Understanding the Liberal Mindset

[plague311]

Interesting that most of the founding fathers HATED the idea of "Factions" the 18th century term for political parties.

Yet they broke into parties pretty quick, didn't they?

Oh the Dems are curretnly infinatly better then the GOP, but that does mean they are faultless.
A lot of the problem with the US political system is not curable by making changes to the system but is more of a sprituial, if that is the right word,k problem. No democratic system on earth is safe from voter stupidity.
I am very uncomfortable that any criticism of anything on the political left is considered to doupleplusungood crime think by many here.
And I refuse to beleive I have to follow any party line of beliefs; I don;t see why the idea that the left is right on some issues but wrong on others, and vice verse with the right is so evil.

Yes, yes, scary 1984 quotes. It's the go-to for people who are selling nonsense.

If I'm being honest, I haven't seen anyone here even try to get you to follow a party line. I genuinely don't think anyone cares what party line you, specifically, are apart of. At least I don't see it anywhere. In fact, most of what you're saying here seems to be completely made up by you. I think you're confusing things a bit. When you criticize the left, and people push back on your criticism, no one is saying "doubleplusungood" or whatever the ◊◊◊◊. It's asking you to defend your criticism, but I usually just see you then say, "I'm a centrist, I don't like either party, they're both bad". Take for instance...right now. I said that implying both parties are equally at is insane, and not footed in reality. Now you're busting out lame ass 1984 phrases. You aren't defending your position, you're just complaining about being confronted.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I am very uncomfortable that any criticism of anything on the political left is considered to doupleplusungood crime think by many here.

Who says that, please?

 

[Steve]

Who says that, please?

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Just proves he doesn't read what he writes. I don't blame him, I wouldn't read it either.

 

[smartcooky]

We've spent 37 pages deconstructing your delusions. Have you learned nothing about the liberal mindset?

I don't need the likes of you and your loony-left pals to educate me about anything. Nothing you think you know relates to anything in the real world...you live in a fantasy land that believes men can get pregnant, women can have a penis, and that the ALP is a democratic political party.

ETA: and no, I'm NOT bringing content from "the thread where intellectual cowards fear to tread" to here, nor am I trying to derail my own thread, but I am merely using them as valid examples of the utter clown show that is the current left in politics, and the bat-crap crazy stuff they have convinced themselves they believe in.

ETA2: And no, you and our loony left pals have deconstructed NOTHING. All you have done is shown your blind obedience to left wing ideology, and your rank inability to see beyond the end of your own noses.

 

[acbytesla]

I don't need the likes of you and your loony-left pals to educate me about anything. Nothing you think you know relates to anything in the real world...you live in a fantasy land that believes men can get pregnant, women can have a penis, and that the ALP is a democratic political party.

ETA: and no, I'm NOT bringing content from "the thread where intellectual cowards fear to tread" to here, nor am I trying to derail my own thread, but I am merely using them as valid examples of the utter clown show that is the current left in politics, and the bat-crap crazy stuff they have convinced themselves they believe in.

ETA2: And no, you and our loony left pals have deconstructed NOTHING. All you have done is shown your blind obedience to left wing ideology, and your rank inability to see beyond the end of your own noses.

Clown show? The Democrats?

Have you seen the lying cheating corrupt clowns on the right these days? Literally the sleaziiest thieves that have ever walked the earth. Only Trump would appoint a head of the DOJ to give Trump a 10 billion dolla settlement in Trump’s suit against the IRS. The batcrap nuts anti-vaxer RFK head the Department of health. I can't believe just how insanely bad it has gotten. And the right is so afraid of losing their seats they have fallen right into line.

 

[jt512]

I don't need the likes of you and your loony-left pals to educate me about anything. Nothing you think you know relates to anything in the real world...you live in a fantasy land that believes men can get pregnant, women can have a penis, and that the ALP is a democratic political party.

ETA: and no, I'm NOT bringing content from "the thread where intellectual cowards fear to tread" to here, nor am I trying to derail my own thread, but I am merely using them as valid examples of the utter clown show that is the current left in politics, and the bat-crap crazy stuff they have convinced themselves they believe in.

ETA2: And no, you and our loony left pals have deconstructed NOTHING. All you have done is shown your blind obedience to left wing ideology, and your rank inability to see beyond the end of your own noses.

I think I’m in love.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

get a room

 

[smartcooky]

I think I’m in love.

I'll probably get dinged for speaking my mind, but at this point, I am beyond caring..this place as a forum for critical thinking has jumped the shark!

 

[Pixel42]

Well meaning people can be fooled, and their good natures taken advantage of.

I still prefer them to pig ignorant bigots.

 

[smartcooky]

Clown show? The Democrats?

Have you seen the lying cheating corrupt clowns on the right these days? Literally the sleaziiest thieves that have ever walked the earth. Only Trump would appoint a head of the DOJ to give Trump a 10 billion dolla settlement in Trump’s suit against the IRS. The batcrap nuts anti-vaxer RFK head the Department of health. I can't believe just how insanely bad it has gotten. And the right is so afraid of losing their seats they have fallen right into line.

Really? Have you not been keeping up?

