UK Sceptics Please Help - Princess Di

[Darat]

Actually it is understandable why people stick to these theories. At least a plausible motive can be found in this case. The next King being raised in a Muslim household is not a totally absurd reason for a assination plot.

Similarly when an avowed communist that defected to the USSR and then returned to the US shoots the president, it is only natural to look for something fishy.

I am not saying that there is any proof just that you can at least construct a plausible scenario.

Unlike certain other CTs that I can't see any coherant reason for.

The Queen can legally control how the heirs to the throne are educated and so on.

 

[valis]

The Queen can legally control how the heirs to the throne are educated and so on.

I am sure she can.

However I can picture where there might be a tad bit of resentment when the Princess dumps the Prince and takes up with a wealthy Muslim. People have killed over a lot less.

I am not saying the royals did it. I am saying it at least is a plausible reason.

 

[Soapy Sam]

There is a movie about to be released , starring Helen Mirren as the present Queen Elizabeth (not to be confused with QE1 of England, also recently played by Mirren.)
I expect all manner of covert publicity for the film, which will probably involve stirring this particular pot of golden muck yet again.

 

[tkingdoll]

People cling to their CTs for different reasons. Hoping the Monarchy will abolish itself is one that, as you imply, is quite harmless. However I used to work with a muslim guy who used to pass around the 'killed because she was converting to islam' quite frequently. He'd got it from his muslim friends, and if his visible anger was anything to go by thos guys were cooking up an awful lot of resentment over virtually nothing. I'm sure you can see how misinformation like that could be used to manipulate impressionable young muslims.

Yes, you're right. I didn't think of it like that, but it is a propoganda tool. Interesting perspective, thanks!

 

[StewartP]

For the same reason that our human brians have evolved to recognise pattern, we cannot accept that important people can have ordinary mundane deaths.

If a Parisian family dies in a car crash on the periphique it's just a statistic. A figure as large as Diana can't just die in a drink/drive crash. It's too banal. So we try to make up for it by inventing CTs.

Elvis can't just die of drugs and dietery disorder, its too sordid, too trailer park trash for the King.

Marilyn Monroe can't just die of depression and drink.

We seek epic ends for our epic celebs.

 

[valis]

For the same reason that our human brians have evolved to recognise pattern, we cannot accept that important people can have ordinary mundane deaths.

If a Parisian family dies in a car crash on the periphique it's just a statistic. A figure as large as Diana can't just die in a drink/drive crash. It's too banal. So we try to make up for it by inventing CTs.

Elvis can't just die of drugs and dietery disorder, its too sordid, too trailer park trash for the King.

Marilyn Monroe can't just die of depression and drink.

We seek epic ends for our epic celebs.

Again, just to beat a dead horse. Monroe was having or had in the past affairs with the President, his brother and a powerful organized crime figure. It would not be absurd to think about the people who would be better off with her dead.

The problem comes when you claim things to be true based only on the fact that you can create a plausible sounding scenerio for them.

 

[Ersby]

Fortean Studies did a pretty comprehansive review of the conspiracy threories. (I can't remember which volume)

The idea that Diana would've had to convert to Islam doesn't really stand up since Dodi's previous non-muslim wife didn't have to.

 

[CptColumbo]

Does anyone remember the name of the dcoumentary that talked to British Stand-up comics, who were censored regarding any Diana material? They had one who read the lyrics to "Candle in the Wind," and asked what they had to do with Diana. I think I saw it on A&E in the US.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

The conspiracy theories surrounding Princess Dianas death are slightly more plausible than other theories surrounding certain other recent events.

This, if for no other reason, that in light of the thousand odd year history of the English Crown, it wouldn't exactly have been an unusual thing.

 

[Dog Town]

Any CT that could plaus be in the few, is poss. Di, hell... easy! But as stated above, risky to rely on a seat belt! The Mob took down JFK, no doubt in my mind! Grew up in Big D!

 

[NeilC]

You have to admit there are some very odd things about the investigation.

 

[Darat]

You have to admit there are some very odd things about the investigation.

I don't know which oddness you are referring to but I remember at the time some of the apparent oddness was probably just because the French do some things in a different way to us and have a very different legal system. Also I remember at the time some confusion caused by the fact that France has public officials with the same title (Judge comes to mind) as some UK public officials but they have quite different responsibilities, duties and authority then their UK equivalent.

