Merged UFO @ Jerusalem, 2011. Call Captain-D

Bell said:
How do we know those persons are not threatened to say so by Martians with death rays?
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Well, if the video is from a poor country like Israel, which can't afford CCTV cameras, then they wouldn't be actors, because nobody could afford to pay them, unless there's gasping because that's generic and doesn't cost anything. But if the video is from Haiti, and isn't Video 1, then they're genuine actors, unless Stray Cat has debunked Video 4, and it's Tuesday, in which case yeah, Martian death rays would be the only possible explanation.
 
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kageki said:
I'm not necessarily switching the burden.
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Yes you are.

kageki said:
I did raise a question regarding the people in video 1 which I would be fine as saying it's inconclusive.
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Have you taken any steps to positively identify the people in the video?
Have you done any background work on the relationships, occupations, histories of the people involved in filming it, or those who first uploaded it to the internet?
In fact have you done any work at all or are you just happy to be lazy and expect other people to give you all the answers?

kageki said:
I can't offer any more explanation at this point nor am I trying to make a case that it's necessarily genuine. I just haven't found the debunking explanation to be convincing. That is all.
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Then perhaps you can tell us which debunking explanation(s) you have read, that have left you unconvinced.
 
Stray Cat said:
Then as you know it's a hoax, it seems like you would just want to waste my time by having me write up my analysis of why it is a hoax.
What a strange person you are.


Because no one has come forward to show they are genuine.
There is zero evidence pointing towards them being genuine and an increasing picture of errors (technical and circumstantial) which would lead any critical thinker to the concluson that we are looking at a fake.
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You posted this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqzeed-Iv5E&feature=player_embedded

I was wondering if you can explain how it is cgi in this video or the Haiti video. Since you can't then I'm just saying that this video doesn't help in the argument either way.
 
Stray Cat said:
Yes you are.


Have you taken any steps to positively identify the people in the video?
Have you done any background work on the relationships, occupations, histories of the people involved in filming it, or those who first uploaded it to the internet?
In fact have you done any work at all or are you just happy to be lazy and expect other people to give you all the answers?


Then perhaps you can tell us which debunking explanation(s) you have read, that have left you unconvinced.
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Have you done the same things you have asked? Probably not.

This guy is one of the uploader:
http://www.youtube.com/user/eligael

Here's a comment from the video:
http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=zQ-bNOy_CKQ

It's a hoax and I'll tell you why:

I am a professional video director/editor so I know this for sure.

when you freeze the image on the first 'light burst' 0:55 you can obviously see an alteration in the brightness/contrast of the image frame, it looks like 'washed out' blacks, so it's grey, giving the idea of the night being illuminated. But this is physically impossible, not even a big explosion would create this magnitude of light intensification, and if it was real..
lordazmodeus
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Well ok that does it I guess. It's fake. Great job with the acting too. That was a really nice touch.
 
kageki said:
I was wondering if you can explain how it is cgi in this video or the Haiti video. Since you can't then I'm just saying that this video doesn't help in the argument either way.
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I can explain features within all the Jerusalem videos that are exactly what you would expect to find in a piece of cgi footage and which would be highly unlikely to be found in genuine footage. But there is no point in doing so as the work has already been published on the internet by other people. As I haven't actually found anything that is unique to my own investigations, I am not prepared to simply repeat other people's work here for your benefit.

I still don't understand the relevance of the Haiti UFO footage needing to be explained. That information is already available on the web too. In great detail showing the exact same 'sample' palm tree that was used. It really is like you'd need an explanation of how Harry Potter flies on a broom stick to play Quidditch even though you know it's it's SFX.
 
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Ugh.

I should have known it would be a mistake to bring up the Haiti UFO hoax, but I assumed that someone who was speaking so knowingly about UFO hoaxes and what is and isn't possible would have been aware of it.

Quick proof--here and here. Lots more online if you just Google.
 
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kageki said:
Have you done the same things you have asked? Probably not.
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Yes I have.
Oddly enough no one concerned has answered my emails.

kageki said:
This guy is one of the uploader:
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Yes, it's quite unastounding isn't it. No content for over 3 years and then...

