Video Fakery in the 9/11 Attack

[jammonius]

No, I actually wanted some feedback on these things. I myself thought of the no plane theories as tinfoil hat stuff, but when I looked at it more closely it's quite possible imo. Possible, but is it probable? And if it's probable are there any hard facts to support it?

Greetings Anders Lindman,

No planes, by which is meant, no Boeing 767/757s were involved in 9/11. There are several threads, some closed, some only to be found in AAH and some still open that deal with NO PLANES in detail.

I am a no planer with some experience in demonstrating the proof of the claim.

At present, I would like to suggest you read Lynn Spencer's book "Touching History". Though not intended as proof of the 'no plane' claim, the book succeeds in showing that the claim jetliners were involved on 9/11 is utterly false, absurd and obviously false. The book is written on a 6th grade level and you'd have to be in the 5th grade or below to come away from reading that book without recognizing no planes were involved on 9/11.

And that is only one source. If you search the name "Dick Oliver" in this forum, you will find a wealth of information for starters. If you look at the recently closed, 3800+ post thread on "ALL 43 videos" you will also find a wealth of no plane proof.

See: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175654

The thread you started today has already generated a goodly number of posts. Thus, it is clear that 'no plane' discussion seems to get the attention of the true believers in the common storyline of 9/11 in no uncertain terms.

Let me know if you have any questions about sources of proof of the NO PLANE claim. Basically, they are abundant, determinative and compelling.

all the best

 

[T.A.M.]

yes please Anders, let jammonius take you under his wing...the results will be priceless.

TAM

 

[jhunter1163]

If there were no planes, what killed all of Stanley Praimnath's co-workers?

 

[Anders Lindman]

why would you add concrete to the core?

TAM

This video shows the core as being empty of concrete: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY7BCXew0UI Yet this page says the core had concrete: http://algoxy.com/conc/core.html

 

[T.A.M.]

This video shows the core as being empty of concrete: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY7BCXew0UI Yet this page says the core had concrete: http://algoxy.com/conc/core.html

Are you christophera? Seriously, that is one of the lamest old, 2006 retarded truther canards...there is a thread on this site, a LONG one, where despite being shown NUMEROUS times that he was wrong, Christophera remains faithful to the BS.

Do you read anything besides old truther BS? seriously?

TAM

 

[9/11-investigator]

Thunder,

You are taking undo advantage of the OP by posting up false, doctored, unconfirmed imagery. Even by looking at the image you posted, one cannot ascertain what it is, where it is, why it is there and so on.

Do better

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_6eonppuEM...nDT2byQGX0Q/s640/burlington+coast+factotu.bmp

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_6eonppuEM...sdgNIHBc/s640/burlington+coat+factory+ert.bmp

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_6eonppuEM...JdA8HdQqW28/s640/burlington+coast+factory.bmp

http://sites.google.com/site/911stories/johnschroederofengine10:a911chronology–r (scroll to bottom)

 

[Carlos]

You are a no-planer. By this, you have demonstrated the inability to judge evidence and logic.[2]

 

[alienentity]

Anders, if you don't want to be a tin foil hatter, you need to acknowledge images like these, which show an aircraft wheel assembly embedded in a section of steel perimeter column.
You would also have to show us how else such an aircraft part could become embedded in a piece of WTC tower structure if not from impact with that section of tower moments before....
You will never be able to do that, of course. But the choice is yours whether you prefer to join the TFH crowd and their obsession with failed ideas.

 

[beachnut]

...
I am a no planer with some experience in demonstrating the proof of the claim.
...

With the lead off delusion that jet engine parts are Plymouth Wheel-covers. That is about as far as you get when the judge has to commit you.

 

[bill smith]

This video shows the core as being empty of concrete: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY7BCXew0UI Yet this page says the core had concrete: http://algoxy.com/conc/core.html

I don't know anything about q concrete core but here's a link to somebody who does believe it.

http://www.freedomcrowsnest.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=82947

 

[Anders Lindman]

Greetings Anders Lindman,

No planes, by which is meant, no Boeing 767/757s were involved in 9/11. There are several threads, some closed, some only to be found in AAH and some still open that deal with NO PLANES in detail.

I am a no planer with some experience in demonstrating the proof of the claim.

At present, I would like to suggest you read Lynn Spencer's book "Touching History". Though not intended as proof of the 'no plane' claim, the book succeeds in showing that the claim jetliners were involved on 9/11 is utterly false, absurd and obviously false. The book is written on a 6th grade level and you'd have to be in the 5th grade or below to come away from reading that book without recognizing no planes were involved on 9/11.

And that is only one source. If you search the name "Dick Oliver" in this forum, you will find a wealth of information for starters. If you look at the recently closed, 3800+ post thread on "ALL 43 videos" you will also find a wealth of no plane proof.

See: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175654

The thread you started today has already generated a goodly number of posts. Thus, it is clear that 'no plane' discussion seems to get the attention of the true believers in the common storyline of 9/11 in no uncertain terms.

Let me know if you have any questions about sources of proof of the NO PLANE claim. Basically, they are abundant, determinative and compelling.

all the best

Hi jammonius,

I'm not much of a conspiracy theory researcher. In fact, I only look at interesting possibilities quite randomly. Do you want to discuss peak oil? Just kidding. But the point is that the theories about no planes is not something I have much knowledge about so I will not be able to defend this thread that well, so if you want to bring in some knowledge about the topic then that sounds like a good idea.

 

[T.A.M.]

Is this what the truth movement has left? The only ones silly, insane, and foolish enough to come here and argue with us are a crowd of no-planers.

Some times I long for 2006, at least the arguments and debates were entertaining...and occasionally educational.

TAM

 

[beachnut]

... (scroll to bottom)

And? lol, you post proof of aircraft impacting the WTC and make zero comment. No point yet on 911?

The no plane claptrap is for idiots; don't you think?

 

[leftysergeant]

I don't know anything about q concrete core but here's a link to somebody who does believe it.

http://www.freedomcrowsnest.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=82947

So?

The only concrete above the lobby level was in horizontal element like floors. Got a point.

 

[Anders Lindman]

I don't know anything about q concrete core but here's a link to somebody who does believe it.

http://www.freedomcrowsnest.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=82947

But that page says that there were no core columns at all. That I strongly doubt. In this case the official report is correct I think. Concrete or not, the 47 core columns can clearly be seen in this picture:

 

[fitzgibbon]

Have a look at this though....And am I imagining things or does the camera go to into steady-shot mode a few seconds before the plane arrives at 46 seconds ?

Yes, you're imagining things, bs. Does he hold a steady shot at that particular time? Yes. But anybody with a half an eye would recognise that the shot's handheld and that the cameraman winced at the sound or sight (or both) of the plane. By comparison to some of the previous shots, it's steady but the camera didn't "go into steady-shot mode" (whatever the #@$% that's supposed to mean in the English language).

 

[fitzgibbon]

To your credit you aren't as far off the deep-end as Jammonius is.

Talk about damning with faint praise.

 

[fitzgibbon]

yes please Anders, let jammonius take you under his wing...the results will be priceless.

TAM

Positively Stundilicious!!©

 

[9/11-investigator]

And? lol, you post proof of aircraft impacting the WTC and make zero comment. No point yet on 911?

The no plane claptrap is for idiots; don't you think?

If you had paid attention than you would have noticed I am a no-no-planer. Or planer for short.

 

[jhunter1163]

If there were no planes, what killed all of Stanley Praimnath's co-workers?

Any of our Truthers want to take a shot at this?