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UFO'S: A possible explanation

I vote that for the majority of reports we go with the mundane like your 10-15 mundane cookie cutter explanations.

Your 10-15 cookie cutter explanations is false. You have one of them listed as "anything not mentioned", which means the explanations are endless in possibilities. Feel free to demonstrate this is not true. List your 10-15 explanations and I will give you more.
 
"Daniken" I've heard of, who's "Sitchin"?

Neither of these people have 'seen' gods for themselves, right? They have only assembled various renderings from around the world, and given their thoughts on these matters...right?
you never heard of Sitchin, I'm amazed that anyone can be that lucky
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Ignore such collage makers, and look at the evidence for yourself.

Google: "Historical, U.F.O. artwork"
way ahead of you, perhaps you can tell me then why it is that when I google "Historical, U.F.O. artwork" I don't see anything that is either completely misrepresented or even remotely alien, I'll give you an example
this is listed as
a number of reptilian entities found in Iraq. They are dated at 5000-4500 BC. They are housed in the british museum.
reptile.jpg


can you explain to me how this is even remotely related to UFO's, its actually a ubaidian votive offering from a culture (Ubaid) that worshipped snakes
its clearly just the usual therianthropic figure which was 100% normal all over the ancient world during this era
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therianthropy
if this is supposed to be an alien then so is every other God in the ancient world
so you have , dog headed aliens
bird headed aliens
snake headed aliens
crocodile headed aliens
lion headed aliens
see the only thing that links therianthropes from different cultures is that they are based on animals known and respected by the cultures that created them. And all those animals are from this planet

and as I said earlier, if youd done this research yourself properly then you already know that any attempt to link anomalous images with the modern ufo enigma is cherry picking of the worst kind

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I've seen Venus at noon on a clear day.
The only UFO I've seen turned out to be an An-2, flying around Palmdale many years ago.


I saw one odd object sitting out watching fireworks one 4th of July. It was a very bright light that just hovered way, way up in the air, at about a 30 degree angle away from me to the west.

It just hovered there for about 10 minutes, which was very odd. It seemed quite high and far away, and thus not likely a helicopter (which would have other blinking lights anyway). And it couldn't be a plane because it didn't move. And it wasn't a planet because it was way too bright.

Had I gone in then, I'd never have known what it was.

But I stayed out. Eventually the thing started moving overhead, then in the course of about 1 minute, came roaring overhead.

It was a jet, and had been on a descent vector to a nearby airport that just happened to be descending more or less directly at me. Hence it didn't move in the sky at all for quite awhile.
 
By the way, there are lovely writeups that cover the various Phoenix Lights, that list all the incredible things people report, then compare them to actual video footage (which supports the real explanations).

So just because some people say it turned suddenly and shot away doesn't mean that's what actually happened.
 
you never heard of Sitchin, I'm amazed that anyone can be that lucky
:D

way ahead of you, perhaps you can tell me then why it is that when I google "Historical, U.F.O. artwork" I don't see anything that is either completely misrepresented or even remotely alien, I'll give you an example
this is listed as

[qimg]http://www.ufoartwork.com/images/ufoartwork_bc/reptile.jpg[/qimg]

can you explain to me how this is even remotely related to UFO's, its actually a ubaidian votive offering from a culture (Ubaid) that worshipped snakes
its clearly just the usual therianthropic figure which was 100% normal all over the ancient world during this era
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therianthropy
if this is supposed to be an alien then so is every other God in the ancient world
so you have , dog headed aliens
bird headed aliens
snake headed aliens
crocodile headed aliens
lion headed aliens
see the only thing that links therianthropes from different cultures is that they are based on animals known and respected by the cultures that created them. And all those animals are from this planet

and as I said earlier, if youd done this research yourself properly then you already know that any attempt to link anomalous images with the modern ufo enigma is cherry picking of the worst kind

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Cherry picking...is a term I'd use to describe which images YOU chose to post here.

I'll concede, that some of the images, artwork, or sculpture has nothing to do with "the gods of the heavens", but if the above images are all that you found, then you stopped looking far too soon.

People the world over throughout time describe seeing the same kinds of flying objects, in association with "gods". People are STILL seeing the same kinds of objects today.

Something is up there, and have been for as long as men could chisel on walls...
 
Yes, something is up there. And that "something" is wholly natural and quantifiable. There are 100 million meteors in our solar system, and some of them fall to earth occasionally as what we call meteorites, fireballs, or bolides, often leaving meteoric dust and ionization trails in their wake. These objects and their effects look different depending on atmospheric and weather effects, and distance from the viewer, and can and have fallen anywhere and everywhere in the world, for at least as long as the human species has been able to look up at the sky and wonder what it is we've been looking at.

