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UK Sceptics Please Help - Princess Di

Sunday 10th December
BBC2 9pm-10pm
How Diana Died: The Conspiracy Files
"This programme investigates allegations that Princess Diana was murdered by the secret service on the orders of the British establishment. "
Source: BBC2 schedule listings
 
I remember reading an article by Andy McNab (the SAS Bravo Two Zero Guy) and he couldn't beleive how stupid the conspiracy theories where. If some nefarious elements in the Government had wanted to kill her it would have been much easier to setup an ambush, riddle the car with bullets and blame it on the IRA. No need for a complicated plot and much less dangerous.
 
StewartP said:
For the same reason that our human brians have evolved to recognise pattern, we cannot accept that important people can have ordinary mundane deaths.

If a Parisian family dies in a car crash on the periphique it's just a statistic. A figure as large as Diana can't just die in a drink/drive crash. It's too banal. So we try to make up for it by inventing CTs.

Elvis can't just die of drugs and dietery disorder, its too sordid, too trailer park trash for the King.

Marilyn Monroe can't just die of depression and drink.

We seek epic ends for our epic celebs.
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I wonder why there aren't equally odd conspiracy freakshows around the deaths of other equally great (or greater) celebrities who die, like Jimmi Hendrix, John Belushi, James Dean, Jane Mansfield (I mean other than the urban myth that she was decapitated), etc. Is there a prerequisite that a celeb must be sufficiently blonde?

Ersby said:
The idea that Diana would've had to convert to Islam doesn't really stand up since Dodi's previous non-muslim wife didn't have to.
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Muslim men can marry non-Muslim women, and the women don't have to convert, and Dodi Fayed didn't seem to have the need to push the issue. I suppose any kid produced by those two would have likely been raised as a Muslim, but I don't know if that's a claim the CTs point to in the Diana case.
 
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Polaris said:
I wonder why there aren't equally odd conspiracy freakshows around the deaths of other equally great (or greater) celebrities who die, like Jimmi Hendrix, John Belushi, James Dean, Jane Mansfield (I mean other than the urban myth that she was decapitated), etc. Is there a prerequisite that a celeb must be sufficiently blonde?
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Jimi Hendrix:

http://www.maebrussell.com/Articles and Notes/Covert War Against Rock.html
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/john_lennon/Chapter12.htm
http://www.illuminati-news.com/art-and-mc/field-of-art.htm
http://www.rockmine.com/Hendrix/ASM.html

John Belushi:

http://www.maebrussell.com/Transcriptions/537 side 2.html
http://www.altx.com/interzones2/gregory.html

James Dean, sketchier but mentioned in these articles:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14960099/
http://www.eye.net/eye/issue/issue_11.16.95/NEWS/nak1116.php
http://www.thetruthaboutdavinci.com/conspiracy-theories.html

and there's some "Death Inc." stuff:

http://www.kshaddock.com/deathinc_tv/home.html

I'm pretty sure this is a spoof, though.

Jayne Mansfield, again pretty sketchy, but there's some mention about a connection with JFK:

http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/bloodlines/kennedy.htm
http://www.maebrussell.com/Bibliography Sheets/607s1.html

in some rambling about Timex watches and fear:

http://www.anu.edu.au/HRC/first_and_last/works/feareverywhere.htm

Plus there's all that stuff about Anton LaVey, such as:

http://atn2002.tripod.com/intersections/id3.html
http://www.clydelewis.com/dis/helter/helter.html

I suppose some people would take this indicate Illuminati involvement in her death.
 
maccy said:
Jimi Hendrix:

http://www.maebrussell.com/Articles and Notes/Covert War Against Rock.html
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/john_lennon/Chapter12.htm
http://www.illuminati-news.com/art-and-mc/field-of-art.htm
http://www.rockmine.com/Hendrix/ASM.html

John Belushi:

http://www.maebrussell.com/Transcriptions/537 side 2.html
http://www.altx.com/interzones2/gregory.html

James Dean, sketchier but mentioned in these articles:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14960099/
http://www.eye.net/eye/issue/issue_11.16.95/NEWS/nak1116.php
http://www.thetruthaboutdavinci.com/conspiracy-theories.html

and there's some "Death Inc." stuff:

http://www.kshaddock.com/deathinc_tv/home.html

I'm pretty sure this is a spoof, though.

