Unbelievable.

[TJM]

A B25 low on fuel and lost in fog flying slow into a reinforced concrete building.

And about a tenth the size of a 767, not that it ever mattered to teh troof.

 

[Mudcat]

And about a tenth the size of a 767, not that it ever mattered to teh troof.

And nearly four-hundred mph slower. Not that facts matter to so-called Truthers.

 

[jaydeehess]

And about a tenth the size of a 767, not that it ever mattered to teh troof.

And nearly four-hundred mph slower. Not that facts matter to so-called Truthers.

the entire mass of the B25 is approx the same as the mass of the fuel load of the 767
So, momentum is approx 40 times , kinetic energy is about 160 times.

Now how could that make any difference at all?

Then of course the hundred gallons or so of B25 fuel did cause quite a fire on the smaller, post and beam, floor space of one floor of the ESB , whereas the thousands of gallons of fuel in the 767 caused extensive widespread fires on half a dozen adjacent, large area open space, floors in the towers.

Now how could that make any difference at all ?

 

[Mudcat]

Now how could that make any difference at all ?

Well, when you put it like that...

 

[Bell]

Could the B25 have been a practice run?

 

[DC]

Spotted on my commuter train this evening:

[qimg]http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff387/AJM8125/null-6.jpg[/qimg]

Words cannot describe how offended I am by that, but I did try to convey my feelings in the following message I just sent off to BART. (For those who don't know, BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit) is the leading and for many, the only viable mass transit system available in my area.)



If anyone would like chime in, go here:

http://bart.gov/siteinfo/comments.aspx

I'm out.

so you are more offended by those posters than by "robberies, assaults, women being accosted, people openly defecating and urinating" ?

 

[abaddon]

so you are more offended by those posters than by "robberies, assaults, women being accosted, people openly defecating and urinating" ?

Those are things that actually happen, as opposed to that which never happened.

 

[Mudcat]

Could the B25 have been a practice run?

Doubtful, considering the short-sightedness of people in general. If it was a practice run for an even bigger event, the follow up wouldn't have been so long after the original. 9/11 would have taken place much sooner.

 

[jaydeehess]

Could the B25 have been a practice run?

Yes, by all means. It was a proof of concept a few decades before it could be used by the reptilian overlords. We puny humans see such 'long' term planning as highly unlikely because we generally die before our tenth decade of life. The overlord's race are barely out of puberty at 50 years old.

 

[Travis]

Offended? Why?
"You're out"? Why?
Because someone informed you about something you didn't know?

Now that you know that 3 50+ story skyscrapers were brought down... how does that make you feel.?

Why do they assume that people don't know a third tower fell?

Wow.

And.. Why would that claim be false?
Not even the 911 commission dared to come p with an explanation...
If not CD.. Then why did if fall with free fall speed in its own footprint?

First off the 9/11 Commission was investigating policy issues not engineering issues.

Secondly, if you want to know how about we get some word from the chairman on fire safety in tall buildings for the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitats:

I would like to be clear that I see no credibilty whatsoever in the 911 truth movement and I believe, like the vast majority of tall building professionals, that all the failures at the WTC ( WTC 1, 2, 5, 6 and 7) were a direct or indirect result of the planes that were flown into the two towers. I have carefully looked at the evidence that the 911 truth movement presents and I cannot see any evidence of a controlled demolition. Unfortunately the 911truth movement web site does not allow any opinions contrary to their own, or I would have presented my views.

David Scott - CTBUH Chairman source
​

Glad to hear someone has all the answers..
So why did the 3 towers, the only 3 in history, evaporate in thin air..

They evaporated into thin air? Are you sure you know what that phrase implies?

No need.. Take any video and some college physics, H=1/2 x g x t x t
Take the WTC.. Roughly.. Without air resistance..417m = 1/2 x 10 m/s/s x t x t
T = sqrt 83= 9 seconds....

How does a building collapse in that time.. A collapse of 110 stories would take minutes.. And leave 110 floors on top of each other.....

Where are the floors..??q

So without air resistance we get a fall time of nine seconds. The buildings actually fell in about 16-27 seconds depending on what criteria you use. So I fail to see a problem.

But you think they should have taken minutes to collapse based on.......? A dream? Cryptic ramblings you deciphered off a piece of ancient parchment?

The buildings were standing after impact. As designed.

Well, no. They were not designed to survive such impacts. Luckily they did but that was not intended.

