Merged Two Mosques to be built near Ground Zero

[ShadowSot]

Apparently some folks are trying to move to get a Gay Bar built next to the community center.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/greg-gut...ound-zero-mosque-to-cater-to-islamic-gay-men/
This just seems... childish.

 

[A'isha]

Apparently some folks are trying to move to get a Gay Bar built next to the community center.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/greg-gut...ound-zero-mosque-to-cater-to-islamic-gay-men/
This just seems... childish.

Especially since a) the official response from the group that seeks to build the mosque is "it's a free country, he can build what he wants" and b) there's already three existing gay bars within a tenth of a mile of the proposed site.

 

[bynmdsue]

Exactly how close to Ground Zero are the sites for these Mosques?

It is so far away a piece of landing gear from UA Fl 175 fell thru the roof after crashing thru WTC-2.

So not really close or connected to the day's events at all.

 

[A'isha]

It is so far away a piece of landing gear from UA Fl 175 fell thru the roof after crashing thru WTC-2.

So not really close or connected to the day's events at all.

It's two blocks away from the WTC, at 45-47 Park Place. Here's the location pinpointed on Google Maps. Ground Zero isn't visible from the building at all, because one block over, in between the site and GZ, is a Catholic church. Two blocks in the other direction from the site is a mosque that's been in operation since before the WTC existed.

Right next door, at 43 Park Place, is a bar called Dakota's Roadhouse, whose website's slogan is "where too much is never enough". Apparently buckets of Bud and Bud Light are only $13.00 there all day and all night. No word on whether those booze bargains are to honor the memory of all those so tragically killed nearby on 9/11.

If that's not good enough for you, you can always walk one block up either West Broadway or Church Street, to the next street over, Murray, to one of two strip clubs, your choice of either New York Dolls or Wild West Entertainment. There's also no mention anywhere of any special "9/11 Memorial Lap Dance" nights, but I'm sure that's just an oversight.

 

[bikerdruid]

Especially since a) the official response from the group that seeks to build the mosque is "it's a free country, he can build what he wants" and b) there's already three existing gay bars within a tenth of a mile of the proposed site.

big deal.
how many straight bars does manhattan have?
chances are that a lot of 'christians' will frequet the gay bar too.
who knows?..... maybe even a few muslims.

 

[ShadowSot]

big deal.
how many straight bars does manhattan have?
chances are that a lot of 'christians' will frequet the gay bar too.
who knows?..... maybe even a few muslims.

The point is not that there are gay bars near by, but that the fellow who's getting this one set up is trying to provoke the Islamic folks at the community center.

And it seems to have backfired on him.

I don't care that there's a gay bar there, I just care that this idiot is attempting to provoke these people.

 

[A'isha]

big deal.
how many straight bars does manhattan have?
chances are that a lot of 'christians' will frequet the gay bar too.
who knows?..... maybe even a few muslims.

As ShadowSot noted, the point is that the reaction to this proposed "gotcha" gay bar is "Sure, whatever, knock yourself out" and "We don't have any problems with the gay bars already there, why would yours suddenly bother us?"

Which is, I venture to say, exactly the opposite reaction that this dipstick was hoping to provoke with his lame announcement.

 

[Thunder]

It is so far away a piece of landing gear from UA Fl 175 fell thru the roof after crashing thru WTC-2.

So not really close or connected to the day's events at all.

big freakin' deal. debris fell all over the place.

i got some WTC dust in my lungs, does that make me hallowed ground?

 

[Mister Earl]

i got some WTC dust in my lungs, does that make me hallowed ground?

Just the surfaces you cough on.

 

[Skeptic]

The point is not that there are gay bars near by, but that the fellow who's getting this one set up is trying to provoke the Islamic folks at the community center.

I am pretty sure you cannot open a gay bay next door to the Cordoba center, since it's illegal to open bars or liqueur stores etc. in NYC within a certain distance of a house of worship, and that includes mosques.