Jayne Mansfield, again pretty sketchy, but there's some mention about a connection with JFK:

http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/bloodlines/kennedy.htm
http://www.maebrussell.com/Bibliography Sheets/607s1.html

in some rambling about Timex watches and fear:

http://www.anu.edu.au/HRC/first_and_last/works/feareverywhere.htm

Plus there's all that stuff about Anton LaVey, such as:

http://atn2002.tripod.com/intersections/id3.html
http://www.clydelewis.com/dis/helter/helter.html

I suppose some people would take this indicate Illuminati involvement in her death.
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...shutting up now. :jaw-dropp
 
As mentioned above - she was in a car driven by a drunken bum and she didn't wear a seat-belt. The bodyguard in the front seat who did wear his seat belt survived the crash. I'm just amazed that someone managed to fit a CT around the death, there is very little room to manoeuvre.
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Not really - a number of the trailing media reported the fiat and the flash. The Paris police took the report seriously enough to do a search for the vehicle.

The bottom line - speed killed them. The car had been heavily modified, but still caried almost stock shock absorbers.

Anyone who has driven a heavily loaded vehicle over a road dip will understand exactly what this does
 
Bump, Sunday. It's the first prog of a series and guess which other conspiracy theory they examine.

"The Conspiracy Files series returns in the New Year to examine the conspiracies surrounding the 9/11 attacks, the Oklahoma bomb, and the death of Dr David Kelly."

Edit: 9/11 prog link.
 
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An interesting report (and preview of the forthcoming programme) has just been broadcast on the BBC 10 o'clock news (first item). Usually available to view online after broadcast here (click TV and radio programmes bar).
 
JimTheBrit said:
An interesting report (and preview of the forthcoming programme) has just been broadcast on the BBC 10 o'clock news (first item). Usually available to view online after broadcast here (click TV and radio programmes bar).
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Thanx for the link. Found this article from last night that may be a preview of what the program will cover. Thankfully, it appears they're debunking the theory more than fueling it, but I'd like to see the whole episode tomorrow. I was getting concerned.... I respect the BBC, generally, and the thought that they were falling into conspiracy paranoia was worrisome. Hopefully they treat the 9/11 show the same way.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6162041.stm
 
BBC's 'have your say' page on the Diana conspiracy here

Some woowo - "WE WON'T WAKE UP!!!11one" - but a lot of people aren't convinced it was a conspiracy.
 
The BBC does a good line in programmes which build an issue up only to debunk it.

Horizon did an excellent job on Intelligent Design some months back - first 20 mins stating the case for ID, remainder of programme pulverising it into dust.

I expect the same when they come to do 9/11 :)

Actually, that got me wondering: Recall the fairly recent decision by the beeb to edit that erroneous web report claiming that the hijackers were still alive? Can just imagine researcher for the 9/11 episode coming across that and saying "Hey guys...."
 
uk_dave said:
The BBC does a good line in programmes which build an issue up only to debunk it.

Horizon did an excellent job on Intelligent Design some months back - first 20 mins stating the case for ID, remainder of programme pulverising it into dust.

I expect the same when they come to do 9/11 :)

Actually, that got me wondering: Recall the fairly recent decision by the beeb to edit that erroneous web report claiming that the hijackers were still alive? Can just imagine researcher for the 9/11 episode coming across that and saying "Hey guys...."
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Ha :D

I wish they'd do the same with the picture of the WTC core that Christophera is still using on his web page. I think that was originally from the BBC no?
 
I agree to an extent Dave, but increasingly the Beeb seem to be coming from the "all viewpoints are valid" angle, and relying on the obvious insanity of what they're showing to make those with any ability to think for themselves, what the situation is with X bit of woo. The danger of not pressing home the point is that many casual viewers won't get it, and won't question it. Let alone the already-indoctrinated. I'm brought to mind of the docu on the new age healer woman and her teenage daughter "protege", where (I think) the BBC were happy to just let them talk, and didn't challenge or counter anything they said.
 
Big Les said:
I'm brought to mind of the docu on the new age healer woman and her teenage daughter "protege", where (I think) the BBC were happy to just let them talk, and didn't challenge or counter anything they said.
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I seem to remember that program wasn't an investigation, but a Jon Ronson-style "stick them in front of a camera and let them make idiots of themselves" show.
 