See posts 721 & 722

Clowns like Albanese (Australia), Two-tier Kier (UK), Carney (Canada) on the left, and more clowns like Trump (USA), Erdogan (Turkey), Meloni (Italy) On the right. THEY'RE ALL JUST AS ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ BAD AS EACH OTHER. ◊◊◊◊ EVERY ONE OF THEM!!

 

[acbytesla]

Really? Have you not been keeping up?

See posts 721 & 722

Clowns like Albanese (Australia), Two-tier Kier (UK), Carney (Canada) on the left, and more clowns like Trump (USA), Erdogan (Turkey), Meloni (Italy) On the right. THEY'RE ALL JUST AS ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ BAD AS EACH OTHER. ◊◊◊◊ EVERY ONE OF THEM!!

Carney on the left? You can't be serious. And he's effing great.

 

[dirtywick]

lol it was just about the trans the whole time. makes sense, but lol

 

[arthwollipot]

I don't need the likes of you and your loony-left pals to educate me about anything. Nothing you think you know relates to anything in the real world...you live in a fantasy land that believes men can get pregnant, women can have a penis, and that the ALP is a democratic political party.

ETA: and no, I'm NOT bringing content from "the thread where intellectual cowards fear to tread" to here, nor am I trying to derail my own thread, but I am merely using them as valid examples of the utter clown show that is the current left in politics, and the bat-crap crazy stuff they have convinced themselves they believe in.

ETA2: And no, you and our loony left pals have deconstructed NOTHING. All you have done is shown your blind obedience to left wing ideology, and your rank inability to see beyond the end of your own noses.

This from someone who claims to be a "Centrist".

Are you still claiming that?

Anyone who still thinks that the Left is just as bad or worse than the Right should really listen to this episode of the Know Rogan Experience podcast:

#0064 - Russell Brand: Politically Homeless

Michael Marshall and Cecil Cicirello break down Joe's May 2023 interview with Russell Brand Clips used under fair use from JRE show #1949. Listen to our other shows…

www.knowrogan.com

In it, Marsh and Cecil deconstruct and show just how utterly vacuous that narrative is, in considerably more detail than I'm willing to go into here.

In fact, the very narrative that both sides are equally bad is a far-right position. Joe can't see it. Russel can't see it. They're too busy being all smarter-than-thou by claiming to not be a part of it at all, when in fact they are parroting all of the Rightist talking points, pushing the Rightist narrative with every word that proceeds from their pieholes, and engaging in the same casual bigotry that Rightists claim is enlightenment.

I say again - when you parrot the exact same narrative that Joe Rogan pushes, then you're either getting your information from him, or getting your information from the same far-right sources as him. Either way, you can't claim to be a centrist.

 

[SteveAitch]

Certain people look at the bad things their side do and have to believe the other side is just as bad, otherwise they have to accept that their side is the bad guys.

Also, it gives lazy sods an excuse not to get up off their arses to go and vote.

 

[dirtywick]

I don't need the likes of you and your loony-left pals to educate me about anything. Nothing you think you know relates to anything in the real world...you live in a fantasy land that believes men can get pregnant, women can have a penis, and that the ALP is a democratic political party.

ETA: and no, I'm NOT bringing content from "the thread where intellectual cowards fear to tread" to here, nor am I trying to derail my own thread, but I am merely using them as valid examples of the utter clown show that is the current left in politics, and the bat-crap crazy stuff they have convinced themselves they believe in.

ETA2: And no, you and our loony left pals have deconstructed NOTHING. All you have done is shown your blind obedience to left wing ideology, and your rank inability to see beyond the end of your own noses.

i'm going to go ahead and assume that your problem with the left's looney tunes views on the trans is that they're not following the science.

so i have to ask why the right mainstreaming anti-vax views isn't an even bigger and much more serious deal breaker? if it's a dedication to science thing, that is.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

We have lost the trick of the "So What?" Test.

Objectively, empirically, the potential damage from anyone considering themselves part of the Trans community to the rest of society are imperceptible above the background noise: it's just the Gay Panic again.

On the other hand the potential damage from the totalitarian takeovers in a number of countries could well be a century of world wars, and it will certainly mean no coordination on fighting climate change.

Just because one is very emotional about an issue doesn't mean it's actually important

 

[smartcooky]

i'm going to go ahead and assume that your problem with the left's looney tunes views on the trans is that they're not following the science.

so i have to ask why the right mainstreaming anti-vax views isn't an even bigger and much more serious deal breaker? if it's a dedication to science thing, that is.

You'll get no argument from me. Anti-vaxxers are nutcases... I have them in my own family unfortunately...

NOTE: Worth keeping in mind that the original anti-vaxxers were politically left wing, not right wing. The compulsory smallpox vaccination in the late 1800s was opposed by the working-class, libertarians, and liberals, arguing that those compulsory vaccinations were infringements on bodily autonomy and individual freedoms (sound familiar?)
By the 70s and 80s it was the the counterculture movement... enviromentalists (in my country, the Values Party), and the types of people who beleived in herbal medicines, driven by a distrust of pharmaceutical corporations and synthetic medical interventions. These were very much politically left-leaning. Conservatives were predominantly pro-vaccination... then Covid came along, and all hell broke loose.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Glad to know some folks know how I think. Rare thing, that.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Ah, the "Democrats used to be pro slavery" argument of bothsidism