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UFO'S: A possible explanation

Astrophotographer said:
Your 10-15 cookie cutter explanations is false. You have one of them listed as "anything not mentioned", which means the explanations are endless in possibilities. Feel free to demonstrate this is not true. List your 10-15 explanations and I will give you more.
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In this context what I meant was if there were some mundane explanations of the type a CSIOPtic would use to explain away something that you could feel free to add your own mundanes.
 
Try clicking your heels together 3 times.
If you have the red satin slippers.
That always fulfills wishes.
 
paximperium said:
I'm sorry but then you are in the wrong thread. Go reread the OP because this thread isn't about whatever pet nonsense you want to spew when it benefits you at the time.
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Next time try not to be so blatant and clumsy with your dodges and red herrings, it just makes you look not only dishonest but also incompetent.
You know, in the real world and not fantasy land you actually need to back up your nonsense otherwise it is known as an ad hominem. But I guess that would require actual understanding to do so.
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Have you seen the vid on Joe Nickel or are you just going to have contempt prior to investigation? I notice that pretty much no one has addressed the tape and given me their take on it whether it be right on, flawed or outright ludicrious.

Please give me your take on it.
 
jakesteele said:
Have you seen the vid on Joe Nickel or are you just going to have contempt prior to investigation? I notice that pretty much no one has addressed the tape and given me their take on it whether it be right on, flawed or outright ludicrious.

Please give me your take on it.
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OK. I will. You are right. Nickel is wrong.

However, there is no unequivocal evidence of any "visitors from outer space".
 
To expand, expound and build on the list of possible explanations for UFO sightings, I've started with jake steele's fine list, and added a few of my own, minus the over-generalization catch-all of "anything I might have missed" in hopes that others will continue to add their own reasonable, rational and logical (or instructively absurd) possibilities:

1. Atmospheric/weather phenomena, including enhanced perception of moon or stars, and streak lightning

2. Ball (as opposed to streak) lightning

3. Meteors and their variations:

a. Meteorites

b. Fireballs

c. Bolides

d. Meteoric dust

e. Ionization trails

4. Hallucinations (a known and documented human experience owing to neurological and psychological conditions leading to perceptual distortion)

5. Intentional fraud

6. Weather balloons

7. Flares

8. Birds

9. Sprites (near infra-red electrical signatures which occur above stormclouds during lightning events)

10. Burning oil rigs seen at a distance by pilots inside aircraft (eg the Mexico pilot footage)

11. Burning structures atop distant hills seen at night (where the hill is as black as the background, imbuing the fire with a "floating" effect)

12. Dust or ice particles on the camera lens

13. Gradual and accidental memory embellishment, aka the known and documented impermanence of human memory

14. Experimental military aircraft, the secrets of which the armed forces (of any nation) would be reluctant to disclose

15. Standard aircraft, flying in formation

16. Swamp gas

17. Any combination of the preceding categories

18. Alien visitation

19. Supernatural deities

20. Dragons

What else have we got?

ETA: 21. Debris from derelict satellites

22. Satellites themselves
 
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jakesteele said:
The thread isn't about UFOs, witches or bad mayonaise. It's about objective skepticism as opposed to subjective skepticism.
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The title reads: "UFOs: A possible explanation". I don't see levitation and skepticism. Start your own thread if you want to go there. Otherwise, stay on topic. Still waiting for you to show me how all UFO explanations fit nicely into 10-15 cookie cutter explanations. Unless you use, "Anything not mentioned", then you can't say this is the case. If you use "Anything not mentioned", then you blow your claim because it means that anything (i.e. an infinite number of possibilities) can be used to explain a UFO sighting.
 
jakesteele said:
Here's another well respected scientist who was much more involved in the UFO controversy:

Hynek, J. Allen (1910-1986)
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That is funny. Other than UFOs, what is Hynek's great claim to fame? What did he do that was so earth shattering? What were his astronomical discoveries and theories? If you really want to know about the real Dr. Hynek, you might want to read Quintanella's opinion on him.

http://www.ufologie.net/doc/quintanilla.pdf

Start with page 66. I know this is an AF officer's opinion but it sort of indicates how Hynek conducted himself. It was amazing how Hynek stuck people in the back and tried to manipulate congress so he could head a future UFO research program. Luckily, Dr. Condon shot him down with his report and Hynek was left to wallow in obscurity.