 

[brodski]

The conspiracy theories surrounding Princess Dianas death are slightly more plausible than other theories surrounding certain other recent events.

This, if for no other reason, that in light of the thousand odd year history of the English Crown, it wouldn't exactly have been an unusual thing.

Yes it would be, the traditional course of action would have been a publicly declared order to murder, none of this secret conspiracy crap.

 

[Brainache]

Yes it would be, the traditional course of action would have been a publicly declared order to murder, none of this secret conspiracy crap.

Slight derail here, but did I see a report or something not too long ago about the skeletons of two small boys found walled up inside one of the royal castles ? The castle was being renovated or something and the implication was that they were the remains of some usurper's nephews.
It is entirely possible that I am misrembering(is that a word?) this.

 

[NeilC]

No I mean genuinly odd.

Obviously I'm only going from newspaper accounts like most people but as I understand it the pathologist and toxicologist who carried out Paul's post-mortem are both beng investigated. Could be unsubstantiated media rumour.

 

[The Atheist]

Bearing in mind that we will probably never know the truth behind that night's events,

Sorry, tkingdoll, that's a shocker.

Given Diana's prominence, I'd say it's probably the best-documented car crash in history. I believe we know exactly what happened that night, step by fateful step. Cause and effect at every step of the way.

The conspiracy theories surrounding Princess Dianas death are slightly more plausible than other theories surrounding certain other recent events.

Same applies. What part's plausible?

As mentioned above - she was in a car driven by a drunken bum and she didn't wear a seat-belt. The bodyguard in the front seat who did wear his seat belt survived the crash. I'm just amazed that someone managed to fit a CT around the death, there is very little room to manoeuvre.

I've found that people who are most susceptible to CT regarding Diana are women who were fervent admierers of Diana when she was alive. There are truly unbelievable numbers of otherwise quite sane Kiwi chicks who ascribe to the CT version of events.

Much as I give two hoots about anything to do with the Royal Family (unlike the Royle Family, who are great), I did see Diana as having the same "x factor" which makes one pretty woman a superstar and the other a waitress. Women wanted to be Diana's friend. People hurt when a loved one dies and especially when it's a loved one whom you never met it's an extremely attractive and compelling idea that someone is to blame - other than the logical place for the blame - on the woman who let a pissed-up alco drive her at 100mph.

In response to the OP, this is one of those things where there's nothing you can say or do to convince people that the CT around Diana's death is as false as a two-bob watch. The offical "investigation" is, I believe coming to an end shortly. The results will confirm exactly what we already know about the crash, the CTists will scream "cover-up" and she'll be back on Page 1. brodski summed it up perfectly with his headline: "Diana Still Dead", it's just not going to sell, while a conspiracy involving UK's current most polpular migrant type is going to sell the roof off.

The entire Diana Marketing Industry is not about to let a little thing like death stand in the way of making money out of her. Give it another 50 years and people will be calling for beatification.(if Anglicans do that?)

 

[NeilC]

I also couldn't give a toss about Diana or the royals but the investigation into her death was bizarre.

Nobody seems to be able to explain the level of carbon monoxide in Paul's blood. He supposedly died instantly. So how did it get into his body? There seems to have been at the least a cock up with blood samples.

 

[Mancman]

Slight derail here, but did I see a report or something not too long ago about the skeletons of two small boys found walled up inside one of the royal castles ? The castle was being renovated or something and the implication was that they were the remains of some usurper's nephews.
It is entirely possible that I am misrembering(is that a word?) this.

Aye.

 

[Brainache]

I reckon it was this bloke who killed those princes coz he's got an evil name:

John Howard, later the first Duke of Norfolk of the current creation, was a claimant to the estate of the Mowbray Dukes of Norfolk. He was given custody of the Tower of London under less than regular circumstances the night the Princes are supposed to have disappeared from the Tower. He had opportunity and motive—Richard, Duke of York, was also Duke of Norfolk in right of his deceased child bride Anne, the daughter of the last Mowbray Duke.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Same applies. What part's plausible?

Pretty much that someone in the royal family would want to do it. They have a history, after all.

Beyond that, it's as you said; most documented car crash in history. Car crashes may be dramatic, but they are notoriously unreliable as means of assasination. There's no way to deliberately rig a vehicular incident to produce a garanteed fatality in one specific passenger that would have escaped the 10,000 papparazi who weren't directly involved.