US Officials Declare Eastern Cougar Extinct

The Shrike said:
Oh yeah sure, those other people might not be too bright, but me I'm impervious to the sort of misperceptions that can afflict, you know, all other humans.

There's no bigfoot, but there's no BLAARGing. People really do believe the stuff they claim, they're just wrong about it.

I'm not wrong about mine though. I know what I saw.

I'm outdoorsy, 'cause I go fishing and I'm a smoker. I don't bother myself to know details of things like the range of mountain lions or what fishers are, but I know my wild critters for sure. I used to show cats, after all. So unlike all those other people to really do believe that they've seen something fantastic even though they're wrong about it, I saw something fantastic but I can't be wrong about it because I didn't know it was fantastic and I, you know, know what I saw.
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I think I have said this before, but the phenomenon is intriguing. On this topic, I think Jodie is sincere much in the same vein that Dean Radin is sincere in his beliefs. And like Radin, Jodie thinks that the mere act of acknowledging the existence of what amounts to confirmation bias in others makes her impervious to it. It is a supreme form of conceit.

Jodie said:
Boy, you sure are sore about those posts I dug up in the BLAARG'ing thread aren't you?
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This, on the other hand, is not sincere. It is flat out misrepresentation of the record and puts Jodie back in the gaming camp.

It really is a shame as Jodie is obviously fairly intelligent, fairly well read, and in possession of a decent moral compass in some areas.
 
Jodie said:
Of course The Shrike didn't like the posts I dug up. I wouldn't have bothered but he took a flip comment I made and kept on asking me to find them. Then criticized me for looking, subsequently got bent out shape when I did find a couple, and said they were taken out of context. What I don't understand is why I'm the one accused of gaming when I wasn't the author of the posts, talk about twisted logic and bias. I like The Shrike just as much as anyone else here but he's prone to overstating his case when it comes to accommodating footers. I'm not wrong in noticing that he's still sore about the whole thing, but he had plenty of opportunity to drop the matter, it was his choice to press the issue. My moral compass is just fine in all areas, thank you very much.

I'm just as vulnerable as the next person to misidentifying something. Not in this case, this was in daylight, up close, and I had other people with me that saw the same thing, I didn't mistake anything else for a cougar.
As an aside I ran across this unconfirmed sighting In Augusta, Ga. back in September. That's not far from Edisto as the crow flies.

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Somehwat significant disconnect...
 
Huh...guess things have slowed down at South Carolina DNR

Sent this Sat am


Got a response first thing his morning
 
Cervelo said:
Absolutely! ;)
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Personally, I don't doubt what you told me because I believe that we go on after death in some way. You won't get any criticism from me on this point. Do you recall telling me about your NDE?
 
Jodie said:
Personally, I don't doubt what you told me because I believe that we go on after death in some way. You won't get any criticism from me on this point. Do you recall telling me about your NDE?
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Sure I do...but what's that got to do with cougars?
 
Cervelo said:
Prove you have done any such thing ;)
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Prior to the storm, I went to the web site, looked for the Low Country contact info, and submitted my request to the appropriate office. I also left a message by phone. I'ld be surprised if you got quick results from that office unless they've gotten extremely efficient in the last couple of years since we reorganized. I guess we'll find out.
 
Jodie said:
Prior to the storm, I went to the web site, looked for the Low Country contact info, and submitted my request to the appropriate office. I also left a message by phone. I'ld be surprised if you got quick results from that office unless they've gotten extremely efficient in the last couple of years since we reorganized. I guess we'll find out.
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I guess..all you got is a lame story and some lame follow up neither of which you can back up...but we've come to expect that from you ;)
 
Humm, these are the facts that back up my story:

1.Cougars can travel long distances.
2. A cougar was shot outside of Atlanta which is approximately 180 miles from where I claim to have had my cougar sighting.
3. A cougar sighting was recently verified in Tennessee, which borders South Carolina.
4. The circumstances for my sighting included daylight, close proximity, and multiple witnesses.