I wonder how much money he's made out of it now.

kageki said:
Well ok that does it I guess. It's fake. Great job with the acting too. That was a really nice touch.
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Yes, YouTube comments is the place to get all the detailed explanations from all the 'experts' isn't it. :rolleyes:
 
AdMan said:
Ugh.

I should have known it would be a mistake to bring up the Haiti UFO hoax, but I assumed that someone who was speaking so knowingly about UFO hoaxes and what is and isn't possible would have been aware of it.

Quick proof--here and here. Lots more online if you just Google.
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That's the really odd thing. He's even posted the link to the Rense article where the guy confessed to hoaxing it. He's just wasting everyone's time.

http://www.rense.com/general77/haiti.htm
 
This is the one I actually had in mind when I was looking for a UFO hoax video with actors (supposedly shot from a Spanish fishing boat):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geiZ61rRLmI

This went viral and was accepted as real by many, along with several videos also supposedly shot in Spain around this time.

kageki, before you go start questioning whether this is a hoax or not, take a look at this (in Spanish, but you'll get the gist):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MBVGb230sw
 
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AdMan said:
This is the one I actually had in mind when I was looking for a UFO hoax video with actors:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geiZ61rRLmI

This went viral and was accepted as real by many, along with several videos also supposedly shot in Spain around this time.

kageki, before you go start questioning whether this is a hoax or not, take a look at this (in Spanish, but you'll get the gist):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MBVGb230sw
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I already offered him both of those earlier. :)
 
Stray Cat said:
I can explain features within all the Jerusalem videos that are exactly what you would expect to find in a piece of cgi footage and which would be highly unlikely to be found in genuine footage. But there is no point in doing so as the work has already been published on the internet by other people. As I haven't actually found anything that is unique to my own investigations, I am not prepared to simply repeat other people's work here for your benefit.

I still don't understand the relevance of the Haiti UFO footage needing to be explained. That information is already available on the web too. In great detail showing the exact same 'sample' palm tree that was used. It really is like you'd need an explanation of how Harry Potter flies on a broom stick to play Quidditch even though you know it's it's SFX.
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You can certainly link things such as this video you posted:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqzeed-Iv5E&feature=player_embedded

What was the point of this video?
 
Stray Cat said:
Yes I have.
Oddly enough no one concerned has answered my emails.


Yes, it's quite unastounding isn't it. No content for over 3 years and then...

I wonder how much money he's made out of it now.


Yes, YouTube comments is the place to get all the detailed explanations from all the 'experts' isn't it. :rolleyes:
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No I don't think it's anything strange that someone hasn't uploaded any content in 3 years. There's plenty of users that don't upload any content. How would this guy be making money?

I suppose this forum is? :D Are you saying that explanation has no validity at all?
 
Stray Cat said:
No problem :)
Maybe he'll acknowledge your post, he seems to have skipped mine.


Looks like ostrich avoidance to me.
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I did want to reply, but you posted a couple.

The Galicia video for acting was a good example, but I don't know what was being said. Was the talking even related to ufo or just random banter? Was the ufo in that video cgi?
 
kageki said:
The Galicia video for acting was a good example, but I don't know what was being said. Was the talking even related to ufo or just random banter? Was the ufo in that video cgi?
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Yes, the dialogue was related to the UFO they were supposedly looking at. They are actors, reading lines.

And yes, of course the UFO was CGI. Did you watch the 'making of' video?
 
kageki said:
No I don't think it's anything strange that someone hasn't uploaded any content in 3 years. There's plenty of users that don't upload any content. How would this guy be making money?
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'Pay Per Click' advertising with Google Adsense, a video with over one million views in less than a week could net as much as $10,000 at one cent per click.

kageki said:
I suppose this forum is? :D Are you saying that explanation has no validity at all?
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It's not that the explanation has no validity, it's that anyone simply excepting it because someone says he's a video expert is as credulous as those who just believe the video is genuine.
By the same token I don't expect people to accept my analysis either, but I try to clearly show how I have reached my conclusions and give people the information they would need if they wanted to double check for themselves.
 
kageki said:
Yeah so some people made fake 9/11 videos for fun.
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What you'll find is that some people made 9/11 videos to try to show how it could have all been faked, without taking into account all of the evidence supporting the fact that it wasn't faked. This UFO nonsense is the exact opposite. People have made some explanatory videos to show how it could have been faked because there is no evidence to show it is genuine.
 
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