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Video Fakery in the 9/11 Attack

Your questions are irrelevant spam.

Why do you think so?
I think they are very important questions that need answering if yo want to be a No Planer.

If the aircraft didn't hit the towers then they must have gone somewhere else.
When they got there what happened to them and the people aboard?

How did parts from the Aircraft and body parts and DNA get to the crash sites?
 
It's pretty eye-opening to witness the massively-faulty beliefs and resistance to learn displayed by no-planers, isn't it?

One would hope that, given enough information a person would eventually perceive things correctly, but that just isn't the case. But then this trait runs right thru persistent truthers - who seemingly cannot bear to let go of even the most trivial element of the 'Truther Canon' - and then there are many who, like typical Christians, pick and choose ad hoc from the Canon.

Is a 'no planer' really more intellectually corrupt than a Republican who still believes that his party is fiscally responsible, or a Democrat who believes America has a special relationship with God? I leave you to decide that for yourselves.

With the rise in influence of radical media personalities like Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck, I think now more than ever we need to fight the misperceptions we see around us and actively share the best knowledge we have.
That includes these forums, IMO, and providing rebuttals to no planers, as tedious as it is.

Suppose a normal person saw the incident of no-plane in that early 9/11 movie '' why the Towers fell '' ? He might well be intrigued but would probably dismiss it.

...and then he sees this video...

http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/music/watch/v224537xJtJApPr# 1:10 to 1:30

...and listens carefully to the commentators at the 1:10 to 1:30 mark. Might he not be beginning to think in the direction iof a no-planes conspiracy ? And then he finds out that there is an already well developed theory on exactly that subject...

Do you still say that tthat guy is just crazy ?
 
Suppose a normal person saw the incident of no-plane in that early 9/11 movie '' why the Towers fell '' ? He might well be intrigued but would probably dismiss it.

...and then he sees this video...

http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/music/watch/v224537xJtJApPr# 1:10 to 1:30

...and listens carefully to the commentators at the 1:10 to 1:30 mark. Might he not be beginning to think in the direction iof a no-planes conspiracy ? And then he finds out that there is an already well developed theory on exactly that subject...

Do you still say that tthat guy is just crazy ?

BS, I don't normally bother to spend any time contemplating what you write, but I would like to point out to you that, when you paraphrase me 'do you still say that guy is just crazy?', you are not only directly putting words in my mouth, but also creating a strawman.
Where did I say that you have to be crazy to be hold faulty ideas? I didn't. You did.

What I said was that no planers displayed 'massively-faulty beliefs and resistance to learn'.
Bill, if your argument is that, because a live reporter first mistakenly identified the second jet as a 'police helicopter', then made a correction a few seconds later, that she is somehow conspiring to trick her viewers, your argument is based on faulty logic. (just in case you're not following - since it was indeed a plane, not a helicopter, her self-correction was appropriate and timely. If she were actually part of a giant psy-ops exercise, she'd simply have read from the script and called it a plane right away. Why introduce an element of doubt when there was no need to? I suppose in your garbled mindset she mistakenly said 'helicopter' instead of reading from the script - but then you'd have to admit that she made a mistake either way - so you're no further ahead than before)
If you then posit that no amount of subsequent eyewitness testimony about the second plane, no amount of forensic evidence, can alter your belief in no-planes, then you are indeed highly resistant to learning.

So you have perfectly illustrated the cognitive problems shared by no-planers. For that I thank you.:D
 
BS, I don't normally bother to spend any time contemplating what you write, but I would like to point out to you that, when you paraphrase me 'do you still say that guy is just crazy?', you are not only directly putting words in my mouth, but also creating a strawman.
Where did I say that you have to be crazy to be hold faulty ideas? I didn't. You did.

What I said was that no planers displayed 'massively-faulty beliefs and resistance to learn'.
Bill, if your argument is that, because a live reporter first mistakenly identified the second jet as a 'police helicopter', then made a correction a few seconds later, that she is somehow conspiring to trick her viewers, your argument is based on faulty logic. (just in case you're not following - since it was indeed a plane, not a helicopter, her self-correction was appropriate and timely. If she were actually part of a giant psy-ops exercise, she'd simply have read from the script and called it a plane right away. Why introduce an element of doubt when there was no need to? I suppose in your garbled mindset she mistakenly said 'helicopter' instead of reading from the script - but then you'd have to admit that she made a mistake either way - so you're no further ahead than before)
If you then posit that no amount of subsequent eyewitness testimony about the second plane, no amount of forensic evidence, can alter your belief in no-planes, then you are indeed highly resistant to learning.

So you have perfectly illustrated the cognitive problems shared by no-planers. For that I thank you.:D

No my point was that this person had seen two seperate instances that might indicate no-planes, And then finds that he is not alone in his observations by any means.