There is also the known human tendency to invent explanations based on pure imagination. The scientific theory and critical thinking processes have only been invented and expounded in the last 300 years at the most.

Oh, and of course, unidentified objects could also be alien spacecraft. We have no non-hoaxable, independently verified evidence that such things exist, but the possibility must be stated that yes indeed, alien visitors might be zipping through the skies right now, ready to probe each and every one of us with little or no provocation.

That said... now what? Where does that lead us?
 
Yes, something is up there. And that "something" is wholly natural and quantifiable. There are 100 million meteors in our solar system, and some of them fall to earth occasionally as what we call meteorites, fireballs, or bolides, often leaving meteoric dust and ionization trails in their wake. These objects and their effects look different depending on atmospheric and weather effects, and distance from the viewer, and can and have fallen anywhere and everywhere in the world, for at least as long as the human species has been able to look up at the sky and wonder what it is we've been looking at.

There is also the known human tendency to invent explanations based on pure imagination. The scientific theory and critical thinking processes have only been invented and expounded in the last 300 years at the most.

Oh, and of course, unidentified objects could also be alien spacecraft. We have no non-hoaxable, independently verified evidence that such things exist, but the possibility must be stated that yes indeed, alien visitors might be zipping through the skies right now, ready to probe each and every one of us with little or no provocation.

That said... now what? Where does that lead us?

There is weird material of unknown origin that is found all over the world. Star jelly, etc.

I can show you some links, if your willing to read them?
 
Since the stuff dissolves soon after (supposedly) impacting the earth, there is currently no verifiable evidence for it beyond the purely anecdotal. I'm not sure what the pics you posted links to are supposed to show, but they're definitely not "star jelly" since that stuff is supposed to be gelatinous, quivering goo, which rapidly dissolves into an odorless, sticky scum. At all events, there are all manner of non-paranormal, non-astronomical, terrestrial explanations for them, among these frog spawn, animal vomit, slime mold, and lichen.
 
Since the stuff dissolves soon after (supposedly) impacting the earth, there is currently no verifiable evidence for it beyond the purely anecdotal. I'm not sure what the pics you posted links to are supposed to show, but they're definitely not "star jelly" since that stuff is supposed to be gelatinous, quivering goo, which rapidly dissolves into an odorless, sticky scum. At all events, there are all manner of non-paranormal, non-astronomical, terrestrial explanations for them, among these frog spawn, animal vomit, slime mold, and lichen.

How about the Bob White object? What about the Soil contents showing weird acidity Levels? Im just playing the devils advocate here, Vort.
 
Which one is the "Bob White object"? You haven't identified what any of those pics are meant to represent. Why is an unusual level of soil acidity supposed to be evidence for paranormal/extraterrestrial activity? What does any of this have to do with the thread topic, which are Unidentified Flying/Floating/Luminous Objects?
 
Which one is the "Bob White object"? You haven't identified what any of those pics are meant to represent. Why is an unusual level of soil acidity supposed to be evidence for paranormal/extraterrestrial activity? What does any of this have to do with the thread topic, which are Unidentified Flying/Floating/Luminous Objects?

http://www.earthstores.com/UFOSRUS/images/object picture_laughlin.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hudson_Park_UFO_sightings

Bloecher took samples of the soil from where O'Barski said the UFO had landed in the park. Analysis at an independent laboratory demonstrated that, unusually for soil from a city park, the samples were entirely free of plant roots.
 
I'll concede, that some of the images, artwork, or sculpture has nothing to do with "the gods of the heavens", but if the above images are all that you found, then you stopped looking far too soon.

in that case and as you clealy don't know what youre talking about when it comes to ancient history please provide the images which are confusing you and i'll tell you what they are
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btw you do realise that the one constant in the ancient world no matter what culture is that all the Gods lived on mountains and that "heaven" was always depicted as the peak of the mountain, think Mt Olympus, Mt Meru, Mt Sumeru Mt Bkhu, Mt Manu, Asgard, The cosmic mountain etc etc etc. The other constant is that people thought that the world was a disc surrounded by a bubble of air and suspended in liquid, what part of that belief makes you think anyone knew what outer space was, I mean. didn't you ever wonder why the Egyptians really regularly portrayed the sun god on a sailing ship?
 
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Can not be dismissed? Again, we are stuck with anecdotal reports that mean very little. We do not know the amount of error associated with said reports. Because of this, the reports may or may not be accurate and therefore, have difficulty in being explained. I can potentially explain some and others I can not. However, I see no evidence that proves they are dragons, aliens, witches, fairies, etc.