I have to grant the CT theories around Di's death a bit of plausibility. A lot of people around my office work with keyboards and none of them has ever hinted that Car Pole Tunnel syndrome can be fatal. So I just can't buy the official story.
 
There's an interview with Mohamed Al Fayed on tonight's ITV main news regarding the Diana report (published tomorrow), 6.30pm - 7pm.Unsurprisingly, he doesn't agree with it's alleged conclusions.
 
CptColumbo said:
Does anyone remember the name of the dcoumentary that talked to British Stand-up comics, who were censored regarding any Diana material? They had one who read the lyrics to "Candle in the Wind," and asked what they had to do with Diana. I think I saw it on A&E in the US.
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I don't know about that, but this always makes me laugh...


 
James Bond implicated in Diana assassination

Moneypenny: Better go in James. This looks important.

M: Ah, 007. Sit down.

Bond: I was on holiday, sir.

M: Sorry, 007, this is more important. We have a very important job for you. The assassination of Princess Diana and her fiance Dodi Fayed.

Bond: Good God! Why, sir?

M: The silly girl is apparently planning to marry the feller. And she's pregnant. At least that's what we read on the Web. The constitutional implications are horrendous.

Bond: I don't see why, sir. She's divorced, after all. I don't see how there are any constitutional implications. Suppose she did become a Muslim. What would it matter?

M: What if the boys converted, Bond? You know that young boys idolise their stepfathers.

Bond: Can't the Queen just forbid them to see him sir? Wouldn't that be easier than an assassination?

M: Not our decision, Bond. Orders from higher up. Mr Prescott is handling this personally.

Bond: Very well, sir.

M: Now, you'll be coordinating with Mathis of the Deuxieme Bureau. You worked with him before.

Bond: Mathis, sir? What has he got to do with this?

M: It's been decided to carry out the assassination in France. It will be a joint British/French operation, like Concorde, or the Channel Tunnel. You'll need to ensure that the French police, judiciary and hospital staff are all properly briefed. It's to be a fake car crash.

Bond: With respect sir, doesn't that complicate things hugely? I'm very fond of Mathis, but I wouldn't trust the French to keep quiet for an operation this big. It's very risky. Why not do it in Knightsbridge, with our own people?

M: Prescott says Paris, Bond, and that's that.

(Speaks into microphone on desk).

M: Q, will you come in please?

(Q enters)

Q: Is this Operation Blonde Bombshell, sir?

M: Yes, Q. Tell Bond about the car we're giving him. Bond, you need to ram the Fayed armoured Mercedes off the road.

Bond: Tricky job, sir, to make sure they're all killed. I'll need the right vehicle.

Q: Indeed you will, Bond. That's why we're giving you a Fiat Uno.

Bond: A what... A Fiat... Why on Earth....

Q: More inconspicuous, Bond. The last thing anyone would expect is for someone to ram a Mercedes with a Fiat.

Bond: But... but...

(M & Q start giggling)

Bond: Bastards. You had me going there.
 
The final final verdict:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6179275.stm

Supposedly the report is due out online, but I can't yet find it (Radio 4 said they would link to it).

I heard "Al" Fayed on Radio 4 this morning spouting unmitigated and textbook CT nonsense about the report commissioner being "got to" in some way and that he'd be ignoring the results of the report because "only he" knew the truth. No evidence, just speculation. The presenter gave him short shrift thankfully.

Yet STILL elements of the media won't accept this. The article linked says:

I do not generally favour conspiracy theories, preferring the cock-up school of history. I never blamed the US government for the Oklahoma bomb and divined no darker secret behind the planes that smashed into the World Trade Centre. I don't see Dr David Kelly's death as anything other than suicide. I don't even believe the Prime Minister lied about Iraq's lethal weapons; I fear he believed in every last tonne. Nor can I offer any explanation for the poisoning of the former spy, Alexander Litvinenko. I just do not think it was in Putin's interests to have ordered it.

Diana's death is different. There has been too much secrecy. Too many people have tried too hard to convince us we should not believe what we do believe for us to accept that it was only an accident. Which reminds me of something else I don't believe: that only one in three Britons shares this view.
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Textbook argument from incredulity as far as I can see. It reminds me of 9/11 CTists denouncing all other CT fruitcakes before them, and proceeding to repeat the same mistakes in their own pet context. Sigh.
 
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