You may waffle on about the mistake the lady made but it's the IMPRESSION that the viewer gets that's the important thing. And I submit that those two sounded like they were not seeing something that they had fully expected to see and were making a mess of covering. Unmistakably.

This normal person I am talking about has at this point most of the evidence that he needs to become a no-planer. None of your 'massively-faulty beliefs and resistance to learn'.
 
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...and then he finds out that there is an already well developed theory on exactly that subject...

What 'well developed theory'? Where have we seen posted anywhere even a simple coherent theory by a No Planer?
 
This normal person I am talking about has at this point most of the evidence that he needs to become a no-planer. None of your 'massively-faulty beliefs and resistance to learn'.

And none of the eyewitnesses to the WTC collapse have become no-planers.
 
And your reasoning g for that alleged anomole (withthe naudet footage), is that it is nepharious rather then a glitch in the original footage, or possible avideo compression issue of the low rez version you and others have seen on youtube, right?

TAM:)

No, I was watching the DVD about the firefighters they made for commercial sale.

How are those contributions to the Science and Nature branch coming along?
 
Bill, I have no illusions of attempting a serious, intelligent discussion with you. No offense, but you're a waste of time.

peace

AE
 
No my point was that this person had seen two seperate instances that might indicate no-planes, And then finds that he is not alone in his observations by any means.

You may waffle on about the mistake the lady made but it's the IMPRESSION that the viewer gets that's the important thing. And I submit that those two sounded like they were not seeing something that they had fully expected to see and were making a mess of covering. Unmistakably.

This normal person I am talking about has at this point most of the evidence that he needs to become a no-planer. None of your 'massively-faulty beliefs and resistance to learn'.

Speculation and irrelevancy.
 
No, I was watching the DVD about the firefighters they made for commercial sale.

How are those contributions to the Science and Nature branch coming along?

Haven't seen any topics I would like to post to there lately. Besides, the gits and shiggles, you, bs, java, and ergo are producing over here are more then enough to keep me here laughing.

How are those contributions to paranoia and insanity going?

TAM:D
 
Haven't seen any topics I would like to post to there lately. Besides, the gits and shiggles, you, bs, java, and ergo are producing over here are more then enough to keep me here laughing.

How are those contributions to paranoia and insanity going?

TAM:D

i seem to be getting some highly satisfying reactions.

This is supposedly a boeing 747 engine found on Murray Street, what intersection I am not sure.
http://wtcdebris.0catch.com/_webimages/_wtcm_em.JPG

What do you think?

It was on the Naudet video with a very happy looking policeman standing over it saying "Be careful - that's evidence"

But evidence of what?
 
i seem to be getting some highly satisfying reactions.

This is supposedly a boeing 747 engine found on Murray Street, what intersection I am not sure.
http://wtcdebris.0catch.com/_webimages/_wtcm_em.JPG

What do you think?

It was on the Naudet video with a very happy looking policeman standing over it saying "Be careful - that's evidence"

But evidence of what?

It's not a Boeing 747 engine. I don't need your link to be working to tell you that.
 
i seem to be getting some highly satisfying reactions.

This is supposedly a boeing 747 engine found on Murray Street, what intersection I am not sure.
http://wtcdebris.0catch.com/_webimages/_wtcm_em.JPG

What do you think?

It was on the Naudet video with a very happy looking policeman standing over it saying "Be careful - that's evidence"

But evidence of what?

Check this out. 2 photos from the collection of a guy who took them. Apparently all this crap was on top of the Federal Building in the aftermath of the collapses and plane hits..
ps, they've been identified as aircraft parts. Apparently there ARE some serial numbers...

Flight_175_debris_Briendel_4.jpg


Flight_175_debris_Briendel_2.jpg
 
The example of the staged amateur video shows that they put a lot of effort into making it look like it really was an amateur video. No computer graphics except the plane.

It must have been staged because it looked like an amateur video?
 
This is supposedly a boeing 747 engine found on Murray Street, what intersection I am not sure.
http://wtcdebris.0catch.com/_webimages/_wtcm_em.JPG

What do you think?

Let's stick to 'Boeing', as numbers are obviously not your strong side. I think it looks exactly like the wreckage of the core of a large turbofan engine. (Your link doesn't function, but I've seen the picture before.)

It was on the Naudet video with a very happy looking policeman standing over it saying "Be careful - that's evidence"

But evidence of what?

Evidence of a planecrash? ..... Or have you another suggestion of how it ended up there?

Hans
 
Not because it's an amateur video, but because of the obvious time markers in it.

Ok, there is at least one other possibility, that the video video was done with time markers EVEN if it was a real plane. Far-fetched, but not impossible. It could then be some kind of conspiracy theory bait, to mislead people.
 
time markers? you mean that default time and date that people forget to turn off when they are videoing something?
 

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