Like I said in the beginning, you will take anecdotal evidence like the ameuture astronomers because it conforms and reinforces you reality map, but you will not accept anecdotal evidence from expert testimony that doesn't conform and reinforce your reality map.


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f you want to start a thread on human levitation, go right ahead.I started to watch the clip and could not figure out what it had to do with UFOs. Stay on topic.

this is another classic Attack of the Gigantic Straw Man. He's burning your house down. The thread isn't about UFOs, witches or bad mayonaise. It's about objective skepticism as opposed to subjective skepticism.

The Joe Nickel vid is a prime example of phony debunkery. It shows a pseudoskeptic in all his full, dark glory. It is an example how how someone can take a mundane explanation and stretch it to the breaking point and beyond in a desparate attempt to maintain the structural integrity of their congnitive closure.

The really beautiful part of it is, he is staring straight out from the middle of his bias blindspot and doesn't even know it. You go, Joe!!!
 
this is another classic Attack of the Gigantic Straw Man. He's burning your house down. The thread isn't about UFOs, witches or bad mayonaise. It's about objective skepticism as opposed to subjective skepticism.
I'm sorry but then you are in the wrong thread. Go reread the OP because this thread isn't about whatever pet nonsense you want to spew when it benefits you at the time.

Next time try not to be so blatant and clumsy with your dodges and red herrings, it just makes you look not only dishonest but also incompetent.
The Joe Nickel vid is a prime example of phony debunkery. It shows a pseudoskeptic in all his full, dark glory. It is an example how how someone can take a mundane explanation and stretch it to the breaking point and beyond in a desparate attempt to maintain the structural integrity of their congnitive closure.

The really beautiful part of it is, he is staring straight out from the middle of his bias blindspot and doesn't even know it. You go, Joe!!!
You know, in the real world and not fantasy land you actually need to back up your nonsense otherwise it is known as an ad hominem. But I guess that would require actual understanding to do so.
 
It is not Randi. Feynman was a scientist who was quite respected. I guess if quote Sagan, I would get the same response. His point is that, without evidence, the most likely scenario is that people are making mistakes. Until you can provide solid evidence to the contrary, the theory that UFOs are alien spaceships will be considered unscientific.



Here's another well respected scientist who was much more involved in the UFO controversy:

Hynek, J. Allen (1910-1986)
J. Allen Hynek
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Astronomy professor at Ohio State University, who went on to become Associate Director of the Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory (1956), and chairman of the Astronomy Department at Northwestern University (1960).

In 1949 when he was invited by the US Air Force to become the astronomical consultant to Project Grudge, based at nearby Wright Field (later Wright-Patterson AFB), in Dayton. He continued in this position with the subsequent and much longer Project Blue Book, gradually shifting over the years from a position of extreme skepticism to one in which he believed that UFOs represent "an aspect or domain of the natural world not yet explored by science."

Report by Dr. Hynek. Hynek describes dozens of impressive, hard-to-explain UFO cases that cannot be easily dismissed as hoaxes or mundane phenomena such as birds, balloons, ball lightning, etc.

cases to sightings lasting a minute or more, again for obvious reasons.”

“Another shift in Hynek's opinions came after conducting an informal poll of his astronomer colleagues in the early 1950s. Among those he queried was Dr. Clyde Tombaugh, who discovered the dwarf planet Pluto. Of 44 astronomers, five (over 11 percent) had seen aerial objects that they could not account for with established, mainstream science. Most of these astronomers had not widely shared their accounts for fear of ridicule or of damage to their reputations or careers (Tombaugh was an exception, having openly discussed his own UFO sightings). Hynek also noted that this 11% figure was, according to most polls, greater than those in the general public who claimed to have seen UFOs. Furthermore, the astronomers were presumably more knowledgeable about observing and evaluating the skies than the general public, so their observations were arguably more impressive. Hynek was also distressed by what he regarded as the dismissive or arrogant attitude of many mainstream scientists towards UFO reports and witnesses.

Change of opinion

Hynek's opinions about UFOs began a slow and gradual shift. After examining hundreds of UFO reports over the decades (including some made by credible witnesses, including astronomers, pilots, police officers, and military personnel), Hynek concluded that some reports represented genuine empirical observations.

Hynek also said this: “My concern is with flying saucers of long lifetime -- those which have not, as yet, been "captured" or demolished by an explanation. Let us further limit them to those that have been observed by two or more people, at least one of whom is practiced in the making of observations of some kind, that is, to pilots, control tower operators, weather observers, scientific workers, etc. Also, let us limit cases to sightings lasting a minute or more, again for obvious reasons.”
 

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