get all the truth people to give their personal theory, but I haven't had much luck.
 
Anders Lindman said:
But if the video really turns out to be staged, the the other amateur videos are also staged. And compare that proof to the proof of hijackers.
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After 9 years, this is where the video fakery supporters still remain; In the wishful thinking department.
 
Hey all,

Someone mentioned the Hardfire shows with Ace Baker and Steve Wright today, and I couldn't find the 2nd set of the debate on youtube - so I DL'd the whole thing and put it all in youtube format on my channel.

I put Anders on ignore because it just isn't worth engaging people like that, once they demonstrate that they won't address the evidence. What else can you do?

Here's a link to the playlist of Hardfire videos. Second set is uploading now.

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=1FAA418BE07A20BA

Direct link to first video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hI-Tm0s-7E
 
Macgyver1968 said:
In defense of Anders...I have been conversing with him for some time on the DI forums. I can conclusively say he is not a troll trying to get a rise out of JREF'ers. (unlike Bill Smith :) ) So stop with the troll accusations. He does believe in some far out stuff....but he is not totally married to his woo, like other truthers, and is at least willing to concede some points....a trait in truthers rarer than a lunch-time stripper that doesn't have stretch marks.

Many on this this board are suffering from "been there, done that" syndrome...and start attacking every truther on this board in the same way they attack long-term truther members like RedIbis and others.

I understand its fun to make fun of no-planers...but we should be above the juvenile comments...because the evidence is on OUR side.
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He acts like a troll, so I'll call him a troll, thank you very much. Anyway, being a troll is a step up from being an actual no-planer, so I'm actually throwing him a bone.
 
Macgyver1968 said:
In defense of Anders...I have been conversing with him for some time on the DI forums. I can conclusively say he is not a troll trying to get a rise out of JREF'ers. (unlike Bill Smith :) ) So stop with the troll accusations. He does believe in some far out stuff....but he is not totally married to his woo, like other truthers, and is at least willing to concede some points....a trait in truthers rarer than a lunch-time stripper that doesn't have stretch marks.

Many on this this board are suffering from "been there, done that" syndrome...and start attacking every truther on this board in the same way they attack long-term truther members like RedIbis and others.

I understand its fun to make fun of no-planers...but we should be above the juvenile comments...because the evidence is on OUR side.
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You're asking for tolerance of someone who has explicitly said they have not and will not do any research?
 
Anders Lindman said:
The example of the staged amateur video shows that they put a lot of effort into making it look like it really was an amateur video. No computer graphics except the plane.
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Could you please state your training and experience in the field of image and video analysis?
 
Macgyver1968 said:
In defense of Anders...I have been conversing with him for some time on the DI forums. I can conclusively say he is not a troll trying to get a rise out of JREF'ers. (unlike Bill Smith :) ) So stop with the troll accusations. He does believe in some far out stuff....but he is not totally married to his woo, like other truthers, and is at least willing to concede some points....a trait in truthers rarer than a lunch-time stripper that doesn't have stretch marks.

Many on this this board are suffering from "been there, done that" syndrome...and start attacking every truther on this board in the same way they attack long-term truther members like RedIbis and others.

I understand its fun to make fun of no-planers...but we should be above the juvenile comments...because the evidence is on OUR side.
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Perhaps, but if you take a look at the "Demolition" thread you'll see that his MO is to throw in a claim to underpin his argument (for example FoS>5) then admit, when questioned closely, that he doesn't do research and basically made the figure up.
 
Anders Lindman said:
Certainly. I'm glad you asked. The 911 attack was an inside job. Or outside job, if you want to use that term. Complete video fakery regarding 'live' video feeds and consequent video recordings. Don't believe the lie. Don't believe the hype. Expose you, we will. Yoda says.
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Do you really believe that? Then pray tell:

Thousands of people were direct eye witnesses on that day. Including an unknown number of tourists and other foreigners. How come not ONE has later come forward and said: "All those videos do not show what I saw!"?

Also please explain how somebody could have faked ALL tapes and photos taken on that day, including those recorded or taken by numerous private persons, some of which were only published much later? If you claim that is what happened, you need to provide a plausible explanation of how that could be done? How did 'they' get hold of all this material, fake it, and keep the people who had recorded it from telling somebody: "That is not what was on my tape!"?

Hans
 
alienentity said:
Hey all,

Someone mentioned the Hardfire shows with Ace Baker and Steve Wright today, and I couldn't find the 2nd set of the debate on youtube - so I DL'd the whole thing and put it all in youtube format on my channel.

I put Anders on ignore because it just isn't worth engaging people like that, once they demonstrate that they won't address the evidence. What else can you do?

Here's a link to the playlist of Hardfire videos. Second set is uploading now.

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=1FAA418BE07A20BA

Direct link to first video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hI-Tm0s-7E
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Ace does well to hold back the tears of laughter there, when expert Steve Wright says the fade to black was caused by the camera's agc.
 
Bardamu, maybe you will answer my questions as you seem to be a No Planer as well.

If the aircraft didn't crash into the towers what happened to them? What happened tothe passengers and crew?

Where are the aircraft now? They existed before the crashes. If they didn't then the manufacturers, parts contract companies, service companies, airlines, all the airports that they flew out of and all the pilots that have flown them since they were new must be in on it.
There is a trail of documentation for these aircraft going right back to their manufacture.

These things are tightly regulated.

Where are they now?
Where are the people that flew on them that day?

If they don't exist how come parts of the aircraft and remains of the passengers and crew were recovered from the sites?

Are all the people claiming to be family, friends and work colleagues of the passengers and crew in on it as well?
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