Feynman won the nobel prize, which is pretty good. The rest of his accomplishments are listed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Feynman

Once again, I suggest you not cut and paste from other websites without giving credit to the source.
 
Vortigern99 said:
To expand, expound and build on the list of possible explanations for UFO sightings, I've started with jake steele's fine list, and added a few of my own, minus the over-generalization catch-all of "anything I might have missed" in hopes that others will continue to add their own reasonable, rational and logical (or instructively absurd) possibilities:

1. Atmospheric/weather phenomena, including enhanced perception of moon or stars, and streak lightning

2. Ball (as opposed to streak) lightning

3. Meteors and their variations:

a. Meteorites

b. Fireballs

c. Bolides

d. Meteoric dust

e. Ionization trails

4. Hallucinations (a known and documented human experience owing to neurological and psychological conditions leading to perceptual distortion)

5. Intentional fraud

6. Weather balloons

7. Flares

8. Birds

9. Sprites (near infra-red electrical signatures which occur above stormclouds during lightning events)

10. Burning oil rigs seen at a distance by pilots inside aircraft (eg the Mexico pilot footage)

11. Burning structures atop distant hills seen at night (where the hill is as black as the background, imbuing the fire with a "floating" effect)

12. Dust or ice particles on the camera lens

13. Gradual and accidental memory embellishment, aka the known and documented impermanence of human memory

14. Experimental military aircraft, the secrets of which the armed forces (of any nation) would be reluctant to disclose

15. Standard aircraft, flying in formation

16. Swamp gas

17. Any combination of the preceding categories

18. Alien visitation

19. Supernatural deities

20. Dragons

What else have we got?

ETA: 21. Debris from derelict satellites

22. Satellites themselves
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Car lights and flash lights in the hills (see Condon), singular aircraft lights, reflections of lights off of structures (skeptiblog had this one a month or so ago), the moon (yes the moon - I have read cases with the moon as the source), kites with lights, chinese lanterns, balloons with flares/lights, I probably should go to Hendry's "UFO handbook" for all of his IFOs. There are so many possibilities and not 10-15 as somebody keeps stating.
 
Astrophotographer said:
Car lights and flash lights in the hills (see Condon), singular aircraft lights, reflections of lights off of structures (skeptiblog had this one a month or so ago), the moon (yes the moon - I have read cases with the moon as the source), kites with lights, chinese lanterns, balloons with flares/lights, I probably should go to Hendry's "UFO handbook" for all of his IFOs. There are so many possibilities and not 10-15 as somebody keeps stating.
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Will-o-wisps, Plasma, Deionized crystals?
 
Vortigern99 said:
What else have we got?
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Chinese sky lanterns
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Advertising blimps
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:p
 
Hendry's UFO handbook has quite a few IFOs and breaks them down between night IFOs and Day IFOs.

The night IFOs (1,024 reports) (page 24)

Stars and Planets 360 reports
Ad planes 230 reports
aircraft 196 reports
meteors and re-entries 113 reports
Satellites 24 reports
Moon 22 reports
Prank balloons 14 reports
searchlights 11 reports
balloons 9 reports
missile launches 9 reports
fixed ground lights 7 reports
flares 6 reports
birds 5 reports
kites 5 reports
clouds 4 reports
test clouds (i.e. barium releases) 4 reports
airborne residue 2 reports
mirage 1 report
moondog 1 report
window reflection 1 report