People use kerosine to cook their food in aluminum pots..

They sure can. So?

Collapse cannot happen at free fall speed.

Technically correct as we have this pesky atmosphere that prevents that. But as they did not this is irrelevant.

Why would a floor, a PC, a chair, a telephone turn to dust in a collapse? They would be flat.. Stacked up..

Um, no. To mimic the collapse conditions I would say you should throw your mentioned debris along with some concrete chunks into a cement mixer and turn it on. Note what comes out when you turn it off.

Easy to throw in "BS" and "fantasy" but you never really checked.
Btw.. The core was far from 95% air.. Did you forget about that piece of the structure? The official story that you seem to follow has nice graphics of the floors collapsing.... and forgets the core that would still be standing 400 m in the air...

No. The core was not a stable structure on its own. It relied on bracing with the exterior columns. As such it did indeed collapse after the floors and exterior columns gave way.

I'm sorry, but what is the poster denying? The official conspiracy theory that was fed to the media on day 1?

Evidence?

And yes again. It was broadcast *live* on 9/11

Eta: Or at least, it was broadcast. Can't remember if I saw it live on CNN or a recording of it.

It was broadcast on all the networks. I remember watching 7WTC collapse live on NBC the day it happened. And I thought nothing of it as that building collapsing made perfect sense considering the circumstances.

 

[MIKILLINI]

I get bonus points... Yeh!

So.. You didn't know about WTC-7 either...
It happens...

But seriously..
Anger about a poster informing people, making people think, is a strange reaction.
Apparently it violates a vision of what is believed to have happened.
As I said before. There is no need to have the answers on what did happen. There are many theories..
What is important is to find out what could not have happened.
The controlled demolition of WTC is such an event. The poster highlights that the event has been hidden from the main public, and when confronted with it, a totally irrational explanation was given..
It's good that people are made to think critically..

So you have evidence of a CD? No you don't.

 

[Sabrina]

Bump....

I was driving home after an appointment this morning when I passed a cab with one of those advertising boards on top. I realize that cab drivers have no control over what advertisements are placed on their cars, but when I saw the ReThink911.org advert on top of the cab, I pretty much swore to myself that I would never, if I could help it, use that cab company ever.

I couldn't get a picture (I was driving), but I'm fairly sure it's the same one as the OP. It's unfortunately spreading, I'm afraid.

 

[Orphia Nay]

This can go here too:

The Ottawa Rethink911 ad(s) have prompted this:

Bus ad questioning 9/11 sparks call for review of OC Transpo policies

Transit commission chairwoman Diane Deans agreed, saying while it was a "difficult challenge" to balance the constitutional right to free speech with community acceptability, she thought the ads were "insensitive."

Deans said she would ask for a review of OC Transpo's ad policies at the next transit commission meeting.

 

[leftysergeant]

Interesting choice of words..
Do a search for this paper.. (I would add the link, but I'm too fresh here..)
"New studies: ‘Conspiracy theorists’ sane, while government dupes are crazy and hostile"

Enjoy

I've seen it. It is basicly crap, with a whole lot of weak sauce on top.

It fails to mention that a lot of twofers buy Holocaust denial and chemtrails as well.

Knee-deep in moron droppings.

 

[Redwood]

Originally Posted by cloggy
Interesting choice of words..
Do a search for this paper.. (I would add the link, but I'm too fresh here..)
"New studies: ‘Conspiracy theorists’ sane, while government dupes are crazy and hostile"

Enjoy

I've seen it. It is basicly crap, with a whole lot of weak sauce on top.

It fails to mention that a lot of twofers buy Holocaust denial and chemtrails as well.

Knee-deep in moron droppings.

This is from anti-Semitic lunatic and general sleazo Kevin Barrett. He misrepresented the results of a study, and the researchers called him on it. Barrett responded by accusing the researchers of misrepresenting their own published work.

 

[jaydeehess]

This is from anti-Semitic lunatic and general sleazo Kevin Barrett. He misrepresented the results of a study, and the researchers called him on it. Barrett responded by accusing the researchers of misrepresenting their own published work.

So, to extend Lefty Sarge's metaphor, Barrett served up crap and weak sauce and called it Beef Wellington with Peppercorn sauce, was called on what it really was by, for instance, Gordon Ramsay, only to then claim that Ramsay is misrepresenting what Beef Wellington is.