All you have is a distrust in my story, and SC DNR's claim that a breeding population of cougars doesn't exist in South Carolina. It appears by your standards of logic that the confirmation bias lies with you.
 
Jodie said:
Humm, these are the facts that back up my story:

1.Cougars can travel long distances.
2. A cougar was shot outside of Atlanta which is approximately 180 miles from where I claim to have had my cougar sighting.
3. A cougar sighting was recently verified in Tennessee, which borders South Carolina.
4. The circumstances for my sighting included daylight, close proximity, and multiple witnesses.

All you have is a distrust in my story, and SC DNR's claim that a breeding population of cougars doesn't exist in South Carolina. It appears by your standards of logic that the confirmation bias lies with you.
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Another typical attempt to reverse the burden of proof.

Not to mention simply editing out of your memory the way your story changes and adapts, to deal with real objections...

But of course you "saw" a "cougar" in broad daylight. In South Carolina. Everyone important believes your story; no need for evidence or anything.
 
I am having more of a problem with your story the more you post about it.
I have had lots of people tell me they've seen mountain lions and I don't usually think too much about it because (1) it is actually possible and becoming more common, and (2) it's apparently easy to mistake medium/large tawny animals moving in the distance. But in this case, a couple of your "facts" are presented in completely dishonest fashion such that it makes me doubt the rest of what you say.

For example:


Jodie said:
2. A cougar was shot outside of Atlanta which is approximately 180 miles from where I claim to have had my cougar sighting.
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180 miles? That seems really close.
Only, why does it matter how close Atlanta is to where your alleged sighting occurred? Was the Mt. Lion shot in Atlanta? No. it was actually double that distance away, 360 miles or more. A 6 hour drive. Why twist the facts like that? And who calls their own memory a "claim" ?




3. A cougar sighting was recently verified in Tennessee, which borders South Carolina.
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Yes, Tennessee (nearly, but not quite) borders SC, but the area of the Mt. Lion sighting in TN is approximately 11 hours drive from that part of SC in the far northwest corner of the state, near the Missouri border where we already know Mt. Lions sometimes visit.

Again with the twisting.


4. The circumstances for my sighting included daylight, close proximity, and multiple witnesses.

All you have is a distrust in my story, and SC DNR's claim that a breeding population of cougars doesn't exist in South Carolina. It appears by your standards of logic that the confirmation bias lies with you.
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Not really, all we have is an outlandish story, a complete lack of any corroborating evidence, and evidence of dishonesty in how you present support for your story. Then there is the past bigfoot belief, claim of past life memories, strange attacks on other forum members, none of which particularly help your credibility. Im sorry, but I just don't believe you.
 
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Slowvehicle said:
Another typical attempt to reverse the burden of proof.

Not to mention simply editing out of your memory the way your story changes and adapts, to deal with real objections...

But of course you "saw" a "cougar" in broad daylight. In South Carolina. Everyone important believes your story; no need for evidence or anything.
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Excuse me, but who would expect such a thing to happen and have the cell phone ready to take a pic? No one. What I find offensive is that everyone thinks I saw a coyote/bobcat/or fox instead of a cougar or they flat out think I'm lying.
 
Jodie said:
Humm, these are the facts that back up my story:

1.Cougars can travel long distances.
2. A cougar was shot outside of Atlanta which is approximately 180 miles from where I claim to have had my cougar sighting.
3. A cougar sighting was recently verified in Tennessee, which borders South Carolina.
4. The circumstances for my sighting included daylight, close proximity, and multiple witnesses.

All you have is a distrust in my story, and SC DNR's claim that a breeding population of cougars doesn't exist in South Carolina. It appears by your standards of logic that the confirmation bias lies with you.
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Nah...they don't back up your story, you've got nothing, your just desperately grabbing at thin air.
Same lame game different day, lame gamer shame on you!
 
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