Daytime IFOs (p. 57) 71 reports

weather balloons 35 reports (includes research balloons)
aircraft 22 reports
meteors 5 reports
Venus 2 reports (it can be seen in daytime)
lenticular clouds 1 report
clouds 1 report
birds 1 report
sunrise effects 1 report
power line fixtures 1 report
visual disorders 1 report
kite wire 1 report

Hendry was an investigator for the Center for UFO studies and his book is most revealing. He was not using "cookie cutter" explanations. It was written in the late 1970s and many of the IFOs have changed over the years. I think satellites are more frequent (esp with ISS and iridium) and ad planes are less frequent these days (although blimps seem to replace them).
 
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Astrophotographer said:
Hendry's UFO handbook has quite a few IFOs and breaks them down between night IFOs and Day IFOs.

The night IFOs (1,024 reports) (page 24)

Stars and Planets 360 reports
Ad planes 230 reports
aircraft 196 reports
meteors and re-entries 113 reports
Satellites 24 reports
Moon 22 reports
Prank balloons 14 reports
searchlights 11 reports
balloons 9 reports
missile launches 9 reports
fixed ground lights 7 reports
flares 6 reports
birds 5 reports
kites 5 reports
clouds 4 reports
test clouds (i.e. barium releases) 4 reports
airborne residue 2 reports
mirage 1 report
moondog 1 report
window reflection 1 report

Daytime IFOs (p. 57) 71 reports

weather balloons 35 reports (includes research balloons)
aircraft 22 reports
meteors 5 reports
Venus 2 reports (it can be seen in daytime)
lenticular clouds 1 report
clouds 1 report
birds 1 report
sunrise effects 1 report
power line fixtures 1 report
visual disorders 1 report
kite wire 1 report

Hendry was an investigator for the Center for UFO studies and his book is most revealing. He was not using "cookie cutter" explanations. It was written in the late 1970s and many of the IFOs have changed over the years. I think satellites are more frequent (esp with ISS and iridium) and ad planes are less frequent these days (although blimps seem to replace them).
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You can not tell what each person saw by their testimony alone. No one was there with video to verify what each individual saw. Heck, An apparent alien case could be a weather balloon, and a ball lightning case could be a real alien
 
Marduk said:
in that case and as you clealy don't know what youre talking about when it comes to ancient history please provide the images which are confusing you and i'll tell you what they are
:D

btw you do realise that the one constant in the ancient world no matter what culture is that all the Gods lived on mountains and that "heaven" was always depicted as the peak of the mountain, think Mt Olympus, Mt Meru, Mt Sumeru Mt Bkhu, Mt Manu, Asgard, The cosmic mountain etc etc etc. The other constant is that people thought that the world was a disc surrounded by a bubble of air and suspended in liquid, what part of that belief makes you think anyone knew what outer space was, I mean. didn't you ever wonder why the Egyptians really regularly portrayed the sun god on a sailing ship?
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Doesn't "heavens" almost universally translate to "sky"?

Not as in other worldly, just up in the air...

http://www.ufoartwork.com/

AD images, #16

That we see the same type/kind of images throughout time, means what?

That ALL Men are subject to the SAME delusion?
 
King of the Americas said:
Doesn't "heavens" almost universally translate to "sky"?

Not as in other worldly, just up in the air...

http://www.ufoartwork.com/

AD images, #16

That we see the same type/kind of images throughout time, means what?

That ALL Men are subject to the SAME delusion?
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To add to King: If our ancestors were seeing Alien spaceships thousands of years ago, why do their depictions include dragons and chariots, but not a single Metallic, triangle/oval shaped craft?
 
makaya325 said:
To add to King: If our ancestors were seeing Alien spaceships thousands of years ago, why do their depictions include dragons and chariots, but not a single Metallic, triangle/oval shaped craft?
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Not a 'single' "metallic, triangle/oval shaped craft"...?

Did you even glance at the link I provided???
 
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