 

[Thunder]

I am pretty sure you cannot open a gay bay next door to the Cordoba center, since it's illegal to open bars or liqueur stores etc. in NYC within a certain distance of a house of worship, and that includes mosques.

well...there you go.

 

[A'isha]

I am pretty sure you cannot open a gay bay next door to the Cordoba center, since it's illegal to open bars or liqueur stores etc. in NYC within a certain distance of a house of worship, and that includes mosques.

Do NYC zoning laws apply retroactively? Because, as I noted, there's a bar in the building right next door to the proposed center. Would they be grandfathered in since they were there first?

And what is the distance anyway? The Catholic church, according to Google maps, is literally one block away.

I'm honestly curious...

 

[Skeptic]

Something, I think, People didn't notice about the GZ Mosque

The debate seems to be whether Sheik whatshisface who will head the place is really a moderate, in which case the mosque should go ahead, or if he is really an extremist who wants the mosque as a sign of conquest over the infidels, in which case it should be stopped.

But did it occur to anybody that this is all besides the point? Freedom of worship and speech means that he has a right to build the mosque even if he openly declares that he wants it as a sign of 9/11's glorious victory over the infidels.

Heck, I have the right to build a shrine to Satan there, with a big sign saying "Welcome to hell!" with a name list of all the victims of 9/11 (none of them believed in the exact correct religion, you see).

Both would be deeply offensive and disgusting, but not illegal. Once you start banning religious worship that hurts people's feeling... I don't need to complete that sentence, I'm sure.

Will the Islamists see this as a sign of victory over the weak and pathetic infidels? Of course they will. So? They will see banning the mosque as a sign of the prosecution of the innocent Muslims by infidels, too.

If the Sheik deliberately wants to offend, then you can offend him back. Open a strip club staffed only by Muslim women next doors. Organize a Muslim gay pride parade outside the mosque. Etc.

I recommend no such action and am not saying the Sheik is trying to deliberately offend. I am merely saying that once you allow him to not offend, you, too, will be next in the line to be muzzled so as to not offend somebody else's feelings.

Since when are somebody's hurt feelings the limit of other people's constitutional rights?

 

[The Charnel Expanse]

He is a moderate, so it's a moot point.

 

[Lurker]

I agree with you Skpetic. I don't care if the guy is a moderate or an islamic militant (assuming he breaks no laws). He can build his Cordoba house there, heck he can build it on Ground Zero itself if he owned the land.

People have a right to build on their property (obeying zoning laws). If other people don't like it, feel free to protest, picket and so on. Just don't try to influence the government to act unconstitutionally.

 

[Juniversal]

Read the New Testament; it's clear on both issues (shellfish fine, homosexuality not fine).

i have had this argument with 'christians many times.
i am told that the old laws were cancelled by jesus, but since paul also condemned queers, that they are still an 'abomination'.

Odd that the all powerful would change his mind like that. Sacrificed his own son so we could eat shell fish. Such a nice guy.

 

[BibleWelt]

Thank you. This is exactly what I've been saying to some friends of mine. They seem shocked and want to continue trying to convince me it's a Muslim tradition to build "Victory Mosques". I reply "I believe you. So what?" and they just continue trying to convince me of what I've already told them I accept as true.

 

[A'isha]

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:17-19)

Hmm...I think the Big J might want to have a few words with Paul...

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

He is a moderate, so it's a moot point.

Not really. Are you saying that if he weren't a moderate he doesn't get First Amendment rights?

I think that's the point Skeptic is making, and it's a good one.

Freedom of religion that only pertains to religions that the religious majority approves of is not freedom of religion. Similarly, freedom of speech that only allows you to agree with majority opinion is not really freedom of speech.

We touched on this same point in the existing thread on this topic.

 

[The Charnel Expanse]

Not really. Are you saying that if he weren't a moderate he doesn't get First Amendment rights?

No, I'm saying that in this particular case it's a moot point.

Besides, isn't that Revolution Muslim group based out of Manhattan?