Merged Two Mosques to be built near Ground Zero

Travis said:
The idiot bigots that oppose the mosque keep harping about how it is insensitive to context. Well I think context is always important.
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Heh. My feeling too.

All the descriptions of a "13 story mosque" that is inevitably described as "towering" in triumph over the infidels.

Yeah, a 13 story building sure "towers" over all those other buildings in lower Manhattan... is it even possible to find a lower building in that area?
 
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BAC described it as "overlooking" ground zero. From the pictures I've seen the only thing it overlooks is the gutter out front.
 
nchammer326 said:
Rauf is a Sufi.
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Sufism is a mystic tradition. The basic tennet of Sufism is that there is no reality but God.

They are about as militant as Christian Scientists. They will talk your ear off if you give them a chance, maybe have some very interesting philsophical points to ponder, but they are unlikely to whomp you over the head if you don't choose to listen.
 
I heard today that this decision has split the Democratic party. Most are against the idea.
This has the potential to make Obama a one term president.
 
Skeptic said:
But can you imagine, say, a US president (even if he weren't Black...) just happening to attend a conference where the KKK and the Aryan Nations also send representatives? Of regularly meeting with people who are openly KKK supporters?
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That made me think of this. The CCC is not as bad as the KKK in terms of actions, but about as bad in terms of ideas. I don't know if this is really on point or not, but it just made me think of it. I'm not trying to argue your point, just putting a link here.

amb said:
I heard today that this decision has split the Democratic party. Most are against the idea.
This has the potential to make Obama a one term president.
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Color me skeptical. "I prefer Obama to the Republican nominee on most issues, but I remember two years ago he took a position I disagreed with on a local land-use issue in Manhattan. Guess I'm going Republican this year."
 
amb said:
I heard today that this decision has split the Democratic party. Most are against the idea.
This has the potential to make Obama a one term president.
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Nah. This might have some effect on the midterm elections, but I can't see this issue lasting for two years. By the time 2012 rolls around, people will have either gotten over it or (more likely) forgotten all about it and moved on to the next manufactured controversy.
 
What would be the chances of building a chapel in say, downtown Mecca?
 
Zero. I think America should strive to be more tolerant thant Saudi Arabia, though. That may be why America protects the freedoms of religion and peaceable assembly and Saudi Arabia doesn't.

There's a reason "tu quoque" is considered a fallacy.
 
amb said:
What would be the chances of building a chapel in say, downtown Mecca?
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are you saying the liberal Democracy known as the United States of America, should live by Islamic dictatorship Saudi monarch standards?

I find it repulsive when folks who live in Western societies make such remarks.
 
amb said:
What would be the chances of building a chapel in say, downtown Mecca?
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How is that remotely relevant? Saudi Arabia makes no pretense of supporting the free exercise of religion. We do.

I'd prefer to live up to our standards than to stoop down to theirs.
 
Cleon said:
How is that remotely relevant? Saudi Arabia makes no pretense of supporting the free exercise of religion. We do.

I'd prefer to live up to our standards than to stoop down to theirs.
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What, are you saying that when you stop to consider how the United States of America should live up to the principles of freedom enshrined in our Constitution, you don't look towards an oppressive theocratic monarchy for guidance?
 
ANTPogo said:
What, are you saying that when you stop to consider how the United States of America should live up to the principles of freedom enshrined in our Constitution, you don't look towards an oppressive theocratic monarchy for guidance?
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And that's why they call me a communist. ;)
 
And there Newt Gingrich Godwinned the debate, comparing it to the Nazis not having the right to put op a sign next to the Holocaust Museum in Washington. Of course a mosque TWO blocks away from Ground Zero is exactly the same :rolleyes:
 
I'm personally of the opinion that they should be allowed to build, but are stupid for wanting to do so in the face of opposition - that's really going to build goodwill, isn't it? What I find interesting is that the Greek Orthodox church that previously existed next to ground zero (and was destroyed) has not been allowed to rebuild by the NY Port Authority, and there is no outrage.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/19/nyregion/19church.html?_r=1
The tiny St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church is once again at the forefront of the myriad disputes that plague the rebuilding effort at ground zero.

The fate of the church, a narrow whitewashed building that was crushed in the attack on the World Trade Center, was supposed to have been settled eight months ago, with a tentative agreement in which the church would swap its land for a grander church building on a larger parcel nearby, with a $20 million subsidy from the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. This would have allowed work to begin at the south end of the site.
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MikeMangum said:
I'm personally of the opinion that they should be allowed to build, but are stupid for wanting to do so in the face of opposition - that's really going to build goodwill, isn't it?
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This is called "blaming the victim."

Would you chide a black community for building a church in rural Alabama in the 60s? Or would that be "stupid" because they're not building "goodwill" with their racist neighbors?
 
Random facebook comment:
"To be fair, we've been building ground zeros right next to mosques in Iraq since March 2003"
 
MikeMangum said:
I'm personally of the opinion that they should be allowed to build, but are stupid for wanting to do so in the face of opposition - that's really going to build goodwill, isn't it?
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I'm sure it really bugged the Gentile community, back when Jews dared to build Synagogues in New Amsterdam, back in 1647.

Maybe we Jews shouldn't have been soo darn disruptive, and should have just stayed in our place. Building Synagogues can really offend anti-Semites, ya know.
 
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